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Apr 28, 2010 3:59 AM
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Wonder what's happening above ground. Hmmm.
Jul 31, 2010 5:31 PM
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I still don't know what happened, but sure it was disturbing.
And friggin' interesting. Perfect people, slowly waiting for death. Non-perfect people, coming out of their hidden grave. And subliminal messages on the radio. And Italian singing. And the prime minister being a Chair.
I'm shocked.
Aug 1, 2010 2:38 AM
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Scary., O.o
Oct 31, 2010 10:26 AM
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Interesting how the surface-dwellers have their "perfect" society with all their dominant genes and whatnot, while the people of Lux, though put through some extremely hard times, still cling to life. The scenes of the persecution of the "imperfect" people reminded me of the Holocaust and Final Fantasy XIII. I'm really interested to see how this series turns out.
Feb 12, 2011 1:39 PM
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Frash said:
I still don't know what happened, but sure it was disturbing.
And friggin' interesting. Perfect people, slowly waiting for death. Non-perfect people, coming out of their hidden grave. And subliminal messages on the radio. And Italian singing. And the prime minister being a Chair.
I'm shocked.


You got that right. The people down below in Lux looks more alive than the people on the surface. I think I now somehow understand why Kazuho coming from that environment wants to see primitive human energy from the people down below. That office scene reminded me one of the countries Kino visited in Kno no Tabi. :)

That's one big fact they held back all through the last 18 episodes, Texhnolyze is powered and controlled by the Obelisk. And I thought that thing was just a monument or something. :P I assume that Texhnolyze could be a means to control the people of Lux?
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Sep 3, 2011 11:37 PM
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you gotta remember this is almost a goth anime, and then theres the fact the earth is barren, i still have yet to see grass..theres only desert so im guessing a radio-active type thing went down, almost like casshern sins...
Oct 29, 2011 10:59 AM
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Ok, that was the creepiest thing I've ever seen... Anyway, great developments, so I guess the surface world is nothing more than a dying world, so much for going there... Something tells me Lux is really doomed.
Apr 7, 2012 9:23 AM
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This seemingly perfect world is so damn scary. And even when its filled with warm colors compared to the shades of grey the rest of the anime is made of it still feels way colder.
The Athmosphere kinda reminded me of bioshock, its crazy as hell. And what was going on with the Flower withering on touch?

Now I really love this show! before i allready thought it was great but this just made me shiver.
Jun 4, 2012 2:03 AM
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This episode was amazing. The scene where Ichise and Doc were watching the mini film of the evolution of mankind was glorious.
Jul 19, 2012 5:53 AM

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I like how contrast the bright tone used in surface world compared to depressing tone of Lux.

tofei said:
That office scene reminded me one of the countries Kino visited in Kno no Tabi. :)

So I'm not the only one who though that.
Dec 11, 2012 3:40 AM

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How creepy. Everyone in Lux is like a ghost or an automated hologram. Maybe this world should be destroyed.
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Dec 29, 2012 6:17 AM
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I'm curious.. what's with the guy saying he murdered yoshi? Didn't ichese and oonishi kill him?
Dec 29, 2012 4:20 PM
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Camer138 said:
I'm curious.. what's with the guy saying he murdered yoshi? Didn't ichese and oonishi kill him?


No. Ichise punches him off the balcony but Sakimura is the one who finishes him off by putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.
Dec 29, 2012 8:49 PM
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thanks for clearing that up. I'll have to rewatch that part
Feb 7, 2013 10:36 AM

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"-I killed him!
-I'm sure you've done a fine job of it." best dialogue ever. Anyway, the town was damn creepy.

Apr 16, 2013 10:36 PM

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ownosourus said:
"-I killed him!
-I'm sure you've done a fine job of it." best dialogue ever. Anyway, the town was damn creepy.


Probably the only time I'm going to laugh my ass off while watching Texhnolyze. Fantastic episode all around though.
Jun 5, 2013 12:27 PM

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The atmosphere and music really stood out this episode.
The above ground world doesn't seem to be that bad.
There's blue skies and clouds. Still very mysterious.
Jun 18, 2013 7:37 AM

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If technolyzed limbs don't work above ground then how will kano invade it? Won't his technolyzed army be useless?
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Jul 28, 2013 3:47 PM

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So that's why humanity went underground.. or a part of it was sent there by force.
Still, the vision is drastically dystopian and the series gets an even sharper edge to it.
Aug 30, 2013 5:49 PM
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Awesome episode the atmosphere that film the music and Ichise If I were you I'd pay more attention to Doc :3
Oct 4, 2013 5:46 AM
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I didn't expect this kind of surface world. It really reminded me of Mamory Oshii's "Avalon". Great stuff. Now I understand why Kazuho needed to see raw and visceral humanity at it's worst in order to feel alive..

The DOC really likes Ichise. I though it was more of a crush. but she really clings to him.

Why do I get the feeling that this ends with the Obelisk being destroyed and Ichise dying.
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Nov 9, 2013 11:25 AM

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Okay . . . So the humanity above ground is just waiting to slowly die off? Why? The world doesn't seem environmentally screwed . . . It seems almost like they just got bored, so they watch what is going on below ground until they die and bring those below with them. Also, was it just me, or did the film show that some kind of terrorist group was what forced all those people to live below ground?
Dec 19, 2013 11:07 AM

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why is the government official a "chair" o.O
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Frash said:
I still don't know what happened, but sure it was disturbing.
And friggin' interesting. Perfect people, slowly waiting for death. Non-perfect people, coming out of their hidden grave. And subliminal messages on the radio. And Italian singing. And the prime minister being a Chair.
I'm shocked.
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Apr 13, 2014 8:18 PM

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"A mirror improves the ability to think." Great quote referring to self-reflection.

The title of this episode, Heavenward, helps us make sense of it. The surface world is essentially heaven, a utopia. The people living there could not find purpose in a perfect world, so I guess they eventually lost their sense of self-preservation and are now empty shells of their former selves.
Apr 15, 2014 12:40 PM

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Steady development... nothing special to say though.
Apr 17, 2014 4:16 AM

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A good amount of backstory on how the underground world came into existence. Some very nice quotes and a setting reminding me of Kino's journey.
Texhnolyze just gets more awesome every minute.
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Jun 15, 2014 8:25 PM

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why is the government official a "chair" o.O

ikr... that and the creepy little girl (/doll?) that had a man's voice...
So basically the people above the surface have achieved even greater human evolution than the Class' army and dont give a f*ck if they invade the surface.
Aug 4, 2014 5:00 PM
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Yakub said:
If technolyzed limbs don't work above ground then how will kano invade it? Won't his technolyzed army be useless?


You have to remember. When we first saw that Yoshii had "Texhnolyzed limbs"
He said that he wished that was the case or something like that. Meaning that he didn't have texhnolyzed limbs or atleast, ones that were made in Lukuss.
Jan 5, 2015 10:19 AM

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That was so utterly depressing. I always thought the surface was going to be a great place without suffering and hate like it is in Lukass but then it turns out everything is just..... just boring I guess, with no emotion or drive to do anything just slowly waiting to die. That is some deep stuff right there.


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"A mirror improves the ability to think." Great quote referring to self-reflection.

The title of this episode, Heavenward, helps us make sense of it. The surface world is essentially heaven, a utopia. The people living there could not find purpose in a perfect world, so I guess they eventually lost their sense of self-preservation and are now empty shells of their former selves.

Indeed. Utopia is but another dystopia, due to it losing its original purpose of being utopia. While Lux reflects humanity's vice, violence, greed for power and the control by the Class; the surface world doesn't even bother to fight on to live, slowly regressing into nothing as they find no reason to live in a perfect world. Texhnolyze does it extremely well in luring viewers to feel that dystopia is purely hopeless, only for them to shock viewers with the true utopia, the antithesis juxtaposing with Lux side-by-side, separated only by a rail (which is a theme in this anime throughout its 19-episode course).

After all, the creation of Lux, as shown in the film in this episode, was created when the Class rounded up people who were thought to be imperfect or impure of thought, killing many and forcing the rest into the underground city. In turn, only people deemed as 'pure' remained in the surface world, but because vice is non-existent, conflict is non-existent, humans lose their raison d'être and live on like mindless beings with no purpose in life.
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why is the government official a "chair" o.O

Really loved how they portray the 'Minister' as a chair, implying the non-necessity of humanity in voice over decision-making matters not because of contemporary clashes in ideology, but just simply nobody bothers about making decisions anymore. The radio repeating, "A mirror improves the ability to think" was the best evidence of humanity's decline, simply because nobody cared about themselves any longer.

Greatest episode yet, sorry for the TL;DR. Felt impelled to give a general review of this magnum opus thus far.

6/5
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Okay . . . So the humanity above ground is just waiting to slowly die off? Why? The world doesn't seem environmentally screwed . . . It seems almost like they just got bored, so they watch what is going on below ground until they die and bring those below with them. Also, was it just me, or did the film show that some kind of terrorist group was what forced all those people to live below ground?


Indeed, they just got bored, since they find no more reasons to live on. Just imagine a world in which no more vice and 'evil' exists. The dichotomy, the balance is lost. Humanity can only decline as people will start to feel impelled to be bad again - only for the 'bad' ones to be sent to Lux. Wasn't the final part with the cinematic sequence rather clear, I assume? That shows the suppression and purges of the so-called 'evil' people down to Lux, although with he majority decimated.
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Feb 6, 2015 7:59 PM

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This surface city reminded me so much of another city from Ergo Proxy.
Mar 2, 2015 12:15 PM
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Hm, it got quiet lately. I wonder if there's a storm coming...
Jun 10, 2015 2:08 PM
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Another great episode, the upper ground world is also fucked up or more fucked up.... That doll fucking scared me ;_;
Aug 2, 2015 4:56 PM

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That was depressing!
Oct 5, 2015 4:37 PM

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Well, this was a change of pace, which I guess I appreciate... however, I'm still not sure what the significance of any of this is.

Like, what's with those radios? and the sunflowers?
This all seems like pointless, random imagery...

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Wonder what's happening above ground. Hmmm.

Wait, this was under ground?
Ugh, when did they let the viewer know that?

That's what I hate about this show, they hide an important detail such as that within a ton of unimportant dialogue, and then the viewer has no idea what's going on, instead just sitting there watching the nice visuals, without a clue.
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Oct 20, 2015 1:16 PM

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Life isn't better above ground.

The cinema scene was excellent, offering a glimpse of the backstory regarding the creation of Lux. How curious indeed, that a city, where the impure is banished, would bear the name of light. A rather depressing prospect indeed.
Nov 7, 2015 9:18 PM

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lol people underground thought Lux is filled with wonders and perfection
Nov 15, 2015 5:48 PM

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I guess that's one path that technology could lead towards. The disposal and inability to sympathize or empathize with anything or anyone.


Dec 17, 2015 11:45 AM

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This was actually a really good episode, so many small things that are a big impact in this anime and real life even.

Seems the world above ground isnt as good as people thought it was.
Mar 20, 2016 10:59 AM

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So that was the Above-Ground, Wow, also the ending scene is so depressing and good at the same time.
Great Episode.
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Well, this was a change of pace, which I guess I appreciate... however, I'm still not sure what the significance of any of this is.

Like, what's with those radios? and the sunflowers?
This all seems like pointless, random imagery...

Tyestor said:
Wonder what's happening above ground. Hmmm.

Wait, this was under ground?
Ugh, when did they let the viewer know that?

That's what I hate about this show, they hide an important detail such as that within a ton of unimportant dialogue, and then the viewer has no idea what's going on, instead just sitting there watching the nice visuals, without a clue.

They say it in second episode or third. Yoshii even say that he come from above ground many time (Which already hint that they are on underground. You need to pay better attention to dialogue). The reason he want to see human primitive emotion is because he come from above ground. The point of episode to explain the reason why Yoshii came down into Lux and the contrast between two world, perfect but dead world and imperfect but alive world.
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Oh DAMN. This. This was a great episode. I've been pretty bored and unfazed by this anime thusfar, but I really love the contrast of Lux and above ground, and the impossibility of a paradise. Anything that can turn bright, happy colors into spooky hollowness is commendable.

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Yeah, no wonder Yoshii ended up like that with a dead and empty world up here.
Sep 2, 2017 12:39 AM

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In the words of the description in a 10-hour loop of the nyan tongue twister, "do u live or only exist?"

Jan 14, 2018 4:14 PM

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Well I can see why Sakimura didn't want to go back and why Yoshii kept wanting to make a "spectacle" down below.

Humanity above ground has become so perfect and peaceful that they're dying of boredom.
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I don't know what I was expecting but it definetly wasn't this. ok god I can't wait to see how everything's gonna go down
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Walking scene is one of the best scenes I have ever watched in any Anime. The music flows so smoothly with the scene, the way it was directed was breathtaking.

I did not completely understand this episode though. The people on the surface relied on Texhnolyzation, so much so that they no longer need their human bodies... that in turn led to them hating themselves and waging war against each other. The guy on the surface says it "What use is texhnolyze to us?" This means that the people on the surface are dead because they either misused texhnolyzation or because they could not stand living with it anymore.
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Great episode but are those "ghosts" alive or dead?
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