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| Rika might be having some sort of self doubt. I'm not surprised since she gave that initial impression with her personality. Hope she can smile more as watching her expressions this episode was rough. Episode had a mixture of drama and comedy. They made Shinshi look like a fool at times LOL. |
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| The new girl already has a habit of appearing in cliffhangers making me wonder what her role will be accept spicing things up. Episode mostly about divorce is heavy but it's a part of marriage hopefully one most people will encounter. It's also sad for the boy seeing his parents like that. And it tells a bit more about Rika's behaviour. |
| Cancellations begone! You know, i always was wondering why and how did Hideo Kojima ended up the way he is, but seeing his backstory in todays episode gave me a good example of what exactly happened to him. The guys still a genius tho. |
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| Divorce does a lot to someone, not really sure turning into a gorilla is one of those though. I feel bad for the kid most of all though. I won't sit here and act like I experienced a divorce myself, but I've seen other around me experience it and what it does to them, and it's not something happy at all. I mean, from the looks of it, Honjouji seems to be a prime example of what divorce could do to a child. We were focusing on Honjouji and Oohara for so long now that I completely forgot about the others, so I'm glad they're giving them a chance n the spotlight, but I do hope we get some more screentime with Honjouji and Oohara because at the moment at least, the "relationship" isn't looking too good. |
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| My heart breaks for the kid having too see his parents head for divorce but it was real sweet seeing Rika comfort him. |
| The cancle chant sure was funny. Awefully odd for such a model employee to go MIA. But i guess marriage problems would cause even that. Wonder is the Deep sea bar another name for the bar of the depressed. Glad that things were resolved but hope that the differences can be resolved without getting to the divorce stage. |
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| Takuya, do not spend all your energy fretting over how the relationship is. 1. Just give a a small quantum to establish you current starting point, 2. Spend a bit more effort to decide where you want it to go, 3. Invest the most effort into making it go from 1. to 2. "It has feng shui for depressed dudes." There is some demand for such places. More like a chimpanzee than a gorilla. |
| Lord Cruelty V "But my Dreams they're not as empty, as my conscience seems to be" |
| the hot tanned tomboy childhood friend reappears... |
| For a show that’s supposed to be about a cute workplace romance this got pretty dark, but I appreciate they’re showing the double edged sword that is marriage. On one hand it’s this extremely happy time where you find the person or your dreams and on the other, you’re only a week or so from it all going downhill and ending. Shinshi’s divorce was really hard to see play out and I’m not gonna fault him at all for the way he reacted. You’re on top of the world one day and then rock bottom the next. Not to mention the impact it has on the kids involved like Hideo :/ Good thing Rika and Ohara were able to empathise with him and help keep Hideo company during this time. Sad, but real part of life Actually pretty cool to hear an adult workplace convo on men taking care of chores around the house instead of just giving presents to keep women happy every now and again lol. Having adult characters in anime is so nice. Does suck seeing Rika so sad because she thinks Ohara isn’t into her :/ but it’s cute that she still stops at the bookstore to get maps! Ohara’s Childhood friend is here!?? Can’t wait for next ep. |
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| Is it true that anime only have the two types of females... First, the females that only care about their own feelings, disregarding the males feelings, saying things like 'I'll do anything to make him love me", causing all kinds of problems for everyone, especially the male Second, the females that don't even know how the male feels but still gives up saying, "Oh I see, I am just in the way, he likes someone else, I should leave him alone", when there is no evidence for anything they are saying, causing problems for the guy she likes anyways I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though Can't they write a good level headed female character that likes the guy and also considers his own feelings, without going insane, bit fights for him fair and square, when there is a rival? |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| This episode didn't really work... I have no idea who this Shinshi guy is and I don't see a reason to care about him. He just showed up this episode with a homemade lunch and then immediately crashed out. Turning him into a gorilla was just much too ridiculous and not very funny. I think they got worried that this might turn way too dark and depressing, but it went too far in the opposite direction and turned the whole situation into a farce. There's a bar that "depressed men go to"?? Is this a thing in Japan? How would a happy-go-lucky guy like Shinshi know about it? Why would he specifically go to that bar, when he's probably never been there before and there are literally thousands of bars in Tokyo? And what are the odds that the country girl would just run into Honjouji by chance, in Tokyo of all places... It was a little frustrating to see Honjouji basically do nothing for the entire episode and Oohara just refuse to talk to her. I guess they're going to drag this out a bit. |
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Is it true that anime only have the two types of females...
First, the females that only care about their own feelings, disregarding the males feelings, saying things like 'I'll do anything to make him love me", causing all kinds of problems for everyone, especially the male
Second, the females that don't even know how the male feels but still gives up saying, "Oh I see, I am just in the way, he likes someone else, I should leave him alone", when there is no evidence for anything they are saying, causing problems for the guy she likes anyways
I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though
Can't they write a good level headed female character that likes the guy and also considers his own feelings, without going insane, bit fights for him fair and square, when there is a rival?
First, the females that only care about their own feelings, disregarding the males feelings, saying things like 'I'll do anything to make him love me", causing all kinds of problems for everyone, especially the male
Second, the females that don't even know how the male feels but still gives up saying, "Oh I see, I am just in the way, he likes someone else, I should leave him alone", when there is no evidence for anything they are saying, causing problems for the guy she likes anyways
I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though
Can't they write a good level headed female character that likes the guy and also considers his own feelings, without going insane, bit fights for him fair and square, when there is a rival?
ejleon said: I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though Very low self-esteem and zero relationship experience? We've only ever seen her holed up at home with her maps; it doesn't look like she's had many friends. We see her "switch off" this episode, which seems to be a coping mechanism since her childhood to deal with loneliness. She has also repeatedly admitted that she doesn't understand romance and that there's nothing charming about her. If another girl appears and is friendly, she loses automatically, obviously. The guy's no better than the girl. He seems completely incapable of reaching out to people and dealing with a situation, the only exception being properly talking to his family last episode. He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air. It's made worse by the fact that their "agreement" is explicitly about not having a "real" relationship. If they were just co-workers hanging out together under normal circumstances, it might not have been this bad. I think the way they're acting is pretty understandable (and relatable, sadly), but I will give you that it's getting a little annoying. |
perseii said: ejleon said: I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though Very low self-esteem and zero relationship experience? We've only ever seen her holed up at home with her maps; it doesn't look like she's had many friends. We see her "switch off" this episode, which seems to be a coping mechanism since her childhood to deal with loneliness. She has also repeatedly admitted that she doesn't understand romance and that there's nothing charming about her. If another girl appears and is friendly, she loses automatically, obviously. The guy's no better than the girl. He seems completely incapable of reaching out to people and dealing with a situation, the only exception being properly talking to his family last episode. He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air. It's made worse by the fact that their "agreement" is explicitly about not having a "real" relationship. If they were just co-workers hanging out together under normal circumstances, it might not have been this bad. I think the way they're acting is pretty understandable (and relatable, sadly), but I will give you that it's getting a little annoying. This is what I read, “Only he is at fault, she did nothing wrong because of her childhood trauma”. You didn’t pay attention to what I said at all. You are also totally reading into the situation your own feelings. Following the anime’s story… She is being self-concerned, “I don’t want to get hurt” so I will “shut off”, this does not show concern or care for the male MC at all, “I want to protect myself from any pain”, she is suffering but it is self-oriented, not selfless, and it is not what the male MC is dealing with. He did notice right away that she changed on the plane and further, he made an effort on the plane to talk with little progress, he greets her in the morning to see her reactions, he is watching her all the time, mean while, hating himself for not having the experience and knowledge to deal with this situation and her distancing herself from him, that shows concern and care for her, wanting to fix the situation after thinking they had just got closer, even when he helps with carrying the canoe his thoughts are about how to address their situation, but not knowing how, he is suffering in pain because of what she is doing to him and caring about her. How can someone watch this show and not feel bad for the male MC for what he has had to deal with, then blame him for the female MC illogically deciding to distance herself, based on imaginary scenarios in her own head, that has no observable evidence beyond two hometown friends seeing each other after a long time. I can’t stand this attitude “It is always the guy’s fault”, even when the evidence rejects this premise, that is biased and unfair. |
ejleonNov 7, 3:28 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| Getting married is THE biggest mistake a man can ever make. It's very romanticized in our society, but the reality is women can on a switch just decide that they don't love you anymore. At that point they take half ur shit, and can easily gain full custody of your kid(s) if you have them. Unless the woman is blatantly deplorable, the court system will 99/100 give the kids to the mother. Of course Marriage isn't a 100% guarantee to living happily ever after forever. But It really seems like, divorce rates are extremely high in todays age, with about 75% of them being initiated by the wife. I'd like to think a lot of those cases is like this episode, where the wife just doesn't communicate at all, and suddenly throws the divorce papers on your dinner table randomly one night. Honestly not a great episode. This anime has presented itself as being a very chill/goofy rom com anime, but suddenly throwing in realism into the mix is just jarring. |
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perseii said:
Very low self-esteem and zero relationship experience? We've only ever seen her holed up at home with her maps; it doesn't look like she's had many friends. We see her "switch off" this episode, which seems to be a coping mechanism since her childhood to deal with loneliness. She has also repeatedly admitted that she doesn't understand romance and that there's nothing charming about her. If another girl appears and is friendly, she loses automatically, obviously.
The guy's no better than the girl. He seems completely incapable of reaching out to people and dealing with a situation, the only exception being properly talking to his family last episode. He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air.
It's made worse by the fact that their "agreement" is explicitly about not having a "real" relationship. If they were just co-workers hanging out together under normal circumstances, it might not have been this bad.
I think the way they're acting is pretty understandable (and relatable, sadly), but I will give you that it's getting a little annoying.
ejleon said:
I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though
I can't stand how they made Rika act like the second, when all she did was see a childhood friend interact with Takuya, she never even asked or found out how he feels, so it is still self-oriented, just a little different than the first, they are not insane about it though
Very low self-esteem and zero relationship experience? We've only ever seen her holed up at home with her maps; it doesn't look like she's had many friends. We see her "switch off" this episode, which seems to be a coping mechanism since her childhood to deal with loneliness. She has also repeatedly admitted that she doesn't understand romance and that there's nothing charming about her. If another girl appears and is friendly, she loses automatically, obviously.
The guy's no better than the girl. He seems completely incapable of reaching out to people and dealing with a situation, the only exception being properly talking to his family last episode. He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air.
It's made worse by the fact that their "agreement" is explicitly about not having a "real" relationship. If they were just co-workers hanging out together under normal circumstances, it might not have been this bad.
I think the way they're acting is pretty understandable (and relatable, sadly), but I will give you that it's getting a little annoying.
This is what I read, “Only he is at fault, she did nothing wrong because of her childhood trauma”.
You didn’t pay attention to what I said at all.
You are also totally reading into the situation your own feelings.
Following the anime’s story…
She is being self-concerned, “I don’t want to get hurt” so I will “shut off”, this does not show concern or care for the male MC at all, “I want to protect myself from any pain”, she is suffering but it is self-oriented, not selfless, and it is not what the male MC is dealing with.
He did notice right away that she changed on the plane and further, he made an effort on the plane to talk with little progress, he greets her in the morning to see her reactions, he is watching her all the time, mean while, hating himself for not having the experience and knowledge to deal with this situation and her distancing herself from him, that shows concern and care for her, wanting to fix the situation after thinking they had just got closer, even when he helps with carrying the canoe his thoughts are about how to address their situation, but not knowing how, he is suffering in pain because of what she is doing to him and caring about her.
How can someone watch this show and not feel bad for the male MC for what he has had to deal with, then blame him for the female MC illogically deciding to distance herself, based on imaginary scenarios in her own head, that has no observable evidence beyond two hometown friends seeing each other after a long time.
I can’t stand this attitude “It is always the guy’s fault”, even when the evidence rejects this premise, that is biased and unfair.
| @ejleon You are "reading into [my comment] your own feelings," as you put it. I never said "only he is at fault," I said he also has his issues. I sympathize that Oohara is feeling anxious and concerned about the situation, but in the end he still failed to say anything. This doesn't make him a bad person, but it's just not helpful to the situation, and to me also a little annoying to watch. Also, I never said "she did nothing wrong," I do think she's doing it wrong. I was just giving my thoughts on why she isn't talking to him, which makes me a tiny bit less annoyed. You have a good point on Honjouji acting this way ultimately to protect herself. |
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@ejleon You are "reading into [my comment] your own feelings," as you put it.
I never said "only he is at fault," I said he also has his issues.
I sympathize that Oohara is feeling anxious and concerned about the situation, but in the end he still failed to say anything. This doesn't make him a bad person, but it's just not helpful to the situation, and to me also a little annoying to watch.
Also, I never said "she did nothing wrong," I do think she's doing it wrong. I was just giving my thoughts on why she isn't talking to him, which makes me a tiny bit less annoyed. You have a good point on Honjouji acting this way ultimately to protect herself.
I never said "only he is at fault," I said he also has his issues.
I sympathize that Oohara is feeling anxious and concerned about the situation, but in the end he still failed to say anything. This doesn't make him a bad person, but it's just not helpful to the situation, and to me also a little annoying to watch.
Also, I never said "she did nothing wrong," I do think she's doing it wrong. I was just giving my thoughts on why she isn't talking to him, which makes me a tiny bit less annoyed. You have a good point on Honjouji acting this way ultimately to protect herself.
| @perseii Ok, then I sincerely apologize to you, I rushed into that impulsively, not having enough patience to just ask you what you meant before accusing you. If you are willing, I will calm down, read and discuss respectfully, and I am sorry that did not do that from the start. In your first comment, I did not see you say anything about what she did to add to causing the current situation between them, then you said ... "He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air." ... which caused me to think that you are putting all the blame on him, so I will ask you, what do you mean by this? You are right, her lack of experience with relationships and her awful childhood trauma are playing a significant role in how she is reacting now, but isn't she also deluding herself and closing herself off, because a potential female rival shows herself, even though there is no evidence of anything romantic going on between them, this is all just in her head. Not that rewatched some parts, I realized there were more opportunities than I remembered, so yes, I agree, that so far he has failed to man up and push himself to just address her about what is wrong or causing her act like this and to distance herself from him. Now that that female rival has arrived asking for help, I wonder if she will find something out about their friendship, or about the rivals feelings and thoughts. What do you think? |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| It’s a shame to see poor Hideo trying to fix his parents’ situation without understanding anything—poor kid. I think both Shinshi and his wife are at fault here: Shinshi for being so selfish, demanding, and emotionally dependent, and his wife for not communicating her issues and bottling everything up. When Shinshi mentioned they never argued, it was clear she also has some responsibility. Hopefully, they go to couples therapy, and Hideo ends up alright. George has started speaking and understands the situation perfectly; he’s like the voice of experience in person. It’s frustrating that both Honjoji and Oohara assume they’re avoiding each other when they’re actually eager to talk but don’t know how. Now that Oohara’s friend is back, I hope she helps get those two talking again. |
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| divorce is pain, not that i've experienced it lol. nice episode. |
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| Oof, this episode hurt my heart so much, I was genuinely crying. Crying for Honjoji because I know the feeling of shutting yourself off and shutting people you care about out when something shatters your view of them, which I know she developed from her unstable childhood. Crying for the little boy who has to endure parents who are going through traumatic feelings and neglecting him. Crying for Taiki because he genuinely has no idea why his girl is so reserved and shut off and not understanding why anyone would get married, and his own fraught relationship with his dad. This is too real, ouchππ’ |
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@perseii Ok, then I sincerely apologize to you, I rushed into that impulsively, not having enough patience to just ask you what you meant before accusing you. If you are willing, I will calm down, read and discuss respectfully, and I am sorry that did not do that from the start.
In your first comment, I did not see you say anything about what she did to add to causing the current situation between them, then you said ...
"He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air."
... which caused me to think that you are putting all the blame on him, so I will ask you, what do you mean by this?
You are right, her lack of experience with relationships and her awful childhood trauma are playing a significant role in how she is reacting now, but isn't she also deluding herself and closing herself off, because a potential female rival shows herself, even though there is no evidence of anything romantic going on between them, this is all just in her head.
Not that rewatched some parts, I realized there were more opportunities than I remembered, so yes, I agree, that so far he has failed to man up and push himself to just address her about what is wrong or causing her act like this and to distance herself from him.
Now that that female rival has arrived asking for help, I wonder if she will find something out about their friendship, or about the rivals feelings and thoughts.
What do you think?
In your first comment, I did not see you say anything about what she did to add to causing the current situation between them, then you said ...
"He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air."
... which caused me to think that you are putting all the blame on him, so I will ask you, what do you mean by this?
You are right, her lack of experience with relationships and her awful childhood trauma are playing a significant role in how she is reacting now, but isn't she also deluding herself and closing herself off, because a potential female rival shows herself, even though there is no evidence of anything romantic going on between them, this is all just in her head.
Not that rewatched some parts, I realized there were more opportunities than I remembered, so yes, I agree, that so far he has failed to man up and push himself to just address her about what is wrong or causing her act like this and to distance herself from him.
Now that that female rival has arrived asking for help, I wonder if she will find something out about their friendship, or about the rivals feelings and thoughts.
What do you think?
ejleon said: In your first comment, I did not see you say anything about what she did to add to causing the current situation between them, then you said ... "He noticed her change in attitude almost immediately, but still didn't bother to ask her what's going on and try to clear the air." ... which caused me to think that you are putting all the blame on him, so I will ask you, what do you mean by this? I guess my initial reply kind of sounds like I'm defending her... My bad, in that respect. I didn't feel the need to elaborate on her actions specifically, because you had already talked about what makes her behavior problematic. Yes, she is deluding herself. But I'm not sure if she is "self-serving," consciously, anyway. She probably thinks she's doing this for him. Regarding my complaint about Oohara, you put it pretty well, that he "failed to man up and push himself" to actually talk to her. If I have to pick a side, then sure, Honjouji is the bigger problem here, and Oohara is just trying (and failing) to do anything about it. It was just mildly annoying to see him bite his tongue throughout the entire episode. I'm pretty confident that they'll clear this up in an episode or two. The new girl will probably give Honjouji some perspective so that she can patch things up with Oohara. I don't expect there to be anything romantic between the new girl and Oohara... Not sure if I want to see that here, actually. It doesn't seem like that kind of show. |
| A lot of Drama until Best Girl showed up! I'm betting she'll be the catalyst for our two MC's to get back on track! |
| "Genki is Life, Genki is Love" |
| This episode is my favorite so far (despite how many seem to hate it). It IS jarring that after so many episodes of wholesomeness, we are hit with such a sad episode (and the MCs barely interact). But that's how life can be sometimes; you think everything is perfect and it will stay like that forever, yet in an instant it's all collapsing. It makes you think, is that happiness really worth if most likely it will only be temporary? I'm either overthinking this or they will explore that idea more. (I hope it's the second) Note: The gorilla scene was goofy and probably an attempt to lighten the mood of the episode. I would have gone all in on the darkness, but at least what comes after makes the scene more sad than funny for me. (I'm talking about "No, I don't want to go home. If I do misery is waiting for me. I want to be a gorilla. I've had enough of being a human.") |
| After how relatively upbeat and wholesome the last episode was I wasn't expecting this episode to be about divorce of all things... This was a depressing watch. Seeing a guy so happy and then breaking completely (albeit the gorilla part was goofy and completely unnecessary). I feel the worst about the kid. No kid should go through this. Rika being the prime example of what might happen to a kid in the future if they go through something like this. Her "switch off" mode is sad... I hope it's all just a misunderstanding and Shinshi won't actually get divorced. If he does, I'd like to know what exactly made his wife take such a drastic measure. Surely it can't be cause of making bentos for him... Seems like the childhood friend will become a recurring character from the next episode. I hope she'll help Rika come out of her shell. |
| Wtf is this episode? So random... |
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| Sadly divorce is a part of marriage too... but it transformed that guy into a gorilla, that's tough lol |
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| The episode is supposed to be sad but the gorilla thing is hilarious. It's a comic relief until our OTP confront their feelings hopefully by next episode. |
| I don't know the whole picture between the side character married couple, but from what little info they gave, I'm putting more of the blame on to the guy's wife. Going from how happy he was literally a day prior, I would assume that she keeps everything bottled up and never talks to him about what's on her mind. But who knows, maybe he snores and farts in bed so bad it smells like rotten eggs and just can't stand it anymore after a decade of smelling his farts...for all we know. Still, what a terrible time to drop a nuke on the guy near their anniversary and put their son through that sort of trauma. Selfish. |
| Today, Rika acted very cold, back to her past self. She didn't even look at Takuya at all. All day she continued like this. One day, Shinshi (the JTC model) disappeared. He wasn't at home, he wasn't at the office either. Maybe this was because of Shinshi's fight with his wife, which then made his wife ask for a divorce. Shinshi's son, Hideo, came to the JTC office to look for his father, but as previously stated, his father wasn't at the office either. George then told Takuya to accompany Hideo to look for his father, who knows where. After searching for hours, they finally found Shinshi. He was at a bar known as a place for depressed men. There, he looked so depressed and sad about what happened to his life. Previously, his family relationship was very good, but because of that one fight, his life was ruined. |
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| Bros marriage life got canceled instead of the reservations. What marriage does to a man smh. Rika also went back to cold self. |
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