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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- To meet the schedule deadline, they better work hard. God I hope the quality won't be like that girl running on the beach. Interesting episode overall with the high tension in the air. Cute glasses though:  Dem ultimate goals. |
Stark700Nov 20, 2014 9:04 AM
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| Why this anime only got 7.24.... This has great original story, and original storyline.. ;_; ---------------- Looks like being an Animator for newbie is hard... ;_; |
| Pretty rough week for Ema, feel terrible for her. Nice to see Aoi's sister though. |
animefan8800Nov 20, 2014 9:23 AM
| I love this show, their fictional anime names are hilarious: Ema really is working hard trying to master her drawing skills even though she's having a rough time... I hope she can improve her skill :). Aoi gets drunk easily, she started drinking and her face was already blushing. The future looks scary for Aoi and Ema as far as I can tell. Good episode. |
| I'm learning English so maybe I make mistakes :) |
| It is hard to balance both speed and perfection. I can understand how Ema feels. I wonder what kind of advice can her 2 senpais give her. Cute relationship Oi-chan have with her sister too. |
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて |
| I guess what's happening with Ema is the cause of Derps and Quality in anime? Speed over quality. Poor girl :( |
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| Man, do i know Ema's feeling. Good episode, we got a better look at Ema and her struggle at work. |
xkinn123 said: Why this anime only got 7.24.... This has great original story, and original storyline.. ;_; ---------------- Looks like being an Animator for newbie is hard... ;_; Lol, it is normal on mal, shitty commercial series has scores above 8, and the good ones 6-7. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| that part where they showed Jiggly Heaven was gold ^^ slightly better quality (the site downgrade video quality so the quality is not great either) |
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| Nice episode, look like the girls working hard to achieve thier goal before the schedule deadline. That scene with the girl runing on the beach look so weird, Hope they will do better :P |
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"Melting":  "Melting" is a quality problem having to do with the "in-between frames". The "in-between frames" are the frames that come between the "key frames" (原画). Something bad happens if the quality of the animation of the in-between frames is poor. It appears to be degraded. This situation is commonly described by animators using the word "melting" (溶ける/tokeru). They very clearly illustrate "melting" in this episode. There is a conversation from 17:30 to 17:50 between "A" and "B" (talking on the phone) where: A = Aoi Miyamori B = brown banged braided hair lady = Segawa-san = Misato Segawa At 17:38, you can hear B say "nakawari", talking about the in-between frames. Then, at 17:39 you can hear "B" say "tokechau", which means "melted". At 17:42, you can hear Aoi repeat the word "tokechau". Also, from 17:40 to 17:43, they show animation of a woman running in a white-topped bikini. The quality is poor. This shows us the concept of "melting" due to Ema's poorly-drawn key frames. As the Animation Supervisor, Segawa-san realized that good in-betweens could not be made from such poor key frames. So that is why Ema had to start again and do it over. In order to help the fans to understand the technical terminology used in each episode, the official website has a very long phrase list. Here it is, in Japanese: http://shirobako-anime.com/words.html Each week, some new phrases are added to the list. For Episode 7, the single new phrase is "nakawari ga tokeru" (中割りが溶ける). This means "melting of the in-between frames". In Japanese, here is specifically what their explanation of "nakawari ga tokeru" says: |
okanaganNov 20, 2014 6:23 PM
| Should've been Tarou (instead of Tatsuya) that left Musashino... |
StyleF1re said: Should've been Tarou (instead of Tatsuya) that left Musashino... It makes sense that proven professionals are scouted by the big companies, while through idiots are slowly ostracised/given the most awful tasks. About Shirobako having a score of 7.24 in MAL, IMO if you do not have a certain degree of mental maturity you can't recognize the value of this series. The producers know that and that is why the included the Initial-D racing sequences at the beginning, to see if they could make some people to watch the whole episode at least. |
| The show's being pretty good, I love to see these characters on their 20s. Sure everyone's facing problems on their productions, the deadlines are the worst thing ever. |
| Poor Ema is being to hard on herself and not asking for help, as sad as it seems this is something the happens pretty often with new employees. They are afraid to ask the others do to age, seniority or just because they seem busy. While usually the others don't mind being asked things at all. I have seen it happen several times and to be honest i had trouble asking as well with my first job. |
mangamuscle said: StyleF1re said: Should've been Tarou (instead of Tatsuya) that left Musashino... It makes sense that proven professionals are scouted by the big companies, while through idiots are slowly ostracised/given the most awful tasks. About Shirobako having a score of 7.24 in MAL, IMO if you do not have a certain degree of mental maturity you can't recognize the value of this series. The producers know that and that is why the included the Initial-D racing sequences at the beginning, to see if they could make some people to watch the whole episode at least. Man are the Initial D-like sequences so unnecessary. Doesn't fit with the adult atmosphere and tone of this series. I'm just poking fun at Tarou btw, since all he has to offer so far are bad jokes and bad character. I don't even recall Tatsuya actually being there as someone with relevance or presence. What I really want to see more of in this series is what was offered this episode, with that older veteran animator giving advice to the young newcomer, and also the newcomer revealing her frustration and struggles to Miyamori. Stuff like the director being caged and Tarou being a bad comedian can take a hike! MAL scores? No idea what those are... haha Aversa said: Poor Ema is being to hard on herself and not asking for help, as sad as it seems this is something the happens pretty often with new employees. They are afraid to ask the others do to age, seniority or just because they seem busy. While usually the others don't mind being asked things at all. I have seen it happen several times and to be honest i had trouble asking as well with my first job. I can totally relate to her too! |
xkinn123 said: the target audience of this show and the ones who would probably appreciate it are usually not the kind of people that hype up their ratings or don't rate until this is over. other commercially popular series tend to have more people who give free 9's or 10's. assuming that the show remains consistently good until it ends, expect a rise in the ratings by then. i've seen this trend in MAL many times before.Why this anime only got 7.24.... This has great original story, and original storyline.. ;_; |
| It was nice to see the show focus a little bit more on some of the other "main" characters. I wish that Ema had a little bit more screentime before this episode, because her feeling of guilt feel a little...random? Also, we finally get to see something from Jiggly Heaven. I could only imagine what a full series like that must have been like. That animation was atrocious. And three recap episodes?! Oh my goodness. |
| As one measure of the popularity of this series among anime fans in Japan, the "Amazon Stalker points" are looking pretty good (in my non-expert opinion): BD = Blu-ray regular edition BDSLE = Blu-ray special limited edition DVD = DVD regular edition DVDSLE = DVD special limited edition Volume 1 (on sale Dec 24) BD: 3025 BDSLE: 295 DVD: 204 DVDSLE: 84 These numbers are current as of this moment. I think that maybe some people in Japan are buying the BDs/DVDs because this series is a serious attempt at documenting their anime industry. In Japan, producing anime is one of their national treasures. It is something that is unique to Japan, along with Flower Arranging, the Tea Ceremony, Kendo and so on. Re-watching this series has a lot more enduring significance since it is very unlikely that anybody else will do the same thing for years to come.  |
okanaganNov 20, 2014 4:48 PM
| Another great episode. Despite the weird name, when they started talking about a winter original anime with two cours about robots, Aldnoah immediately popped up in my mind :P When this show comes out as an English version, I'm definitely gonna grab the BDs |
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| Damn. Ema's struggle was pretty hard to watch. Having to retake all the cuts and being criticized by a senior animator. With so much negativity in the air, she's being even more tough on herself. *Sigh.. Really hope she recovers and discusses her predicament with Ogasawara and Iguchi. Good episode. Didn't quite get why Miyamori's Onee-chan had to be added to the cast. She doesn't seem to be anyone special to the plot anyways. |
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| Hmm, it's a real conflict for Ema... to work fast and be efficiently, or to be thorough and meticulous. I myself always vouch for the latter, but especially in an environment as an anime production company, both are really needed. Hope things light up for her soon. It's always seemed like she's the A-blood type and isn't quite confident in her abilities. Totally shipping Kao-nee-chan with that blue-haired chick. |
mangamuscle said: About Shirobako having a score of 7.24 in MAL, IMO if you do not have a certain degree of mental maturity you can't recognize the value of this series. How pretentious of you. I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to see what you guys see in it yet I can't. All I see is bits of drama padded out with frivolous talk and in-jokes. That said this week took itself a bit more seriously so it could be taking a turn for the better |
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| The melting and Tarou getting hit after calling safe. Aoi having an older sister like that! Ema struggling with her work :/ Getting all her cuts rejected and also bringing the disappointment around it. With limited time and having 10 cuts to draw... Ema crying yet showing determination at the end was nice to see. |
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| I always watch this show after watching the other anime thats sort of about industry: Denki-gai as I need something to wash away the extreme boringness that I just went through and once again Shirobako delivers. I find it incredible that even though both are about industry Denki's is clearly more about comedy and takes a lot of creative liberties whereas Shirobako doesn't try to be hilarious and for me Shirobako just completely destroys Denki-gai in all aspects. Not as fast paced of an episode as the last few but I'm glad they're giving other characters developmental screen time. Seriously DO NOT understand how this anime is rated so low and really unappreciated this season. It's got great characters, beautiful animation, a nice story setup and pretty good depiction of what the industry is like [I guess]. Even if they told me tomorrow that this had absolutely nothing in common with how it is in real life, I wouldn't be pissed because it's a great show non the less. Very underrated anime so far to say the least. |
The best anime is the Road to El Dorado |
| this animes pretty good.. dunno why people said it's overrated ._. |
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| I really love what this show is doing. It's not mature in a pretentious seeming way, but dry, relatable way. |
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| tfw not tensai |
| As shown in this episode discussion, Ema's a really relatable character, or at least what she's going through at the moment. Unfortunately for her job, the quality is not something she can compromise, even if it means being slow, which is really sad because I can feel her frustration. But being fast and meticulous really can't be picked up overnight. It's just like, in a way, how some manga I've read started out with meh art and then become gorgeous over time. I'm sure not only did the mangaka start to improve with his/her art but also how quick he/she can get the drawings done. Good luck Ema! >< And lol with Jiggly Heaven, that was some beautiful animation. Nice to learn about what "melting" is. Also, Ochiai leaving for a even better studio! That's kind of sad, we barely saw him. |
Ema has all the rights to be frustrated. Aside from the fact that she won't be paid for all the retakes, just look at how huge she got paid every day. Poor girl. Annual Income (Dollar) |
HachiKirraNov 21, 2014 1:19 PM
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| ^Damn she gets paid less than a college student (what does she really do though to get money, allowance or part-timer job??) and a part-timer? Poor girl D: Ema probably spends more time working than those two but gets such a measly pay...also, do A-list VAs really get that much money? o_o |
Kenai_Fakkuyu said: Ema has all the rights to be frustrated. Aside from the fact that she won't be paid for all the retakes, just look at how huge she got paid every day. Poor girl. I don't understand the chart, Ema made $9400 a day?!! what? |
millo said: Kenai_Fakkuyu said: Ema has all the rights to be frustrated. Aside from the fact that she won't be paid for all the retakes, just look at how huge she got paid every day. Poor girl. I don't understand the chart, Ema made $9400 a day?!! what? yen.....thats about 79 us dollars a day |
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millo said: I don't understand the chart, Ema made $9400 a day?!! what? The first chart estimates each individual's income per day (in yen) while the second one is annual income (in $, someone from Reddit estimated it). It's sad to imagine that animators who basically do the hardest part of an animation production are the ones that paid the littlest. To add salt to injury, a lot of anime fans can name studios, VAs, creenwriters, directors, composers and recognize their works but definitely not animators. They are the unsung heroes of the anime industry. |
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| Pretty great episode! Ema's struggle is soo relatable |
| A-ah, poor Ema D: Tatsuya is leaving Musashino Animation? Too bad. I kind of liked him even though he didn't get much screentime lol Nice episode, I liked it :D |
| I need some donuts. gedata said: mangamuscle said: About Shirobako having a score of 7.24 in MAL, IMO if you do not have a certain degree of mental maturity you can't recognize the value of this series. How pretentious of you. I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to see what you guys see in it yet I can't. All I see is bits of drama padded out with frivolous talk and in-jokes. That said this week took itself a bit more seriously so it could be taking a turn for the better I agree with this. And one of this show's good points is that it is well informative but it lacks what another very similar themed show (Bakuman) has which is the attachment to the characters and having a clear goal in the story. |
| I knew Shigeru would be my favorite character. Tellin' it like it is. Way to go ol' chap. Good luck to Ema-chan~ |
"Be the change you wish to see in the world."  |
supermox said: Um no. Both charts are annual income. Ema takes home 1100000 yen annually. The figure for the first chart is ten-thousand. Oops, I misunderstood it. |
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| poor Ema. she barely gets minimum wage for her hard work. |
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| B-but... I don't want Tatsuya to leave too! Too bishounen for this :3 |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Jesus Christ, that annual income chart is just too depressing. Fuck A-List actors, they DO NOT deserve that much more than everyone else involved in creating anime (or films for that matter) |
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| Good episode, I like the focus on the animators. Want it to get more technical and specific on what makes a certain key frame good or bad. |
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| This was a suprisingly emotional episode. |
Kenai_Fakkuyu said: millo said: I don't understand the chart, Ema made $9400 a day?!! what? The first chart estimates each individual's income per day (in yen) while the second one is annual income (in $, someone from Reddit estimated it). It's sad to imagine that animators who basically do the hardest part of an animation production are the ones that paid the littlest. To add salt to injury, a lot of anime fans can name studios, VAs, creenwriters, directors, composers and recognize their works but definitely not animators. They are the unsung heroes of the anime industry. Basically, they're like grad students, though animators arguably contribute more to society. |
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