| Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own |
| I think it's the type of slow-burn that's not really everyone's cup of tea. When there are plenty of people that would rate it highly, it's not that it's bad or anything, but more so not up to the tastes of most people. For people that don't mind that though, then that's where we can really find a worthwhile watch. Just because a series isn't popular doesn't make it a bad one, the same way a popular series doesn't make it one for everyone. It really boils down to the target audience. For example, I don't enjoy popular mainstream shounen series like Jujutsu Kaisen...I'd even go so far as to say it's trash (to my tastes), even though it really isn't at all--it's simply not the type of show I enjoy anymore...at least, not as much as I used to when I was younger. Another thing: people are comparing it to Hyouka and KyoAni too much in my opinion. It's not surprising, because it's by the same author, and KyoAni is legendary, so it's kind of hard not to. I'm guilty of this myself. But I think this sort of thing should just be viewed on its own merits, taking it in as it is. That way, it's not being put on a pedestal and held to such a high, and arguably unrealistic expectations. The same can be said for a lot of different anime series too, putting it up against other series, we often forget to see the good things about them when all we're looking at are their downsides, or how the show "could" be. Something I believe also affects people's enjoyment, is the time of day they're watching it. For a slow-burn series like this, it would probably be best viewed when you're winding down for the day, close to before going to bed, or weekend evening. If you're used to watching popular series full of action and dynamic animation around this same time, you're dulling your senses and attention spans, always chasing that ever-rising dopamine hit, which would be more suited for a Saturday morning. And once you do eventually watch slower series like this, you would be setting yourself up for disappointment and boredom. Anyways...I could be wrong, as this topic is super subjective, but that's just my 2 cents. |
Estoy_GordoJul 20, 2024 5:58 PM
| So far to me it has the entertainment value of watching paint dry, boring characters and scenarios with wooden dialogue, but it does at least look very pretty. The OP is gorgeous, though. Great stuff. |
| you all are correct but don't use the score directly or you'll get reported. I also think it is on par with hyouka heck somewhere better never in my life I imagined that a cocoa mystery can get me so hooked up and felt satisfied after It was solved though It n ght have been guessable I don't use a microwave so don't know. |
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| 1. There's no hook to it, so there's no reason for people to start watching. The synopsis reads pretty uninteresting, and the trailer and the "mystery, school" tags don't really help, either. It's difficult to know what it even is, unless you've already watched or heard of Hyouka and you know this is from the same author. 2. The first two episodes do a poor job of selling the show. The first episode was much too vague introducing the main characters, and the handbag case was very low-stakes and simple. The second episode was much too indulgent and divorced from the characters; in a word, it felt like "filler," and regardless of whether it's good or not, I don't think having the second episode be filler is a good way to entice viewers. The third episode felt more "back on track" and much more interesting, but it's likely much too late for a lot of people. It's also still too early to tell what this show is. Based on the cliffhanger, I have a feeling Episode 4 will help most people really make up their minds about this. 3. It's just too quiet and everyone talks "monotone." Pretty simple, really. I expect a lot of people to have bailed out immediately. Even Hyouka had more life and more personality. |
| That's the minority effect playing tricks on you. Those with problems often voice their opinions louder, and those without it don't go out of their way to reach out and repeat their praises like a broken record. And don't get me started on the scoring. I'm surprised nobody calls it a hysteria at this point. Behind some numbers are (mostly) just ordinary humans, with their own outlook, judgement and instability. People forget that most of the time, because they were given a system incapable of processing it. To cure this, you have to accept that your feelings are different. If you like a show with 7.5 score, then in your own standard 7.5 should be good. You can't use standard from grade school or some stranger who chats a lot as your own, because your tastes are different. Sorry if I may sound annoying. I just don't think talking about one show would resolve your problem from the roots. You will just get hung up again if this happens again to any other show in the future. |
| The show is getting the reception I've been waiting for, slice of life with mystery isn't the type of anime that gets the attention of the masses, only a few can compete with the big shows. |
| I am become death, the destroyer of worlds |
| The show is overrated on MAL as is. Nothing of interest has happened and it's the most bland of slice of life animes I've ever come to witness. The only points it gets is for being beautifully cinematic eye candy but that's all it is-- nothing else is saving it for me at the moment and I'm bound to drop it in another episode or two. Especially after wasting 20 minutes of my life over "oooooo how did he make the hot cocoa??" nonsense. |
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Cestlavie_ said: Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own I thought the exat same. I could barely bear those whole 25 minutes of the chacarerts solving the astronomic mystery of how that side character made three hot cocoa cups with only getting one spoon dirty. It left me pissed because the plot was just pointless and did little good to our understanding of the characters. If anything, it felt like those special episodes that are included in some series' BDs. Episode 3 was better in that regard, as I can see it is building up to something, but Shoushimin Series isn't close to being worthy a title like "impressive". It was a major letdown for me. Also, the dynamic between the two main characters truly annoy me. There's just something in it that makes me seethe when watching the show. It reminds me of a couple in high school, that I hated. Maybe this is why. Anyway, this was just an annectode and isn't what makes this show unimpressive so far. |
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| It's not an isekai, it's not romance, doesn't show panties and doesn't have much action, so how can it be expected to be popular. But yeah, it's a pretty good show and I'm enjoying it so far. |
| I'm enjoying it for the visuals. I am forced to pay attention on what is possibly being communicated through the visual medium. It doesn't have the tropes that make your favourite romcom a guilty pleasure, which is why it's understandable not many enjoy it. Here's some recommendation that can help you appreciate Shoushimin.  ETA: I AM IGNORING THE D+++$$D BELOW. |
patkarununganJul 23, 2024 12:18 AM
| I just watched the first episode today (only finished like 15 minutes ago, actually). It's the kind of series I could see sitting in my recliner and watching 300 episodes of in the middle of the night over the course of years, while half-daydreaming all the while or, alternatively, effectively dropping and never watching another episode of in my life and being equally satisfied and content. As someone who wished we had received at any point up to now or in lieu of this Hyouka season 2 from the creator's other body of work, and as someone who considers Hyouka among my top favorites yet understands why it's considered exceptionally mind-numbingly boring to some, this series so far, just judging based off of one episode, comes off more to me like how the harshest critics of Hyouka actually perceive and describe that series. It has a distinct enough visual identity which is muted and realism-based (no fantasy proportions or colors of people or objects here) yet (largely) devoid of the elaborate aesthetic flair and stunt show Hyouka goes for. And the characters are even more subdued. "Subdued" to the point where it seems like it just could be a hidden camera reality show filming an ordinary mundane day in any Japanese public high school. |
WatchTillTandavaJul 22, 2024 1:58 AM
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I'm enjoying it for the visuals. I am forced to pay attention on what is possibly being communicated through the visual medium. It doesn't have the tropes that make your favourite romcom a guilty pleasure, which is why it's understandable not many enjoy it.
Here's some recommendation that can help you appreciate Shoushimin.
ETA:
I AM IGNORING THE D+++$$D BELOW.
Here's some recommendation that can help you appreciate Shoushimin.
ETA:
I AM IGNORING THE D+++$$D BELOW.
| @patkarunungan Come on, man. I'm pretty sure people understand that films and shows convey ideas through cinematography; a lot of them just find the writing and characters here really dull. No book about visual storytelling is gonna change that. |
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I do enjoy the show but my gripe is just the 10 episodes thing and the story yet hasn't progressed too far!
| @Raizer007 It's gonna be a split cour. 5 episodes for each novel. (IIRC, there are 5 novels so far in the Shoushimin series.) The second cour, which I don't know when will be shown, will cover another 10 episodes. ETA: SOURCE https://x.com/SugoiLITE/status/1798964119674265856?t=QvRhbySfi42vcnZXj8UURw&s=19 Edit #2: It seems that people at Reddit enjoy this more than people in MAL. I'll be proven correct with more episodes and laugh at the people who can't appreciate the subtleties. |
patkarununganJul 28, 2024 9:08 AM
Cestlavie_ said: Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own Most boring anime episode? My man… Long Ring Long Land arc 😠|
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| I like the visuals, dialogue, and the lack of over the top tropes is nice. Finally found a shy girl who acts normal instead of these tropey anime girls who can’t say one word without stuttering 8 times and turning bright red like Bob the Tomato. Some kind of gimmick would’ve be nice though. I think having some sci-do aspect would’ve made it more popular, since sci-fi/romance/drama is such a popular mix in anime (especially the visually stunning ones like Makoto Shinkai’s work). |
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GoCrayzee said: Cestlavie_ said: Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own Most boring anime episode? My man… Long Ring Long Land arc 😠There was Afro Luffy so nah, that was way more interesting than watching people solve a hot chocolate mystery |
Herman97 said: Honestly I think it's absurd that this show has a sub 8 score at this point, as I feel like the quality of most aspects of this show is comparable to, if not better than a lot of the shows in the 8.00-8.20 scored shows I've watched. I think anything above a score of 7 is alright, but all in all I think it's fair to consider a score below 7.50 to be mildly disappointing at best (the current score is 7.48). And this is why OP we should not take MAL scores way too seriously. Cestlavie_ said: I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own I agree. Well, at least I now know the answer to the question "What will Hyouka be like if Oreki, Chitanda, Mayaka, and Satoshi were removed from the story, and replaced with drab protagonists?" Answer: the first 3 episodes of Shoushimin. I seriously hope the remaining episodes will turn things around and make Kobato and Osanai compelling. benedito2937425 said: honestly it's a worse version of hyouka Can't blame you if you feel that way. Shoushimin right now is "We Have Hyouka at Home" 🙃 patkarunungan said: I'm enjoying it for the visuals. I see you have Eighty-Six on your plan to watch list. I highly recommend watching it, as I would dare say it does a far better job at visual storytelling than Shoushimin. Ryan_the_Bread said: Come on, man. I'm pretty sure people understand that films and shows convey ideas through cinematography; a lot of them just find the writing and characters here really dull. No book about visual storytelling is gonna change that. Exactly. If anything, to viewers that don't like the show, the visuals might feel like a crutch that props up the anime. Take that away, the score might be much lower. |
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It's not an isekai, it's not romance, doesn't show panties and doesn't have much action, so how can it be expected to be popular.
But yeah, it's a pretty good show and I'm enjoying it so far.
But yeah, it's a pretty good show and I'm enjoying it so far.
| @watsym “It’s not romance”. So that essentially kills any interest I had in this anime… |
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GoCrayzee said:
Most boring anime episode? My man… Long Ring Long Land arc ðŸ˜
Cestlavie_ said:
Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own
Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own
Most boring anime episode? My man… Long Ring Long Land arc ðŸ˜
There was Afro Luffy so nah, that was way more interesting than watching people solve a hot chocolate mystery
| @Cestlavie_ Fair, afro Luffy was pretty great. I actually enjoyed Long Ring Long Land until they decided to do the entire thing a second time (I think that was anime only though). I get why some people would find this show really boring, it is incredibly slow (not that I think it's a bad thing). Episode three had better pacing since they covered the vase smashing pretty quickly and moved on to something I actually cared about. Maybe I'm being blinded by the aesthetic tbh 😅 |
| Gachiakuta is the greatest manga of all time |
| Kind of ironic how I found Hyouka in its entirety to be far more boring with its mysteries and characters than this show with monotonous main characters for the time being. Chitanda's gimmick was annoying and got played out too soon and besides maybe Oreki, the rest of the cast pretty much sucked enough to suck the life out of me when seeing it. There wasn't much interesting stuff there for me to look forward to either compared to the setup with this new show for the time being, and the characters do intrigue me enough to want to know about their past selves and what led them to being the way they are now. Not saying this Shoushimin anime is amazing so far but I definitely find more value in it so far than the majority of Hyouka at least for the time being, could change if this goes nowhere the rest of the time. |
| A decade ago I would’ve been easily so bored by this sort of premise, ngl. The sense of intrigue and mystery within this collection of mini case detours strung together by the overlying big mystery in Osanai and Kobato’s background and current relationship entices me a lot more than most other things from this season, in all honesty. The cinematic feel thanks to the black bar aspect ratio really helps to create this sense of 3D space and curious visual framing and transitions. At times it reminded me of Studio Shaft’s usual directorial style, even. |
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| I actually remember when Hyouka was airing the reception isnt much different, taht just had the bonus of being a much longer series that gradually lost alot of the detractors as the people who dug the style stuck with it |
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Honestly, to me, it's so unbelievably boring. Episode 2 was hands down the most boring anime episode I have ever watched in my life. I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own
| @Cestlavie_ This is so insane to me because I loved episode 2 an unreasonable about, it was probably my favourite episode out of the three that aired for no apparent reason but it just pulled me in i guess? I can see why it wouldnt be for everyone but I personally think it was brilliant and I adore the mundane beauty of it all. |
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Herman97 said:
Honestly I think it's absurd that this show has a sub 8 score at this point, as I feel like the quality of most aspects of this show is comparable to, if not better than a lot of the shows in the 8.00-8.20 scored shows I've watched. I think anything above a score of 7 is alright, but all in all I think it's fair to consider a score below 7.50 to be mildly disappointing at best (the current score is 7.48).
Honestly I think it's absurd that this show has a sub 8 score at this point, as I feel like the quality of most aspects of this show is comparable to, if not better than a lot of the shows in the 8.00-8.20 scored shows I've watched. I think anything above a score of 7 is alright, but all in all I think it's fair to consider a score below 7.50 to be mildly disappointing at best (the current score is 7.48).
And this is why OP we should not take MAL scores way too seriously.
Cestlavie_ said:
I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own
I don't get how some people find this more interesting than Hyouka? Cause the characters in Hyouka were far more lively and colorful than these 2 monotonous mcs, but to each their own
I agree.
Well, at least I now know the answer to the question "What will Hyouka be like if Oreki, Chitanda, Mayaka, and Satoshi were removed from the story, and replaced with drab protagonists?" Answer: the first 3 episodes of Shoushimin. I seriously hope the remaining episodes will turn things around and make Kobato and Osanai compelling.
benedito2937425 said:
honestly it's a worse version of hyouka
honestly it's a worse version of hyouka
Can't blame you if you feel that way. Shoushimin right now is "We Have Hyouka at Home" 🙃
patkarunungan said:
I'm enjoying it for the visuals.
I'm enjoying it for the visuals.
I see you have Eighty-Six on your plan to watch list. I highly recommend watching it, as I would dare say it does a far better job at visual storytelling than Shoushimin.
Ryan_the_Bread said:
Come on, man. I'm pretty sure people understand that films and shows convey ideas through cinematography; a lot of them just find the writing and characters here really dull. No book about visual storytelling is gonna change that.
Come on, man. I'm pretty sure people understand that films and shows convey ideas through cinematography; a lot of them just find the writing and characters here really dull. No book about visual storytelling is gonna change that.
Exactly.
If anything, to viewers that don't like the show, the visuals might feel like a crutch that props up the anime. Take that away, the score might be much lower.
Alpha-Nine said: I see you have Eighty-Six on your plan to watch list. I highly recommend watching it, as I would dare say it does a far better job at visual storytelling than Shoushimin. 86 isn't even good, let alone better than Shoushimin, at visual storytelling. |
| I don't know where the show will go, but so far the show feels extremely pretentious with very little substance. The dorks chose to letterbox the entire show for fuck's sake! |
・Ionliosite2 said: 86 isn't even good, let alone better than Shoushimin, at visual storytelling. I respectfully disagree. |
| Wow wow wow, how can it has more interesting characters, settings, vibes and storytelling when the worthy bits of this show is directly copy-pasted from the predecessor? And they all comes from the first episode which is a poor replica of Hyouka 21th? And I guess the act of boiling banana for the cooking contest in the 17th episode is the direct and foremost inspiration for this series's how to make hot cocoa This shit easily takes the money for the most boring of the season, yet for fuck's sake there are shittier on air at the same time. |
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| It's rather boring to be honest, but it has some charm at least. |
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