the tone of this show makes no sense

Jul 15, 5:26 AM

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I feel ya, but all I'm gonna say is "I've seen worse".
They still manage to somewhat separate comedy from murdering children, while what would be actually disgusting is joking about murdering children. Imagine that.
I think that comedy in this show is what makes it NOT some mindless edgelord fantasy like we had in Kingdom of Ruin, for example.

Jul 15, 5:29 AM

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I prefer this realistic approach. This is pretty normal. People of the medieval age were used to seeing death.

Jul 15, 5:45 AM

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I prefer it tbh. It's just how things were in medieval times. The anime is comedy as well since it's shōnen plus the protagonist is an 8 year old boy. It's not like Vinland Saga that's seinen, you dig?

Jul 15, 5:49 AM

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I prefer this realistic approach. This is pretty normal. People of the medieval age were used to seeing death.

@ktg its not realistic at all, no kid is gonna be emotionless regardless of the era, also how is it realistic that he can fall from a 100 ft drop and survive then do all this crazy backflips and shit just after showing how useless they were at fighting

Jul 15, 5:58 AM

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I know it can be distracting but all of it feels purposeful. The more light hearted tone and characters not acting like the norm feels fresh. Not many shows can pull it off but this one did. It makes it less edgy and allows the plot to move faster to stuff that actually matters. The show would be too similar to others if it handled the "tragic backstory" the same way others did. It did its job, now we can move on to the actual story.

Jul 15, 6:05 AM

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I'm somewhat conflicted about how I feel about this show yet. The comedy is so much over the top in a way that it feels out of place, like, comedy is pure timing, and until now there was like 1 situation I thought it was well placed (head light being turned off by pushing hair). The premise itself is very interesting, interesting enough for it to be taken seriously as the main plot dispositive rather than the comedy. Still, I enjoyed thoroughout so far. I just feel it coud've been better, but it's probably adapting the mannerisms from the original source rather than the production fault.

Jul 15, 6:06 AM

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I felt like I saw two different things in the first and second half of the first chapter, was pretty weird and all over the place, but at least it looks really good

Jul 15, 6:18 AM

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I'm usually a fan of tonal whiplash but in this case the comedic side is so awful.

Jul 15, 6:22 AM

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It worked for me so far and I didn’t interpret what was happening as the MC not giving a shit, he’s clearly shocked and trying to make sense of things, while he didn’t really have who to turn to, so he found himself with that joke cracking priest, despite the reservations he clearly had about him.

Not breaking down in tears is not the same as not caring.

I am a bit worried though because the score for the manga isn’t that great, but so far I thought the anime was really good.

Jul 15, 6:23 AM

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Rukasumi said:
@ktg its not realistic at all, no kid is gonna be emotionless regardless of the era, also how is it realistic that he can fall from a 100 ft drop and survive then do all this crazy backflips and shit just after showing how useless they were at fighting

It is, because he was sad. Or do you think that he was so happy that he wanted to kill himself? Obviously he reacted as a child.
Also it's not 100 ft, he jumped back, so it's like 5 meters at best and falling from 5 meters is survivable.

So yes, it's realistic.

Jul 15, 7:16 AM

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I don't quite feel the tone of this show is fully centred around the mc. The Priest's eccentric persona is distributed over the gruesome story giving a quirky comedic aspect. The purpose was not to be funny but to highlight the irony of being "Elusive Samurai".

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Jul 15, 7:17 AM

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deg

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you just want realism come on this is fiction

Jul 15, 7:43 AM

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Tokiyuki has been plenty emotional tho? The only reason why he’s even able to push on and not be a complete depressed wreck is because of Yorishige. His whole thing is being a bright spot in Tokiyuki’s life, cheering him up so he can move forward and do what needs to be done, rather than sulking and dying off by himself. Not making him forget, but helping him take the burden and move past what happened. I can understand how the contrast of the tones can throw you off, but there’s purpose to it and it’s not like Tokiyuki has been unaffected.

As others have said as well, it also makes it to where this isn’t just an edgy revenge story, it gives it life and a unique spin. Compared to season 1 of Vinland Saga for example, Thorfinn had no personality because he was a pitiful child driven purely by rage and revenge. This story isn’t doing that, and that’s fine. The fact that he’s really only good at running away also contrasts with the era, people usually in his position, and opposing characters. He isn’t a fighter, so you won’t get the usual revenge story to begin with.

MusashiKarlsefniJul 15, 7:51 AM

Jul 15, 7:47 AM

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Tbf, we see some glimpses of how the tragedy is affecting the mc in this last episode with the nightmare and his reaction to discovering his brother death but they are both cut short because of a joke right after. I think the main problem is how the scenes always do an 180 like this and go from the most gruesome, sad moments to over the top comedy immediately since you don't get much time to sit with what just happened. I believe the comedy would be fine if it was better timed and placed.

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Jul 15, 8:05 AM

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To be frank. I am happy that, they have depicted both the cruel and comedic sequences equally. These contrasts amalgamate and give a neutral perspective to viewers, giving us an option to impartially perceive things the way we would like.

Jul 15, 8:08 AM

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First of all, the comedy in this show is so good i burst out laughing but I will say that the issue is where it is implemented they could have put the comedy on some other time rather than putting it right after someone is killed.....

secondly, the main character suffers but it is not shown fully in the show rather in covers in 2 or 3 min and then move on further ahead but that's not a big issue to be honest.....

Jul 15, 8:08 AM

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I'd personally put that down to it beeing Shonen, rather than actually not making sense.
The pace might be off with this, but we don't really wanna see 2 Episodes of mellow, down to earth griefing, right?

It's 12 Episodes.
It's gotta move. And it's gotta get fun and cool, real quick, for people to stay engaged.

Could they handle that better? Probably
But I think that's a common "problem" or even the reason why people like it. It's lighthearted.

Merve2LoveJul 15, 8:12 AM

Jul 15, 8:08 AM

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Now guess why I dropped it, Hellsing Ultimate was enough out of place comedy for me.

No, this isn't my signature-desu.

Jul 15, 9:34 AM

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Rukasumi said:
@ktg its not realistic at all, no kid is gonna be emotionless regardless of the era, also how is it realistic that he can fall from a 100 ft drop and survive then do all this crazy backflips and shit just after showing how useless they were at fighting

Pretty sure we could see him having a breakdown in latest episode.

Jul 15, 10:01 AM

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I don’t mind it because I think they wanted to avoid a vibe where the mc is perpetually in despair

Jul 15, 10:04 AM

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this is my biggest problem with the show so far. like the first episode when they showed that girl, who wanted to marry tokiyuki (or something like that i already forgot), dead and in text just went “violated then murdered,” put such a bad taste in my mouth. was i supposed to laugh at that?

Jul 15, 10:35 AM

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I actually disagree, I think the whiplash is so noticeably huge that it makes for an extremely unique experience.

but both of them still work, the comedy is so over the top and goofy that it instantly takes you out of the serious tone, and the violence is so EXTREMELY gory and dark, that it instantly gets you to be disturbed.

The INCREADIBLE animation also really helps in selling both of those aspect in mere seconds.

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this is my biggest problem with the show so far. like the first episode when they showed that girl, who wanted to marry tokiyuki (or something like that i already forgot), dead and in text just went “violated then murdered,” put such a bad taste in my mouth. was i supposed to laugh at that?

@yagxr Considering how that was proceeded and followed by some of the most brutal slaughter in recent anime, I don't think you were suppose to laugh at THAT.

The show take you back and forth between funny scene, and super dark stuff. It's kinda building an identity on the whiplash.

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Jul 15, 10:51 AM

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I agree with OP, both the tone and the story structure make no sense. The realities of the time period and experience are horrific, and I think they're nailing that tone; the scene where the ball falling off the roof becomes the decapitated head in episode one was a BEAUTIFUL transition that I'm still thinking about.

However, the comedy feels almost like this was two separate shows being smashed together into one; it's jarring, and downright uncomfortable at times. I think someone in a comment above mentioned the text card mentioning the little girl being brutally violated and then executed, and it was hard to tell if it was a joke or not.

But the thing I'm the most distracted by is how the story seems to be happening AROUND Tokiyuki and not TO him. The massacre scenes of his family were a "blink and you miss it" montage, the execution of his brother was a line by an unrelated character, and getting all this information as something like an afterthought just gets really confusing. The narrator talked about his uncle going on to become this great warlord, but then these three kids kill him later in the episode; are these things true simultaneously? Is the first one fact and the second fiction? If so, why are they convoluting the narrative by presenting both?

The art is stunning, and when something hits, it hits well, but the tonal whiplash and odd storytelling is making me unsure if I want to continue.

Jul 15, 10:54 AM

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this is my biggest problem with the show so far. like the first episode when they showed that girl, who wanted to marry tokiyuki (or something like that i already forgot), dead and in text just went “violated then murdered,” put such a bad taste in my mouth. was i supposed to laugh at that?

@yagxr Just Chill. The events which you are talking about are not presented for viewers to laugh but to depict the after-effects of war crime.
If you aren't able to digest these realistic moments then you will curse yourselves, provided that I expect the makers continue depicting these harsh realities.

RKASHYAP621Jul 15, 11:01 AM

Jul 15, 10:56 AM

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That's just what makes it good

Jul 15, 11:15 AM

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It really is a mess, and I'm not sure I like this show. But I'm kind of in awe. I respect it for daring to be so deranged and committed. It's obnoxious and beautiful, all at once.

Definitely worth continuing, in my opinion. We can always drop it later if it does completely lose the thread.

Jul 15, 11:33 AM

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People should know this is based on (exaggerated) real life events. All this actually happened.

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Jul 15, 2:25 PM

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Guys you dont know how peak this will get trust me i dont think the tonal whiplash breaks the immersion at all.
Most of the main squad are Kids and all of the adults seem scary and weird schizos so the comedy gives a sort of balance to the horrible shit happening.

Also the whole anti samurai glorification narrative this show delves into is so good

Jul 15, 2:43 PM

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I actually really dig how dissonant the tone gets, its honestly working both ways for me where it being so goofy at times that the graphic violence registers far more but also cause of how graphic it gets the comedy catches me more off guard. Comapred to something like say, FMA:B or Bungou stray dogs where the comedy just felt kind of annoying when in serious scenes this feels more to me like its hyper aware of its deflations and trying to run with it.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 15, 4:18 PM

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I agree with OP, both the tone and the story structure make no sense. The realities of the time period and experience are horrific, and I think they're nailing that tone; the scene where the ball falling off the roof becomes the decapitated head in episode one was a BEAUTIFUL transition that I'm still thinking about.

However, the comedy feels almost like this was two separate shows being smashed together into one; it's jarring, and downright uncomfortable at times. I think someone in a comment above mentioned the text card mentioning the little girl being brutally violated and then executed, and it was hard to tell if it was a joke or not.

But the thing I'm the most distracted by is how the story seems to be happening AROUND Tokiyuki and not TO him. The massacre scenes of his family were a "blink and you miss it" montage, the execution of his brother was a line by an unrelated character, and getting all this information as something like an afterthought just gets really confusing. The narrator talked about his uncle going on to become this great warlord, but then these three kids kill him later in the episode; are these things true simultaneously? Is the first one fact and the second fiction? If so, why are they convoluting the narrative by presenting both?

The art is stunning, and when something hits, it hits well, but the tonal whiplash and odd storytelling is making me unsure if I want to continue.

@princessofmind

That's exactly it -- it feels like two completely different anime, that just don't gel together at all.

It's a shame, as the art is phenomenal and so is the animation, but the "comedy" is just killing it for me.

Will watch the entire series through, as it's rare to see an anime this well animated and this beautiful, but I'm already at the point where I couldn't care less about any character in it -- and that is disastrous for any story.

Jul 15, 6:51 PM

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true, shows like that almost never work and this is another miss.

Jul 15, 10:09 PM

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I like the tone. It’s fun and contrasts the brutal happenings quite nicely.

Jul 16, 12:11 AM

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princessofmind said:
I agree with OP, both the tone and the story structure make no sense. The realities of the time period and experience are horrific, and I think they're nailing that tone; the scene where the ball falling off the roof becomes the decapitated head in episode one was a BEAUTIFUL transition that I'm still thinking about.

However, the comedy feels almost like this was two separate shows being smashed together into one; it's jarring, and downright uncomfortable at times. I think someone in a comment above mentioned the text card mentioning the little girl being brutally violated and then executed, and it was hard to tell if it was a joke or not.

But the thing I'm the most distracted by is how the story seems to be happening AROUND Tokiyuki and not TO him. The massacre scenes of his family were a "blink and you miss it" montage, the execution of his brother was a line by an unrelated character, and getting all this information as something like an afterthought just gets really confusing. The narrator talked about his uncle going on to become this great warlord, but then these three kids kill him later in the episode; are these things true simultaneously? Is the first one fact and the second fiction? If so, why are they convoluting the narrative by presenting both?

The art is stunning, and when something hits, it hits well, but the tonal whiplash and odd storytelling is making me unsure if I want to continue.

i'm sure that the greatest warlond line was a mistranslation

Jul 16, 10:00 AM

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Not only the comedy is distracting and disrupts the tone it is way over the top don't really like the Suwa character he has a purpose and is the reason why mc is alive but still he is way too over the top even for anime standards. Also 4th wall breaking board game I still understand what those meant

Jul 16, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, it's not a bad show, but compared to Sengoku Youko (which the second season of it will air in this season), it's currently overrated.

Jul 16, 9:30 PM

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I applaud the creative freedom on display and am usually very generous and accepting of tonal change, but this one is a bit TOO weird for me lol

Jul 17, 1:31 PM

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The author should get some lessons from gintama author.

Jul 17, 4:20 PM

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Nah but seriously though that's exactly what's throwing me off with this show. E2 successfully had me caring about the brother thing and then they just throw you right into joke frames and scenes in the middle. Still like the show but it's kind of annoying even if it's on purpose.

Jul 18, 3:00 AM

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That's why I dropped it after the first episode.

Jul 18, 1:12 PM

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Yeah the tonal whiplashes aren't my thing either. I understand if reactions towards those killings and the tone might be a bit more calmer than overly serious and crying all the time but the over indulgence of comedic scenes and the animation somehow elevating them to even more unfunnier, obnoxious heights is a massive turnoff with the first two episodes, even if it is trying to balance against the amount of violence taking place while taking into account the cast comprising of younger kids so far like Tokiyuki as the lead. It's why Suwa's character absolutely sucks to the highest degree so far and is actively ruining the show for me even with the great animation on display. Very frustrating as a whole since I can't appreciate something that actively makes me very annoyed by it.

Jul 20, 9:30 AM

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I like the tone. It’s one of my favourite parts of the show. It has a surreal feel to it when it contrasts the bloody murder with Yorishige’s blinding light and large smiles

Jul 20, 9:55 AM

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this is my biggest problem with the show so far. like the first episode when they showed that girl, who wanted to marry tokiyuki (or something like that i already forgot), dead and in text just went “violated then murdered,” put such a bad taste in my mouth. was i supposed to laugh at that?

@yagxr What made you think that seeing text saying a girl was violated and murdered was supposed to be funny. I strongly doubt that there was a single soul who saw that part and thought was this supposed to be funny, was I supposed to laugh at this.

People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime.

Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait.

MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol.

Jul 20, 9:57 AM

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Honestly I’d rather have this than another edgy kid on a journey for revenge… let’s mix things up a bit

Jul 20, 9:59 AM

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you just want realism come on this is fiction

@deg Unfortunately, it's based on real events. So the tone is a bit off.

Life is too short for looking at the past. Enjoy your 'now' and just prepare a bit for the future~

Jul 20, 10:10 AM

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watsym

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I think it's fine in this case. Writing has other issues than the tone.

Jul 20, 12:29 PM

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Idk about you bro but I love how it switches from serious to funny tbh, Tokiyuki definitely need some bright lights to not make him go all edgy on a path for revenge now he’s a good little boy on a path for revenge😇

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