Thats sad, Evangelion is god-tier drama. Its true that Gainax went bankrupt and the animation quality is really bad, but thats how things were before we got into this endless moe torrent. The usage of Beethoven's 9th symphony is really amusing. I think Evangelion is pretty much what art animation can offer at its best (in terms of content), but now we're digging more and more into visual aesthetics enough to forget about everything else.
"It feels like it's taking a shit on the scientific fields of artificial intelligence and psychology."
Would you care giving some examples?
"It's ambitious because it tries to not explain things like how the psycho pass hues work and all. It feels very gimmicky, cheap and convenient to me."
It feels cheap and convenient indeed, but I don't think its a case where it should be extremely elaborated. As a watcher, we aren't supposed to know everything beforehand, but to discover little by little just like the characters does (in contrast to SEL and Ghost Hound that provides plenty of information about different topics and develops each episode through those concepts)
"An author who writes sci-fi should have a sound knowledge on technology and all, or at least explain it in a convincing manner."
One should have enough knowledge, but explanations are not necessarily required. It doesn't mean its bad or harmful, but sometimes its indifferent and thats how it goes for some situations in the show.
"It's very ambitious presenting themes that the author himself didn't fully understand. "
Which themes the author didn't understand?
"Superior works? Tons of them. Almost every above average anime is better than Psycho Pass."
Oi mate! I'm kind of expecting your reply over one of my replies to you, which I think it got lost in the middle of the posts
surfboard_ said: Is this the "educator" posture you claimed to have in other posts? What about you going ahead and expose your own opinion on it?
For me, every substantial thing is dilluted on the generic setting. What does this mean? It isnt there to impress or to put the audience into a reflective posture. Theres little malice between the scenes, little symbolism and the poetic scenario and mood we see on it are mostly mood-setting, holding little substance. In the very end, its just your average anime where you watch, enjoy and delete right after finishing or put on your shelf, if you happend to buy the BD in the future.
In adition, you said Psycho-Pass is a little overrated, what makes you think that? And what are the superior works I'm neglecting?
Classical music have been a lot easier to obtain and to attend to (in case of events), but the very nature of it is quite elite. You don't need to be understand anything of music to enjoy, but it doesn't mean that you'll miss more than half of the enjoyment someone well informed have. Thats the very nature of art music, you have to study to get it.
Competitions offers prizes and thats the very purpose of it. It's also an oportunity for self acknowledgment, criticism, avaliation and to know what the others think of you (if you care about that).
"I don't think every single person in the audience would have classically trained ears to be able to judge on interpretations". Events related to classical music was traditionally something reserved for the elite, and a good part of it knew enough about music to judge it however they wanted.
"Like Kousei said, it's okay if it was a recital." That might be the only case where musicians like Kaori would be totally okay.
"Some people are just casual. If they like what they hear they like it and they don't care if it's right or wrong." Thats true, but this comment always make me think on the incident of the premiere of Le Sacre du Printemps, and its funny to think that eventually people can really go mad if something isn't pleasing your "classically trained ears".
Good to know you have a musical background, then there's nothing else I have to talk about. I felt like criticizing (which its nothing but a way to develop/shape opinions) part of your thoughts because you literally sounded like you got too carried away by the animation. But it could also be that I just can't feel this show properly... it has yet to get good if the director and production allows it.
"... the reason for her shivering and nervousness wasn't explicitly mentioned" Thats right, but you know, sometimes only a person that understands a certain area can understand well what this or that thing means. I've been involved with music for a large part of my life, and this kind of situation is something extremely usual for everyone, literally. Maybe you have to be one to understand how it goes.
"It's quite funny how she doesn't care about winning yet goes around asking people how was her playing. It somehow contradicts." Its not a contradition because she didn't meant to win. She just wanted people to enjoy her playstyle and what they thinks about her ideas (which somewhat reminds of Schubert). The situation that happened in this series is something extremely unlikely to happen, but then anime is exactly something made to surpass the notion of reality and bring out whats stored inside your mind and heart.
If you wonder what is the meaning of winning that competition, it is to be able to coherently reproduce the composer's ideas while you impose yours (thats where dinamic and technique takes place). You questioned whats the point of it if you can't touch the audience's heart. I think you were fooled by the anime in this aspect, because a classical performance works in a different way from any other show. Nobody wants to know if you are innovative or knows this or that, they want to hear the composer's piece. It's only natural to feel irritated if you get some violinist like Kaori to ruin your favorite music. The animation tricks the audience to naturally think Kaori's performance is stunning and its easy to feel like that because before her turn, all the other interpretations were poorly/soulessly executed, with notable mistakes on the tempo side and flaws on the technique of each performer, not to mention the poor animation of 1 picture for performer. When its Kaori's turn, everything becomes lively, along her strong and quirky performance, so we naturally get "pumped up" and easily forget about how the others performance was like.
On the other hand, the manipulative trick is kind of necessary to bring the question of the musician's feeling and desires when playing something... it's a good thing to pass through the audience that little knows about music to notice that such feelings are relevant and its worth to be reflected on.
Hey, I read your review on Shigatsu (the second ep) and I thought I could answer your questioning on "And why was Kaori shivering. Was it due to the music? Or was it that she was really nervous to know what Kousei thought. It wasn’t said and left up to interpretation. Gosh, all these amazing poetic scenes."
This is a natural reaction for people that deal with art (painters, musicians, writers, ...). You did acknowledge that Kaori's take (for me, a rape) on that fragment of the Sonata no.9 was done on purpose and reflect her feelings in that piece. At the moment you make modifications, you're kind of recreating something, so you can in a sense assume its also yours. The fact that she was shivering its due to her selfish side. She wants to feed her ego and have approval, so this is a cenario where negative impressions really make you go down; If you wonder "why do people insist on asking this kind of thing", its because every artist praise what they do and want people around to praise it together. "It wasn’t said and left up to interpretation", now you know this is something related to the artist's mentality.
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Would you care giving some examples?
"It's ambitious because it tries to not explain things like how the psycho pass hues work and all. It feels very gimmicky, cheap and convenient to me."
It feels cheap and convenient indeed, but I don't think its a case where it should be extremely elaborated. As a watcher, we aren't supposed to know everything beforehand, but to discover little by little just like the characters does (in contrast to SEL and Ghost Hound that provides plenty of information about different topics and develops each episode through those concepts)
"An author who writes sci-fi should have a sound knowledge on technology and all, or at least explain it in a convincing manner."
One should have enough knowledge, but explanations are not necessarily required. It doesn't mean its bad or harmful, but sometimes its indifferent and thats how it goes for some situations in the show.
"It's very ambitious presenting themes that the author himself didn't fully understand. "
Which themes the author didn't understand?
"Superior works? Tons of them. Almost every above average anime is better than Psycho Pass."
Name it.
If you have time, you could consider taking a look at this article (http://www.academia.edu/7437016/The_Panoptic_Sibyl_System_and_the_Dystopia_in_Gen_Urobuchi_s_Psycho_Pass_Journal_), it could enlighten you on the show.
I noticed you dropped Evangelion, don't you like psychological drama?
Is this the "educator" posture you claimed to have in other posts? What about you going ahead and expose your own opinion on it?
For me, every substantial thing is dilluted on the generic setting. What does this mean? It isnt there to impress or to put the audience into a reflective posture. Theres little malice between the scenes, little symbolism and the poetic scenario and mood we see on it are mostly mood-setting, holding little substance. In the very end, its just your average anime where you watch, enjoy and delete right after finishing or put on your shelf, if you happend to buy the BD in the future.
In adition, you said Psycho-Pass is a little overrated, what makes you think that? And what are the superior works I'm neglecting?
"I don't think every single person in the audience would have classically trained ears to be able to judge on interpretations". Events related to classical music was traditionally something reserved for the elite, and a good part of it knew enough about music to judge it however they wanted.
"Like Kousei said, it's okay if it was a recital." That might be the only case where musicians like Kaori would be totally okay.
"Some people are just casual. If they like what they hear they like it and they don't care if it's right or wrong." Thats true, but this comment always make me think on the incident of the premiere of Le Sacre du Printemps, and its funny to think that eventually people can really go mad if something isn't pleasing your "classically trained ears".
Good to know you have a musical background, then there's nothing else I have to talk about. I felt like criticizing (which its nothing but a way to develop/shape opinions) part of your thoughts because you literally sounded like you got too carried away by the animation. But it could also be that I just can't feel this show properly... it has yet to get good if the director and production allows it.
"It's quite funny how she doesn't care about winning yet goes around asking people how was her playing. It somehow contradicts." Its not a contradition because she didn't meant to win. She just wanted people to enjoy her playstyle and what they thinks about her ideas (which somewhat reminds of Schubert). The situation that happened in this series is something extremely unlikely to happen, but then anime is exactly something made to surpass the notion of reality and bring out whats stored inside your mind and heart.
If you wonder what is the meaning of winning that competition, it is to be able to coherently reproduce the composer's ideas while you impose yours (thats where dinamic and technique takes place). You questioned whats the point of it if you can't touch the audience's heart. I think you were fooled by the anime in this aspect, because a classical performance works in a different way from any other show. Nobody wants to know if you are innovative or knows this or that, they want to hear the composer's piece. It's only natural to feel irritated if you get some violinist like Kaori to ruin your favorite music. The animation tricks the audience to naturally think Kaori's performance is stunning and its easy to feel like that because before her turn, all the other interpretations were poorly/soulessly executed, with notable mistakes on the tempo side and flaws on the technique of each performer, not to mention the poor animation of 1 picture for performer. When its Kaori's turn, everything becomes lively, along her strong and quirky performance, so we naturally get "pumped up" and easily forget about how the others performance was like.
On the other hand, the manipulative trick is kind of necessary to bring the question of the musician's feeling and desires when playing something... it's a good thing to pass through the audience that little knows about music to notice that such feelings are relevant and its worth to be reflected on.
This is a natural reaction for people that deal with art (painters, musicians, writers, ...). You did acknowledge that Kaori's take (for me, a rape) on that fragment of the Sonata no.9 was done on purpose and reflect her feelings in that piece. At the moment you make modifications, you're kind of recreating something, so you can in a sense assume its also yours. The fact that she was shivering its due to her selfish side. She wants to feed her ego and have approval, so this is a cenario where negative impressions really make you go down; If you wonder "why do people insist on asking this kind of thing", its because every artist praise what they do and want people around to praise it together. "It wasn’t said and left up to interpretation", now you know this is something related to the artist's mentality.