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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- WHY HAYATO, WHY!?!?!?!??!? That sucked. Why'd they have to kill him off? Could have given him a better death too, jeez. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Yeah that really pissed me off. He went through the entire first MSG, then Zeta, only to die ... like that? His death was really anticlimatic and felt a bit pointless. -_- |
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| Agreed. Hayato, being one of the very original characters aboard the White Base crew, deserved a much cooler death than that. That was a little disappointing. |
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| GAH HAYATO!!!!!! |
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| Absolutely the best ep of ZZ so far. D@mn! Hayato is gone? All this b/c the Federation is so sh*tty. This ep saddened me & pissed me off @ the same time. |
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| Wtf man, I can't believe Hayato died, it really was a sad death, but I don't think it was pointless... unffortunately people die in unexpected and simples ways. It was still a heavy los... too heavy... |
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| The falling colony was brutal~ Intense episode in every aspect. I loved how they focused on Kamille a bit. But why the hell did they have to kill Hayato?!.... Poor Fraw Bow, she lost Katz and how Hayato too.... This is getting darker and darker~ |
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| =O Hayato!!? Nooo!! The destroyed my Capital... Cunts. |
| Damn, Hayato should not have died! He could become a very important piece of this series. Well, too bad... It was sad when he saw Katz's room. Poor Fraw Bow :/ Kamille appearing was nice, I hope he backs to piloting. |
| which do you think is more evil? poison gassing a whole colony or doing a colony drop? |
| Hayoto's death probably wasn't pointless, but it did seem a little rushed. And the apoclypse has begun.. |
| Good episode, i'd say the best one so far. Ughhh, the 0079 White Base members dwindling in numbers. Then the colony drop, a brutal final straw. |
| I hear you, Katz. - R.I.P Hayato UC 0088 ;__; In other news, that Kamille newtype moment in the beginning was awesome. Every episode keeps surprising me. I'm already feeling like rewatching Zeta. xD |
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| did i accidentally turn on an episode of zeta gundam. Id have to go for the best episode yet side of the argument, i really enjoyed this episode, it was ballsy and while yes i do think hayato deserved a much more epic death especially since he was going to blow himself up which would had been really epic, it did get an emotional response from me especially with his final word. I feel so bad for frau and her kids. This also means hayato never got to see his biological kid be born. its very tragic. The colony actually falling and destroying the city was shocking and well done and acts as a nice contrast to zeta where they were actually able to prevent that, not in this. ZZ has really improved in my eyes over the past 12 episodes. I hope it keeps it up. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Calling bullshit on the colony drop and how small of an impact it had. Poor Hayato; I agree with others, there was no reason for him to die and in such a way too. It felt cheap. I did like the nice touches to the references of the White Base and Amuro. It's too bad they don't do more of that. Anyways, good episode. |
| Amazing episode! Definitely one of the best! Tbh i was kinda disappointed Fa is taking Kamille someplace with no wars, but then again he already has been through a lot, his family dying, his lovers, sister dying. Still i wondered how Amuro has coped in all of this?! Then again in Zeta Gundam, he was in hiatus for 7 or 9 years i think? Even Char still managed to cope both wars(so where is he anyways?!) When i saw Kamille talked to Judau and everyone. Man that was an amazing moment! It's like Kamille is leaving everything to them to help stop the war. I feel as he's passing the torch to Judau. I hope Judau won't fail Kamille's wish. Wtf Hayato dying like that. At least show Katz as a flashback when he died!?! RIP Hayato. At least Gundam ZZ isn't shy on killing everyone on the spot at anytime. When Judau became mad and started destroying everything, it reminded me of Kamille!! Even the music was the same as Zeta as well!! Why can't everyone live together!?! I lol'd when Judau said "How can you be in the war and not be mad?!?!" So true! Though it kinda reminded me of one of the phrases Kamille would say XD Damn the colony fell down!!! I actually thought Kamille and Fa where in that area, but there were actually in the other side of the island. When Kamille turned on the corner, it look like Sayla or Beltorchika!!!!  I do agree the impact should be more, like the waves reaching towards Kamille. I really hope Kamille comes back! We need him! Even Amuro is in space fighting. Great stuff!! Glad Gundam ZZ is getting better by the episodes!! Can't wait for the next episode! |
| What lameness. Why could the Mega Cannon not be used? |
| It's apparent that even the federations higher ups are selling out to neo zeon damn scumbags . Glad bright didn't just let argama get dismantled stood up for what he believe in and end up organizing with Hayato to at least save a few civilians from the colony drop . Is Hayato really dead? Damn Kamille isn't quite back yet mentally seems to be getting there though |
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| Damn, first Katz, and now Hayato. Fraw, Letz, and Kikka are gonna be heartbroken. Hayato never got to meet the baby Fraw was pregnant with in Zeta either. I'm a bit confused about the impact of the colony. Considering how huge it is, shouldn't it have caused a lot more damage? How is Fa gonna track down Kamille too? As cool as it was seeing him drawn to the colony drop, I'm a bit confused/concerned as to why Fa didn't immediately set out after him, even though she was in the middle of eavesdropping on some assholes at the airport. |
| So, we Zeta now Can't believe Hayato died like that: feels cheap considering he had the occasion to literally go out with a bang by blowing himself up. I know the writers were trying to highlight how pointless Judau's desperate efforts to save everyone were, but it really seems like a wasted opportunity. It always hurts to see members of the old White Base crew go, though. Other than that I'd say it was definitely the best episode yet: every time Kamille appeared I felt a sharp stinging pain in my kokoro: having him witness this tragedy was just plain wrong, especially now that his newtype senses multiply tenfold the pain he feels from the suffering of the victims. Damn I'm still mad at Tomino for fucking him up like that. That colony drop was brutal. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Great episode for the tension and sense of danger, Judau's failure à la Zeta, Hayato's pointless death like it happens in any war... Then came the colony... I was surprised because I was expecting them to flee hours away from the impact center and everyone was still hanging around. And that's when... So... hu?! that's it?? The anime cheated me into thinking it would be a tragic event who would change the world's face like the ones in 0079 or in 0083 (not sure if this one is official): blowing everything kilometers away, reducing the world population,.. 5/5 until the impact. 3/5 The end of the episode was so disappointing it damaged it. |
Rei_IIIApr 22, 2019 6:54 AM
| Strong episode for the most part. |
Nezperdian said: Attacking a boat full of refugees that they can't defend themselves... how much of a scum you must be for that... Strong episode. I felt a knot in my throat the entire time. If it wasn't clear that Neo Zeon are vile motherfuckers before this, it's clear now - not just doing a Colony Drop, but making sure civilians can't escape. |
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| Hey, remember that totally gnarly thing you've heard about since 0079? The thing that took a huge chunk out of Australia? Well, it's actually just a tiny fizzle of an explosion instead of a mega nuke. |
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| F*ck that why Hayato has to die why he didn’t took a mobile suit? I know if Amuro was there then it would have prevented Hayato's death but where the F is he? Poor Fraw, she lost her husband & child in this ongoing conflict... On a side note: That new Zaku model was slick AF |
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| Amazing episode. This arc has been so great and it was definitely worth getting through the earlier episodes. |
| Hayato is gone! I can't believe it. And Dublin has been wiped off the map, along with most of its people. Neo Zeon needs to be destroyed. |
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| Wow, I didn't see that one coming. The second half of the series had some pretty intense episodes. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Dublin was completely destroyed by the colony drop. Neo Zeon stopped civilians from escaping by destroying all forms of exit from Dublin just to prove a point that they are in power. Earth Federation is corrupt and doesn't do anything to help anymore, they said it would be okay for the colony to drop so they won't have as many mouths to feed. That Hayato death was cheap and so rushed... so you bring him back, a character from White Base just to kill him off in such an anti-climactic way? Atleast he is with Katz again but still... wtf? |
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| Why did Kamille had 2 roses in a vase? Even number of flowers is only used to commemorate dead people, afaik. Amuro went to space? :0 I want to see him! And finally Hayato is confirmed to be aware of his son's death Iino pronounced his full name for the first time, again, during launching I cried when Kamille started talking ;_; Judau's heartwarming moment with Ple was so touching, I almost expected him to kiss her in the forehead before leaving xD "The sky is falling!" - I still remember that line from Zeta Poor Hayato ;_; He joined his son. I actually expected the colony to do more damage (like during the previous colony drops) The politicians of Earth Federation are the worst, together with Neo Zeon. When I heard their talk in the airport, I really wanted Judau to come up and do what he does best. Rei_III said: So... hu?! that's it?? The anime cheated me into thinking it would be a tragic event who would change the world's face like the ones in 0079 or in 0083 (not sure if this one is official): blowing everything kilometers away, reducing the world population,.. I think it depends on *how* exactly the colony drops. In 0079, the colony split into several parts, so each one had less mass then the entire colony and acted more like a meteorite, causing more destruction because of more concentrated impact. An intact colony doesn't seem to have the same destructive power, it sticked into the city like a giant bottle in sand and didn't "blow up" or anything. Anyway, that's my speculation, I'm not a professional physicist or anything, but I hope I'm not entirely stupid to make an analysis like that. |
St0rmbladeJul 1, 2020 2:49 PM
| great ep, for a sec there i thought Puru had died but glad i was wrong as for Hayato idk i never really liked him from the start so him dying didnt hit me as hard as others |
| "one step at a time" |
 Noooo Hayato died! :( How many members of the MSG cast are left? Sayla seems to have been practically forgotten by the franchise (only getting a 5 second cameo in Zeta). I guess that means Kai will be the only other guy left, but we haven't seen him since Jaburo in Zeta. Will he show up again in UC? IDK why people keep thinking "if we bomb London/Berlin/Tokyo, the enemy's spirit will be broken!", because it always ends up galvanizing the enemy's public against you. Haman should read history. Lol the Feddie ruling class continue to be evil, not actually doing anything to prevent the colony drop, allowing it to happen because of "population control". The Argama had huge hangar bays. Why couldn't the Argama fill them up with people? |
Valyrian1124Dec 29, 2024 9:54 AM
| Man there was a lot going on this episode, and a lot I want to mention. First off, the concept of dropping an entire colony to prove your power is messed up beyond belief. My jaw sort of dropped at the mere concept alone, but seeing it actually happen and everyone being unable to stop it made my jaw drop even further. It was really interesting seeing multiple characters from MSG (Bright, Hayato), mixed in with Fa and Kamille from Zeta along with all of the ZZ cast in one place. I really didin't expect Hayato to get any closure involving Katz, I thought it would just be ignored by Tomino. Seeing Kamille in this state is still really rough for me, and I want him to be protected at all costs. Hayato saying "I hear you Katz" when he died really hit me although I wasn't really close to him in the original or Zeta. I don't actually mind him dying here, I know it's not some amazing death with lots of lead-up, but war isn't fair. People can die whenever, and I like that about Gundam as a whole. The whole population control debacle involving the federation is messed up. Hard to tell what side isn't corrupt at this point. Someone else mentioned it but it's been so long since I have watched 0079 that I forgot there was a colony drop in that series as well. Either way it was still very impactful seeing it. I'm worried for every characters life at this point. |
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| Genuinely an amazing episode. Definitely the best of ZZ so far. There has been a noticeable rise in quality ever since the show started taking things seriously. |
| rip hayato :( you were a great character |
| this anime is getting better and better. also i'm very sad for hayato, he didn't deserve to die in that way |
| ''Touch the darkness inside me'' |
| The way everyone just accepts the inevitable and lets the colony drop… is shocking. Initially I expected a couple episodes to centre around preventing the catastrophe. It's sad, really. |
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Reply to Valyrian1124
Noooo Hayato died! :(
How many members of the MSG cast are left? Sayla seems to have been practically forgotten by the franchise (only getting a 5 second cameo in Zeta). I guess that means Kai will be the only other guy left, but we haven't seen him since Jaburo in Zeta. Will he show up again in UC?
IDK why people keep thinking "if we bomb London/Berlin/Tokyo, the enemy's spirit will be broken!", because it always ends up galvanizing the enemy's public against you. Haman should read history.
Lol the Feddie ruling class continue to be evil, not actually doing anything to prevent the colony drop, allowing it to happen because of "population control".
The Argama had huge hangar bays. Why couldn't the Argama fill them up with people?
| @Valyrian1124 Why the fuck did you had to spoil |
Reply to Valyrian1124
Noooo Hayato died! :(
How many members of the MSG cast are left? Sayla seems to have been practically forgotten by the franchise (only getting a 5 second cameo in Zeta). I guess that means Kai will be the only other guy left, but we haven't seen him since Jaburo in Zeta. Will he show up again in UC?
IDK why people keep thinking "if we bomb London/Berlin/Tokyo, the enemy's spirit will be broken!", because it always ends up galvanizing the enemy's public against you. Haman should read history.
Lol the Feddie ruling class continue to be evil, not actually doing anything to prevent the colony drop, allowing it to happen because of "population control".
The Argama had huge hangar bays. Why couldn't the Argama fill them up with people?
| @Valyrian1124 Damm bro, nice way spoil :( |
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