Well, I guess I am late as well haha. I will be honest, I saw this long reply and got very demotivated because it was long. I don't have a lot of motivation, to begin with, but you deserve a discussion, I can't ask for your respect for me now after what I pulled, I suppose. But if you still want to talk, I will try to get back asap this time. I am trying to better my life with good habits and time management because I am going to university next year. So this will be good for me with placing my priorities.
I would imagine Taiwan is a pretty progressive place, but ironically, after searching for the DPP on Google, I got the search suggestion of "Taiwan DPP corruption" on 2nd. It sounds like old news now, relating to this Wikipedia article. But if same-sex marriage is legal there, then it sounds really progressive. I think you have the point there with Taiwan being the most progressive in Asia.
I think you are right there with the Japanese being apathetic towards politics. I just checked a ton of elections in my country, particularly EU referendum which triggered Brexit, and it is a very evenly split between the age percentage of voters. The US is the same as the recent presidential elections. But however, I did find that even here in the UK: https://www.votenone.org.uk/uk-unheard-third.html there are still people not voting. Some people, regardless of where you go, will just do nothing. I would like to believe, like you, that that is more prominent in Japan though. But it shows a similar story on both sides of the Earth. Too many people turn a blind eye to important life factors.
Far-right activity is not surprising in Japan. I will say now, I don't have any evidence to back up what I will say, but I think the older generation is in control of the voting. It might just be Japanese tradition to uphold family values regardless of what an individual thinks, a video of an environment minister taking maternity leave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZFIzwKHDBM (if video is blocked, search "Shinjiro Koizumi parental leave"), people are up in his business, with one comment saying
The fact that a dad is looking after his own son is making international news is horrifying
The difference in values between both sides shows.
I don't think old Japanese people want to have bad things like racism and homophobia to exist, but it is the majority party, like the LDP, that they just go with because it is bent on their ideal Japan they were brought up with, and it serves as an only choice it would seem. You can feel free to correct my mistakes though.
I watched some of the Maica video, I will complete it after this message, it is a very interesting video btw, thank you for sharing. In her video, though, there is a lot of, as you said, there is apathetic behaviour, it is mostly the ignorant young and stupid drunk that is the minority that becomes the loudest people all of a sudden creating this negativity. The rest are background people that don't do anything. I would say there is something wrong in doing nothing, I am guilty of it, but I do know that helping is better. That is why I find Shimanami Tasagore very exaggerated. Dreams At Dusk feels like an attack on an unfortunate group of people, Maica's side in comparison feels like she is misunderstood in the land of Japan, not an attack in my eyes.
Keeping the bloodline going sounds like a very Japanese thing. Maybe even all of Asia. Idk if "They look beautiful but I feel bad for their parent" is homophobia. On Google, it is defined as
dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
(We will use LGBT because it makes more sense for this topic)
I think that comment Daichi parent makes is an attack in some shape, but it is ambiguous since there isn't enough context. Maybe find the page if you can? To see the character expression? Because to me, it sounds like it could go either they say that as "Well, that's a shame. But it is what it is" or "Heh, having lesbian children ruin your bloodline? I couldn't wish to be you, ha!".
Thank you for the video again, I will watch all of it. That is just Japan ignorance dictating people's lives. Sad that something was being forced on the two.
My parents aren't Asian, but they are the same with wanting the traditional bloodline to be going. My parents are more extreme and they said they don't support any LGBT group, they don't even like LGBT people. More to do with religion and family background. I can see that you make a point that in Asia, it is very expected to keep up a traditional bloodline going, so you have a good point with the couples in Shimanami Tasagore being pressured into things they don't want to do. I will give you that.
To add on with what I said with your comment on Tsubaki's dad. You are right in that it would make sense for him to lash out. But it depends on the case which makes that scene believable or not. It is easy to make the scene dramatic for the sake of it, I found something a little similar with a North Korean, not the best case, but it is interesting if you still want to look at it, I just found this today at school: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56323825 , if the link is blocked in your country search "North Korea’s ‘only openly gay defector’ finds love". I just used this case because one sentence said:
"In North Korea, if a man says he doesn't like a woman, people [just] think he's unwell."
Not a lash out, rather a more confused approach.
I think Shimanami Tasagore did a sly trick there. Children are easily influenced, which made him perfect for that role. In saying that though, he was introduced as a very cold stern character, not showing much emotion (I might be wrong, I haven't read this in a while). I watched the message on that video too. Makes a good point in lumping minorities together, something Japan is good at. Not the best mindset, but I guess that explains a Misora a little more.
Also side note, there is a good channel focusing on Japan social problems, one thing I got from when you said the US and Japan are the same in battle of ideologies was this Japanese Antifa that had come out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwomQMU008 . Japan does follow in steps, I suppose.
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Also, I don't play Persona sorry, I was going to try watching the anime for it instead. I can't really play games at this moment in time because I don't have the devices to do so. I want to take up Persona though, now that you mentioned it. But I also want to try Nier Automata and maybe even Final Fantasy games. I want to take up a ton of visual novels in the future too as well. I love Japan's pop culture quite a bit lol. I was also thinking of trying something like Genshin Impact in the future too. If that is any good.
Great to hear that we are on good terms. Damn, you would think someone who writes a lot of reviews would try to be civil. It's a shame but that is what it turned out to be, in saying that though, my interaction with him seemed respectable when I spoke to him. I haven't seen how the dude contradicts himself, but that doesn't sound good considering that I see him quite a bit on top reviews for some manga. I am not one to disrespect people behind their backs so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and try to read what he has made for my own judgement. Endless debates seem like a waste of time so good on you that you didn't try to do anything like that. Maybe it is saltiness, maybe it is just a defensive mindset, honestly, I am not sure myself. I have to admit I am in a grey area with lgbt stories, but not because they are lgbt, rather just stories that happen to feel bad for me whilst coincidently being an lgbt story. Most of the time they seem good though.
Fair enough, I took into account recent events and ideas that I have built from my knowledge of Japan, I am not sure how accurate I am in saying this but Japan feels like the most liberalised Eastern country in terms of social issues. Obviously, it is nowhere near as great as the west but the change is visible compared to other Eastern countries. Yeah, I am no expert too, you have a cool course with Law too. Would be nice to discuss it, but as you have said, no real need for endless debate in opinions we are already stuck with, though I have no problem changing my mind.
I have no control over what you write but it seems like you wrote more of a direct message to abystoma2 with that Dreams at Dusk review you wrote. Probably best to just send that to him directly lol.
On a second note though, I too made a review on the series being @ https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=362358 , since you apparently had time to comment on someone else's review. Would like your insight on mine too. Only saying this because this is one of the only negative reviews I have written in my time at MAL, in addition to the fact that I probably missed the point in the story somewhere. You don't have to if you don't want to lol.
Just hoping that you will reply rationally and calmly. I just want to talk about a series that both you and I have read. I don't mind if you call it trash or whatnot lol, but just some civil discussion.
I guess I was disagreeing with the other reviewer so much I was about to make a review too before seeing yours. Just thought it was nice to express my appreciation. Thx for the FR and may you have a nice day too! Also, happy 2021~
Hey, I wanted to give you thumps up for your review for Crystal Palace.
Many ppl who read it rly expect something they're used to/they prefer, aka storyline heavy and bright with perfect characters. No one rly considers it from the perspective of the mangaka and the story itself. It doesn't need to have a storyline since it just follows the lives of two brothers. It's pretty fucked up but the author doesn't romanticize it or exaggerate it. It's tragic but not too much of a tragedy because it feels very much real. The downpoint might just be that it's a bit boring, but the author did a good job doing the minimum for the themes. My views might differ from yours, but I just wanna appreciate the fact that you saw the story from its own perspective.
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I would imagine Taiwan is a pretty progressive place, but ironically, after searching for the DPP on Google, I got the search suggestion of "Taiwan DPP corruption" on 2nd. It sounds like old news now, relating to this Wikipedia article. But if same-sex marriage is legal there, then it sounds really progressive. I think you have the point there with Taiwan being the most progressive in Asia.
I think you are right there with the Japanese being apathetic towards politics. I just checked a ton of elections in my country, particularly EU referendum which triggered Brexit, and it is a very evenly split between the age percentage of voters. The US is the same as the recent presidential elections. But however, I did find that even here in the UK: https://www.votenone.org.uk/uk-unheard-third.html there are still people not voting. Some people, regardless of where you go, will just do nothing. I would like to believe, like you, that that is more prominent in Japan though. But it shows a similar story on both sides of the Earth. Too many people turn a blind eye to important life factors.
Far-right activity is not surprising in Japan. I will say now, I don't have any evidence to back up what I will say, but I think the older generation is in control of the voting. It might just be Japanese tradition to uphold family values regardless of what an individual thinks, a video of an environment minister taking maternity leave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZFIzwKHDBM (if video is blocked, search "Shinjiro Koizumi parental leave"), people are up in his business, with one comment saying
I don't think old Japanese people want to have bad things like racism and homophobia to exist, but it is the majority party, like the LDP, that they just go with because it is bent on their ideal Japan they were brought up with, and it serves as an only choice it would seem. You can feel free to correct my mistakes though.
I watched some of the Maica video, I will complete it after this message, it is a very interesting video btw, thank you for sharing. In her video, though, there is a lot of, as you said, there is apathetic behaviour, it is mostly the ignorant young and stupid drunk that is the minority that becomes the loudest people all of a sudden creating this negativity. The rest are background people that don't do anything. I would say there is something wrong in doing nothing, I am guilty of it, but I do know that helping is better. That is why I find Shimanami Tasagore very exaggerated. Dreams At Dusk feels like an attack on an unfortunate group of people, Maica's side in comparison feels like she is misunderstood in the land of Japan, not an attack in my eyes.
Keeping the bloodline going sounds like a very Japanese thing. Maybe even all of Asia. Idk if "They look beautiful but I feel bad for their parent" is homophobia. On Google, it is defined as
I think that comment Daichi parent makes is an attack in some shape, but it is ambiguous since there isn't enough context. Maybe find the page if you can? To see the character expression? Because to me, it sounds like it could go either they say that as "Well, that's a shame. But it is what it is" or "Heh, having lesbian children ruin your bloodline? I couldn't wish to be you, ha!".
Thank you for the video again, I will watch all of it. That is just Japan ignorance dictating people's lives. Sad that something was being forced on the two.
My parents aren't Asian, but they are the same with wanting the traditional bloodline to be going. My parents are more extreme and they said they don't support any LGBT group, they don't even like LGBT people. More to do with religion and family background. I can see that you make a point that in Asia, it is very expected to keep up a traditional bloodline going, so you have a good point with the couples in Shimanami Tasagore being pressured into things they don't want to do. I will give you that.
To add on with what I said with your comment on Tsubaki's dad. You are right in that it would make sense for him to lash out. But it depends on the case which makes that scene believable or not. It is easy to make the scene dramatic for the sake of it, I found something a little similar with a North Korean, not the best case, but it is interesting if you still want to look at it, I just found this today at school: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56323825 , if the link is blocked in your country search "North Korea’s ‘only openly gay defector’ finds love". I just used this case because one sentence said:
I think Shimanami Tasagore did a sly trick there. Children are easily influenced, which made him perfect for that role. In saying that though, he was introduced as a very cold stern character, not showing much emotion (I might be wrong, I haven't read this in a while). I watched the message on that video too. Makes a good point in lumping minorities together, something Japan is good at. Not the best mindset, but I guess that explains a Misora a little more.
Also side note, there is a good channel focusing on Japan social problems, one thing I got from when you said the US and Japan are the same in battle of ideologies was this Japanese Antifa that had come out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwomQMU008 . Japan does follow in steps, I suppose.
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Also, I don't play Persona sorry, I was going to try watching the anime for it instead. I can't really play games at this moment in time because I don't have the devices to do so. I want to take up Persona though, now that you mentioned it. But I also want to try Nier Automata and maybe even Final Fantasy games. I want to take up a ton of visual novels in the future too as well. I love Japan's pop culture quite a bit lol. I was also thinking of trying something like Genshin Impact in the future too. If that is any good.
Fair enough, I took into account recent events and ideas that I have built from my knowledge of Japan, I am not sure how accurate I am in saying this but Japan feels like the most liberalised Eastern country in terms of social issues. Obviously, it is nowhere near as great as the west but the change is visible compared to other Eastern countries. Yeah, I am no expert too, you have a cool course with Law too. Would be nice to discuss it, but as you have said, no real need for endless debate in opinions we are already stuck with, though I have no problem changing my mind.
On a second note though, I too made a review on the series being @ https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=362358 , since you apparently had time to comment on someone else's review. Would like your insight on mine too. Only saying this because this is one of the only negative reviews I have written in my time at MAL, in addition to the fact that I probably missed the point in the story somewhere. You don't have to if you don't want to lol.
Just hoping that you will reply rationally and calmly. I just want to talk about a series that both you and I have read. I don't mind if you call it trash or whatnot lol, but just some civil discussion.
Many ppl who read it rly expect something they're used to/they prefer, aka storyline heavy and bright with perfect characters. No one rly considers it from the perspective of the mangaka and the story itself. It doesn't need to have a storyline since it just follows the lives of two brothers. It's pretty fucked up but the author doesn't romanticize it or exaggerate it. It's tragic but not too much of a tragedy because it feels very much real. The downpoint might just be that it's a bit boring, but the author did a good job doing the minimum for the themes. My views might differ from yours, but I just wanna appreciate the fact that you saw the story from its own perspective.