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| Miorine knows what she's doing but I feel like it will just get worse because she won't outplay Prospera like that... felt bad for Suletta definitely, she's not understanding what's happening... |
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| DAMN Guel didn't hesitate a SECOND after Aerial powered down and immediately went in for the kill And now Suletta has been... set free? Can she now live the life that Miorine wishes for her? |
  NYANPASU  whiskey tango foxtrot |
| Miorine is truly her father's daughter. I wonder if she will remember her claim that she would never be like him. |
Mariklyn said: They also have an history of making you believe something that feels ridiculous, to tell you first thing in next episode "actually, yes". Happened in season one, when everyone lost their mind that Aerial might be a Gundam, then nobody reacted when Elan used one too, just to tell us there was some reaction.Spirelord said: Doesn't the fact that the duel was rigged invalidate the duel?? I could've sworn they made a big deal about that in the past. It is kind of insane and a huge plot hole that Miorine can get away with that when she admits to it in the middle of the battleground, when it's all being recorded no less. Yah... this show is filled with plot holes, unfortunately. Except Guel, I don't feel any sympathy for any character in that show anymore, and it becomes harder to feel involved. The use of the whole "I did that for your own good" trope annoys me a lot. Yeah, let's separate the girl that see her MS as family, and litterally splashed a guy just before your eyes. She sure gonna take the betrayal right. This feel so stupid from Miorine who is supposed to be smarter than that. I cannot stand Suletta always being a crybaby anymore. We're far beyond the point where her being naive has become annoying. |
Turtles_HunterMay 8, 2023 7:46 PM
| Guel really matured and I'm impressed with his character development. This man just wanted to revive the Jeturk family after the passing of his father. He finally has the chance to do so by dueling Suletta once again and taking Aerial after he wins. Props to Guel because he has to battle the most skilled Gundam user ever. The flashbacks during the fight with his father must've been traumatizing but he kept his composure. I feel so bad for Suletta. She could've won the duel but it was rigged by Miorine. Miorine wanted to free Suletta from Aerial and from Prospera's brainwashing. Now I wonder how Suletta will grow from this. Having Aerial be taken away from her and be thrown away by Miorine basically. Considering she's now useless to Miorine. |
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| The red herring pairings are disolved, Suletta rejects Elan and Guel in quick succession, it was nice that they finally spelled out Suletta's intentions, so that even the people in the back could hear. I suppose Suletta losing would have been more sad, had I not known that she would lose at some point. Then again I suppose Suletta and Miorine wouldn't have had any real relationship, had there not been character arcs to enforce the meaning of their relationship. I guess at the end of the day this a necessary direction for the show to go in order for Suletta to have any degree of self actualization. I suppose it remains to be seen how Suletta can get a Gundam or two after losing the Aerial. Though the Gundam is virtually useless without Suletta. Guel somehow manages to regress becoming even less his own person, but then again none of the other characters have any real independence either, as of yet. As the enforcers of the status quo assemble, Suletta is forced out of the group, seemingly going where ever after losing it all. I guess the people rooting for Guel to become the main character really like the Gundam Seed Destiny school of writing. I guess Suletta can now finally side with any faction that aren't ostensibly bad guys. Seeming as how the Benerit Group are pretty much the villains of the show, it would have been concerning, had the main character continued to punch down the downtrodden for the rest of the show. I suppose Suletta can now have that character arc where she throws away the headband, which has seemingly ever since the beginning been a symbol of the power that her mother held over her, I mean she doesn't have it in the ending either. But I guess Gundam was all about parental figures always being justified. |
KumiveneellaMay 9, 2023 12:26 AM
katktv said: A plot hole of unjust and corrupt power structures that are literally the theme of the whole show. I do not recall there being any rules about rigging, only about Gundams. Jeturks literally had the AI fight for Guel, the houses don’t give a toss about rigging stuff when they actually need to rig it. Nah, I disagree. The theme is more about betrayal. Everyone and everything is getting backstabbed. How the characters react to the betrayal seems to be the only thing pushing the narrative along. Yet, the show seems to delve between reality and fantasy. For example, they introduced the concept of business. From what I have gathered, these kids are dealing with huge lumps of money. Yet the face of the company opperates a one billion dollar machine? (my guess) And she has the mental fortitude of a child? Yet her courage seems from her bold words like "no one hurts my bride." It just comes off as goofy even by anime standards. The negative criticism is just the result of the show juggling to many things at once and failing in the process. Lord knows how many people are watching this show only because it has the Gundam brand. Put the brand away, and the story comes off as inconsistently flat. |
| My heart for Suletta, Miorine can only do things one way and that's being very brash with everything. Miorine thinks she's doing the right thing for everyone, including Suletta, but what a way to do it I do think Suletta needs to reach out to Prospera, nd one of two things happen. Either Prospera tells Suletta the truth because Suletta accepts everything from her mother, or Prospera abandons her because her plan can move on without her |
| I need the name of the dramatic OST when Guel finally fights back. |
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katktv said: Mariklyn said: Nah, I disagree. The theme is more about betrayal. Everyone and everything is getting backstabbed. How the characters react to the betrayal seems to be the only thing pushing the narrative along. Yet, the show seems to delve between reality and fantasy. For example, they introduced the concept of business. From what I have gathered, these kids are dealing with huge lumps of money. Yet the face of the company opperates a one billion dollar machine? (my guess) And she has the mental fortitude of a child? Yet her courage seems from her bold words like "no one hurts my bride." It just comes off as goofy even by anime standards. The negative criticism is just the result of the show juggling to many things at once and failing in the process. Lord knows how many people are watching this show only because it has the Gundam brand. Put the brand away, and the story comes off as inconsistently flat. Suletta is not really the face of a company as much as she is a leverage for Prospera, all while Miorine is actually managing the books and is the one that first and foremost responsible for giving the company the confidence it needs. It wasn’t Suletta giving the company confidence, it is Delling’s endorsement of Miorine and ultimately Miorine’s command. Suletta is there because the only thing she needs to be relevant is winning duels. It’s not about confidence, it’s about people not being able to defeat her up until now. I genuinely don’t understand how this relatively straightforward plot flies over some of y’alls heads. Wow,I feel stupid for reading that. Honestly, if you're going to be disingenuous because people don't like the show, ignore the criticism and enjoy it, but don't start a discussion if you yourself can not understand your own position in the argument. If the Martian girl is not the face of the company, then why is she forced to keep winning her battles? it's almost as if the company is marketing her image to promote the business. The same face that influenced those terrorists pilots from earth. The same face used the company commercial. The same face that had been the number one student in the school in terms of ranking. But looking at the facts, we have a girl who goes to a pilot school, who is ranked the highest among her peers, operates an actual Gundam, and is part of a company that is supposed to help people. But help me make understand how that is not the face of the company in terms of branding or marketing? 🤡 |
Mariklyn said: What you're thinking of is not a plot hole. It's you looking directly at the point the show is trying to make, and writing it off because you disagree with it.katktv said: A plot hole of unjust and corrupt power structures that are literally the theme of the whole show. I do not recall there being any rules about rigging, only about Gundams. Jeturks literally had the AI fight for Guel, the houses don’t give a toss about rigging stuff when they actually need to rig it. Nah, I disagree. The theme is more about betrayal. Everyone and everything is getting backstabbed. How the characters react to the betrayal seems to be the only thing pushing the narrative along. Yet, the show seems to delve between reality and fantasy. For example, they introduced the concept of business. From what I have gathered, these kids are dealing with huge lumps of money. Yet the face of the company opperates a one billion dollar machine? (my guess) And she has the mental fortitude of a child? Yet her courage seems from her bold words like "no one hurts my bride." It just comes off as goofy even by anime standards. The negative criticism is just the result of the show juggling to many things at once and failing in the process. Lord knows how many people are watching this show only because it has the Gundam brand. Put the brand away, and the story comes off as inconsistently flat. Yes, these are immature teens who have ended up in a world of corporate politics. Their actions have results at a scale they can no longer conceptualise. Ideals such as friendship or peace struggle to survive in this environment, and that's an issue for the characters we follow. To put it another way, when you think "that's silly, why would this be happening," that's because the show is saying "exactly, it shouldn't." |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
O_T_T said: Mariklyn said: What you're thinking of is not a plot hole. It's you looking directly at the point the show is trying to make, and writing it off because you disagree with it.Nah, I disagree. The theme is more about betrayal. Everyone and everything is getting backstabbed. How the characters react to the betrayal seems to be the only thing pushing the narrative along. Yet, the show seems to delve between reality and fantasy. For example, they introduced the concept of business. From what I have gathered, these kids are dealing with huge lumps of money. Yet the face of the company opperates a one billion dollar machine? (my guess) And she has the mental fortitude of a child? Yet her courage seems from her bold words like "no one hurts my bride." It just comes off as goofy even by anime standards. The negative criticism is just the result of the show juggling to many things at once and failing in the process. Lord knows how many people are watching this show only because it has the Gundam brand. Put the brand away, and the story comes off as inconsistently flat. Yes, these are immature teens who have ended up in a world of corporate politics. Their actions have results at a scale they can no longer conceptualise. Ideals such as friendship or peace struggle to survive in this environment, and that's an issue for the characters we follow. To put it another way, when you think "that's silly, why would this be happening," that's because the show is saying "exactly, it shouldn't." The part that you're quoting is my assignment on the female lead and the company she is a part of. The original poster pointed out the irrational to admit cheating during a duel and be open about it. But the show has been inconsistent in general. Like in the beginning, when the council made a huge deal about Little Red (LR) operating a Gundam. I'm just saying from a logical sense. Ever since suellette showed up, nothing but trouble has fallen to the school. For each major event, the show tries to ignore the event or do a half ass job to explain it. I guess now they are trying to take LR Ariel away, but by cheating. Because LR is too good ? it just leads to the question of why hasn't anyone else tried before, they already shown how easily terrorists infiltrated the group. Or what sense does it make to be the strongest (in terms of the school motto "might make right.") When it's easier to cheat. |
Mariklyn said: The part that you're quoting is my assignment on the female lead and the company she is a part of. The original poster pointed out the irrational to admit cheating during a duel and be open about it. But the show has been inconsistent in general. Like in the beginning, when the council made a huge deal about Little Red (LR) operating a Gundam. Assignment? Assessment, surely? What do you mean by inconsistent, here? That Bennerit were against Gundams earlier, yet now have been successfully coerced into allowing them? The entire first half of the show was about arranging this, are you complaining that the cast aren't unchanging slabs of stone, unable to make decisions and incite changes? I'm just saying from a logical sense. Ever since suellette showed up, nothing but trouble has fallen to the school. For each major event, the show tries to ignore the event or do a half ass job to explain it. I really don't know what you're describing here. Things have changed as a result of earlier events, that's plainly evident and natural in the story being told. It appears you're unsatisfied they're not reacting in what you imagine is the "logical" way, but I don't see how anything that's happened so far is provably illogical. Examples of what you're thinking is the case would help. I guess now they are trying to take LR Ariel away, but by cheating. Because LR is too good? it just leads to the question of why hasn't anyone else tried before, they already shown how easily terrorists infiltrated the group. Or what sense does it make to be the strongest (in terms of the school motto "might make right.") When it's easier to cheat. This one is really annoying, because you're skirting a hair's width from the realisation the show should be inciting in you. Yes, everyone is (under your terminology) "cheating." It's almost as if a monopoly of war profiteers is an inherently unfair environment were those with power and resources use every underhanded trick to get what they want(!) Wouldn't that be a twist(!) I really must urge you to recall what I told you in my last comment. Consider what the show is trying to teach. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| On one hand, I can see why Miorine did it. But I'm really not a fan of how she did it... |
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GrimAtrament said: Maybe because Prospera is not Sulettas GF? And 2 wrongs dont make a right?Comander-07 said: Miorine is the most toxic girlfriend I have seen in ages. Walking red flag. Nobody died this birthday though. Lame. Is this actually going to end in just 7 eps? Prospera turned her own daughter into a living weapon and the other one into a walking puppet. but Minorine is the toxic one? smh some of these takes are weird. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| among all they deceived Suletta! Poor!!! kekeke |
It´s overcharged, Like Frodo with the ring!!! kekeke |
a great change to returns!!! kekeke |
The best is that she returns to Mercury with her mom!!!! kekeke |
| This 2nd season is a lot darker than the previous season wtf. Despite Miorine's attempt to sabotage Suletta, she finds herself compelled to continue collaborating with Prospera in the development of Quiet Zero. To ensure Suletta remains entirely free from Prospera's influence, the only viable solution is to keep her distanced from Miorine. |
| haha! imagine getting outrigged this bad. |
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| While I know that Guel is a good person, Suletta didn't deserve to suffer, or be tricked like that. Miorine thinks that what she's doing is for the best, but I'm not entirely sure of that. Only time will tell, of course. |
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| Damn. Suletta I'm crying with you. |
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| I hate that I love this show so much. This episode shattered my heart into a billion tiny shards and I couldn't breathe past the lump in my throat. |
| That was cruel of Miorine to do....but I get it. The brainwashing of Suletta is intense... |
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| Like father like daughter |
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| I'm binging through a rewatch via the dub and I think this may be Witch From Mercury's last truly great episode. It marks an end to the duels and Guel's arc comes to a satisfying full circle before the plot starts getting pretty messy after this episode as the show rushes to an ending. Also it's the last time "happy birthday" is used, which is really strange because it absolutely should've played into the finale somehow. |
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