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Oct 18, 2009 8:15 AM
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Good episode, it was actually thoughtful. Damn that mobile armour really is awesome, too bad it's from the bad guys xD
Jan 6, 2010 3:38 PM
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katz got what he deserved thinking with his balls and not his head,you don't let prisoners out of the cells without permission, no matter how cute
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May 11, 2010 2:56 PM
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What a cop-out way to end a fight. A blind-spot? How? All other suits with 360 monitors can see below what is the deal with this one? Even the specs on MAHQ.net don't say anything about this. Did i miss his camera(s) getting damaged? Somebody explain. EXPLAIN! Yazan should have wiped the floor with the AEUG!
Jul 29, 2010 5:36 AM
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And thats why you shouldn't have adolescent boys in the military...
Aug 1, 2010 1:43 PM
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At least she told the Hijack's weakpoint~
Aug 3, 2010 2:29 PM
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Heh, Katz got played like a piano. He needs to get his act together.
Aug 17, 2010 1:16 AM
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In Katz's defense...both Amuro and Kamille have both done similar things.
xD
Apr 8, 2011 12:58 AM
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"Is it really so wrong for me to trust people?"
Well, Katz, when they are enemy spies, the answer is yes.
Shoulda let the Zeons blow your dumb ass up.
Jul 26, 2011 6:30 AM
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I was cringing the whole episode from the moment Katz was hanging around the meeting room, even before he saw Sarah. And when Kamille gave him the keys, my face went straight down towards my desk.
Apr 27, 2013 1:35 PM
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K-Reils said:
"Is it really so wrong for me to trust people?"
Well, Katz, when they are enemy spies, the answer is yes.
Shoulda let the Zeons blow your dumb ass up.

He actually said: 「人間って。。。そんなに信じられないのか。。。?」. Translated, it means something along the lines of, "Are humans really that difficult to trust?" "Are humans really that untrustworthy?"

So while I do agree that either way he should have known better, the nuance of what he actually said conveys a different meaning than what you have believed: rather than questioning if it's so wrong for himself to trust others, he's questioning if humans in general are liars and backstabbers.
May 17, 2013 3:50 PM

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inan said:
K-Reils said:
"Is it really so wrong for me to trust people?"
Well, Katz, when they are enemy spies, the answer is yes.
Shoulda let the Zeons blow your dumb ass up.

He actually said: 「人間って。。。そんなに信じられないのか。。。?」. Translated, it means something along the lines of, "Are humans really that difficult to trust?" "Are humans really that untrustworthy?"

So while I do agree that either way he should have known better, the nuance of what he actually said conveys a different meaning than what you have believed: rather than questioning if it's so wrong for himself to trust others, he's questioning if humans in general are liars and backstabbers.


Gotta love inadequate translations. Katz is getting to experience the real world in which, yes, man's heart is very dark. Even though her flirtation was sooo fake and sudden, Sarah claimed that everything she said was true. Unless she was deceiving Katz again (without any real reason except maybe out of sympathy), I believed her when she said that. Even so, she would backstab him for her side. Good spy. :D

Very good episode, though. Even though Katz is an easily influenced adolescent boy who did something stupid, it was still somewhat poignant.
Nov 2, 2013 9:56 PM

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I really hate Katz
Nov 10, 2013 4:13 PM

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If this were a bit more realistic series, Katz would be getting his head knocked off from his body. Good for Katz that this isn't, he just gets some brig time. I wonder if they threw him into the same room where they kept Sahrah?
Jan 8, 2014 9:10 PM

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I'm getting real tired of Katz's shit
Feb 2, 2014 12:06 AM
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I'm getting real tired of Katz's shit
Feb 3, 2014 10:33 PM
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Fuck you Katz. What's with all these goddamn kids in Gundam shows ruining things?
Feb 18, 2014 12:37 AM

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I can't believe Katz fell for all of that even after Kamille warned him. How more obvious did she need to be?

I am disappoint with Katz and all these stupid males with their inability to think with the right head.
Mar 6, 2014 6:33 AM

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KATZ YOU IDIOT

I hate these "Gundam kids" who have nothing better to do than fail around.
Mar 19, 2014 9:53 AM

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This getting taken by a false spy does always happen in Gundam, and usually with male adolescents who lose all semblance of reason when seeing a member of the opposite sex. On the other hand there have been many deflections, so its a bit more understandable to think you may be gaining a new member. Nonetheless the precautions taken to prevent what just happened are laughable. Normally escaping from an enemy ship would not be so easy, yet in Gundam world its like taking a stroll in the park.
Jul 6, 2014 6:17 PM

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Another amazing episode!!

It's obvious that Sarah girl is a spy. I'm glad Kamille has his guard up at all times.

And wtf is Katz doing?!?! Seriously last episode it was Fa and now Katz. The moment He opened the door from Sarah, i really REALLY wanted to slap and beat the shit out of Katz. Now i know why "Bright Slapping" people will change them.

Don't know why Fa is being jealous of Kamille, then again Kamille is a playboy though XD

Glad nothing bad happened here, Katz should be slap once again just to make sure he doesn't do that again.

I can't wait for the next episode! Want to see Char or even Amuro!!!
Jul 12, 2014 7:04 AM

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This is why we can't have nice things. Someone needs to take all these immature kids to the captain so they can finally get the Brighto thrashing they deserve.

PS: of course all the Cyber Newtypes are emotionally unstable and of course they're all women (bar Scirocco). Really, Zeta? I know this is the 80's, but come on.
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Jan 31, 2015 7:53 PM

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Katz is so incompetent. He has done nothing but prove that he's good at only fucking up.
Aug 25, 2015 5:03 PM
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I was cringing the whole episode from the moment Katz was hanging around the meeting room, even before he saw Sarah. And when Kamille gave him the keys, my face went straight down towards my desk.

Same man. When he gave him the key I was face-palming so hard while asking why.
Sep 5, 2015 3:47 PM

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Well Katz acted like an idiot, just like nearly every other adolescent male on this show has been at some point or another. Why did Kamille give him keys in the first place? He and the others should have known better.

This is the earliest instance of a colony drop that I'm aware of. That's a pretty crazy strategy.


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This is why we can't have nice things. Someone needs to take all these immature kids to the captain so they can finally get the Brighto trashing they deserve.

Agreed. xD

Sapewloth said:
PS: of course all the Cyber Newtypes are emotionally unstable and of course they're all women (bar Scirocco). Really, Zeta? I know this is the 80's, but come on.

I was actually thinking before that it seemed like the show was implying that women were more likely to become Newtypes, but I hadn't connected that to the emotional instability of Cyber Newtypes. You have a point.
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TripleSRank said:
Sapewloth said:
PS: of course all the Cyber Newtypes are emotionally unstable and of course they're all women (bar Scirocco). Really, Zeta? I know this is the 80's, but come on.

I was actually thinking before that it seemed like the show was implying that women were more likely to become Newtypes, but I hadn't connected that to the emotional instability of Cyber Newtypes. You have a point.


#justtominothings

it's funny because the one cyber-newtype who isn't bat shit insane is a dude
Sep 7, 2015 12:38 AM

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Since we're all quoting it:
Sapewloth said:
PS: of course all the Cyber Newtypes are emotionally unstable and of course they're all women (bar Scirocco). Really, Zeta? I know this is the 80's, but come on.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Scirocco is a cyber-Newtype.

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This is the earliest instance of a colony drop that I'm aware of. That's a pretty crazy strategy.
In Zeta, you mean? Zeon did infamously manage one early on during the One Year War, after all.
Mar 20, 2016 5:33 PM
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I liked the first half of the episode better than the second, I enjoy seeing the human moments in between the big action. Overall the fights are getti a little stagnant, hope they spice them up soon as they're what about a third of each episode is made up of.
Apr 20, 2016 9:38 AM

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A colony drop is always nice when you run out of idea. But what is going on among the military behind the scene sounds quite interesting. (undermining the authority of another high rank...)

Katz... no matter how much he is scolded, he will keep acting stupidly! I wonder how it would have turned out if another of the trio came in his place. (ex:Kika)
Miharu, at least, had a reason and did redeem herself before she died. Here, I hardly understand Sara's actions: what could she discover? Why did she give up such an important industrial information? Why is this manufacturing problem appearing suddenly like this? (ok, the last one has more to do with some writer's laziness)


3.5/5
Jun 2, 2016 10:44 PM

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@Rei366

Sarah is on Scirocco's side, not Jamaican's, and her mission was to make sure the colony drop would fail. That is why Kamille asked her how the success of that plan would inconvenience Scirocco. Remember that Scirocco himself made it clear that he has a secret agenda and that he isn't on the Titans' side.

Sarah's mission succeeded, but I don't understand why she accepted it in the first place. I mean, how was she supposed to escape if Katz wasn't a retard?
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@Lease_of_Life Stupid mistake on my part, I had probably not that in mind anymore. ^^" Thank you.

How could Sarah not accept a mission for Scirocco? A guru can make his followers endanger themselves.
Jun 2, 2016 11:14 PM

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By the way, while Fa's legs are a sight to behold...



...her hands are decidedly less sexy.
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"I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this.

"Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal

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Nov 5, 2016 7:04 AM

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Another episode useful for the growth of the characters, interesting that this calculation does not result only Kamille, but there are also Emma and Reccoa. Yet another quite addictive battle, this time not Kamille to be the prima donna, there can stare.Disegni and animations, sufficient.
Nov 7, 2016 4:02 PM

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Very good episode!
Though i am a bit confused, is Sarah dead?
Nov 23, 2016 3:16 PM
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Wow Katz, you let a Titan girl out of the cell before anyone knew she could be trusted, for all you know she could be a spy. I preferred you back when you were a kid on the White Base you should have stayed on Earth!😡
Mar 1, 2017 8:02 AM

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As expected that she would betray him... but well I do now wonder when they'll face each other on the battlefield!
Jan 19, 2018 2:20 PM

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Katz needs to spend the rest of the remaining episodes in solitary confinement for his foolish act(s) *Sigh*

On a side note:
I thought that Emma was going to bite the dust with all of those flags, glad I was wrong.
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I'm honestly trying to think what good Katz has done. He has caused so many problems that I don't think there is a way he could help that will result in a net positive effect.

Kamille Bidan Kill Count:
0 Kills this episode
35 Kills total
Sep 17, 2018 7:23 AM

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Yesterday was Fa, and today was Katz's turn to do something stupid ...
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smh katz is stupid lol seems like every new girl that shows up he wants them first it was the girl thats with armuro and now this girl smh

katz is very annoying ever since he showed up again
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The scene of Yazan and Kamille fighting (specifically when only their colored faces were shown) reminded me of a certain scene from JJBA Battle Tendency anime :D

I liked seeing people drink tea and talk in the first half of the episode.
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Can't believe how horny Katz was, lmao. Like, I was already questioning the way he let Sarah get close to him when bringing her the suit, but actually getting her out of prison was really cringe-inducing. What a dumbass.

Had to laugh at one character being named "Tripper", which is gonorrhea in German.

The Emma/Bekkener thing is kinda cute at least. I doubt she'll ever answer his advances properly, but it's funny seeing him care about her so much. Though maybe the proposal thing goes somewhere, dunno.

A mobile suit that can't see below is pretty dumb by the way. No matter if it's rushed out or not.
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So their break room in the Radish has a futuristic fortune-telling machine? Lol.


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Why is no one on the Argama taking any sort of authority whatsoever rather than just letting inept morons like Katz and Fa run free to endanger them at every turn? It was so blatantly obvious from the first second that Sarah was a spy and was going to betray them from the inside if given the chance, so of course we need Katz to be too dumb and horny to notice so she can escape and accomplish her goals.

Seriously, Bright, do your damn job as commanding officer and stop these stupid kids from screwing things up at every turn: you'd think he'd be better-prepared for that after dealing with similar on White Base all those years ago, but apparently not.
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The Emma/Bekkener thing is kinda cute at least. I doubt she'll ever answer his advances properly, but it's funny seeing him care about her so much. Though maybe the proposal thing goes somewhere, dunno.


Is it just me or Emma seems kind of embarassed when it comes to love? Well maybe she doesn't like the captain but still...

I agree with Katz in thinking that Sarah is actually cute, but yeah making her escape is too lame. Bright from the first series would be pissed as hell, here he is always forgiving the kids. Not sure why
Aug 25, 2023 2:53 PM

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katz, what have you done...
''Touch the darkness inside me''
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Well Katz acted like an idiot, just like nearly every other adolescent male on this show has been at some point or another. Why did Kamille give him keys in the first place? He and the others should have known better.

This is the earliest instance of a colony drop that I'm aware of. That's a pretty crazy strategy.


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This is why we can't have nice things. Someone needs to take all these immature kids to the captain so they can finally get the Brighto trashing they deserve.

Agreed. xD

Sapewloth said:
PS: of course all the Cyber Newtypes are emotionally unstable and of course they're all women (bar Scirocco). Really, Zeta? I know this is the 80's, but come on.

I was actually thinking before that it seemed like the show was implying that women were more likely to become Newtypes, but I hadn't connected that to the emotional instability of Cyber Newtypes. You have a point.
@TripleSRank While Colony drops arent discussed in that show, the Hatte colony drop is shown in episode 1 of the original Gundam.
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It does get frustrating how every other episode one of the adolescent characters disobeys orders and/or makes a stupid decision that puts everyone in danger, and there's never any consequences for it. It's no small wonder that the AEUG haven't lost due to all this incompetence.
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