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alshu said: It would be hard to clean the blood and the DNA remnants... The two police detectives mention that they tested the skull with luminol and found traces of blood on it. I guess the point was that the mob doctor didn't think that they'd check the skull, but then he's the one who picked the skull to do the deed, which is a very conspicuous thing to use... If he was going to clean the tool anyway, then why didn't he pick something more mundane, like a buzzsaw or a bone saw? He owns a clinic too! alshu said: He should've just burn the body... The more I think about it after reading your post, the less sense this show makes... Why did the mob doctor even need to get rid of the leg in the first place? Was the gunshot wound on his leg supposed to connect him to the victim? What difference does it make if he leaves the leg attached to the corpse when he ditched it? So he got shot in the leg, what? Why did he have to ditch the body in the first place? Couldn't he just dispose of the body quietly, preferably far away? Or by burning it, like you said? He shouldn't have ditched the body, actually, because the autopsy would've easily revealed that he had those anesthetics in his bloodstream! Which would indicate that the victim was receiving medical attention before his death, which would put a huge spotlight on the doctor who lives nearby. Maybe lidocaine disappears quickly once it's inside the body? But the man died shortly after, though.. how would it disappear? The entire case feels a little overcomplicated and arbitrary. Maybe there's a good explanation for all of this and I missed it, but it still feels awkward to me... |
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@perseii what about the metheglobinia? is it really turns the victim red blood cells within the body to blue colour or is it a different colour?
| @Elior21 I'm not a doctor, so I don't know if it's possible for human blood to turn literally blue. I do know that usually what we see as "blue veins" through our skins contain reddish brown/black blood. I don't mind that the animators painted the blood "blue," I can overlook it as "artistic liberty" and to reduce confusion for the audience. |
Elior21 said: what about the methglobinia is it really turns the victims red blood cells within his body blue or is it different colour? I said biggest (about the T-Rex)... No idea how this works, but in theory blue (or at least blueish) blood is possible. So I understand the author's need to come out with somehow extravagant medical cases which in the same are criminal cases, so blue blood is not a bad idea, but he should've come out with a better explanation for it. On the other hand using a T-Rex is more of a Scooby-Doo trope (and I am a fan of some Scooby-Doo entries, but this shouldn't be the tone here). perseii said: He shouldn't have ditched the body Yeah and with his connections with yakuza he could've find a profesional "cleaner", with the knowledge and the resources to do it properly, but I guess that would've be too expensive? |
alshuJan 2, 11:35 PM
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@MegamiRem it makes sense if he did it very late at night when all the guards and care takers gone home as for the constraction site where he dropped him no one sew him becouse he gone though the forest which leads directly there
Elior21 said: It wasn't night let alone very late at night when he took him to the museum. The shootout took place during the day and the guy went to his clinic right after. When they called the clinic after finding the body it was just past 5 in the evening. (The exact time is shown in the first episode.) That's a while after they found the body so it was during noon when he took him to the museum. You could also clearly see it was daytime from how light up it was. Also yes taking a secluded path inside the forest means less chance of someone seeing him but I wasn't talking about that to begin with. I said it's unnatural how both the construction place and the museum had no people even if it was raining that day.@MegamiRem it makes sense if he did it very late at night when all the guards and care takers gone home as for the constraction site where he dropped him no one sew him becouse he gone though the forest which leads directly there |
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| I really like the idea of this show, but I find the main character a bit cringe. |
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| Damn, the only thing that sucks is learning that this is only slated for 11 episodes. Hopefully it would go on to have many seasons in the future in spite of the initial episode count and not be another Beautiful Bones in that regard. |
| i dont care with that nonsense deduction to solve the mystery !!! atleast takao sensei is too damn precious girll !! |
| Bad writing imo. And terrible characters, including (especially) mc. Maybe for kids it will be somewhat entertaining but sadly not for me. |
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Crossburn said:
Methylene blue, however, does cause a blue discolouration of body fluids (most notably urine) although not blood. So it would have made far more medical sense if they said the patient's urine was blue.
Methylene blue, however, does cause a blue discolouration of body fluids (most notably urine) although not blood. So it would have made far more medical sense if they said the patient's urine was blue.
I don't think the victim actually drank took methylene blue, though. During Takao's deductions, we see the mob doctor pick up the bottle of methylene blue, only to turn around and find his patient dead.
I think the animators had to take some liberties with the visuals, because it would've been confusing to the viewer when they can plainly see that the blood is "brown" but the other characters keep talking about "blue blood."
| @perseii Blue blood shouldnt have been the feature at all because methaemogobinaemia doesnt cause it. It causes patients to look blue, but the blood is actually a chocolate brown colour, which itself would have already have been an interesting visual. I realise that he didnt take the methylene blue to produce blue urine, but it would have been easy to write that he managed to give some but the patient still died and now has blue urine. It wouldnt have changed the remainder of the events. My whole gripe with this case is that the writer could have easily used either of these 2 visually interesting disease features, but somehow wrote in a false feature instead, seemingly just to shoehorn in the part where the cast follow a blue blood trail and find a puddle of methylene blue that was mistaken for blood. Bad bad writing for mystery series. |
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@perseii Blue blood shouldnt have been the feature at all because methaemogobinaemia doesnt cause it. It causes patients to look blue, but the blood is actually a chocolate brown colour, which itself would have already have been an interesting visual.
I realise that he didnt take the methylene blue to produce blue urine, but it would have been easy to write that he managed to give some but the patient still died and now has blue urine. It wouldnt have changed the remainder of the events.
My whole gripe with this case is that the writer could have easily used either of these 2 visually interesting disease features, but somehow wrote in a false feature instead, seemingly just to shoehorn in the part where the cast follow a blue blood trail and find a puddle of methylene blue that was mistaken for blood. Bad bad writing for mystery series.
I realise that he didnt take the methylene blue to produce blue urine, but it would have been easy to write that he managed to give some but the patient still died and now has blue urine. It wouldnt have changed the remainder of the events.
My whole gripe with this case is that the writer could have easily used either of these 2 visually interesting disease features, but somehow wrote in a false feature instead, seemingly just to shoehorn in the part where the cast follow a blue blood trail and find a puddle of methylene blue that was mistaken for blood. Bad bad writing for mystery series.
| @Crossburn I agree that they could've (and probably should've) written around that. I was just trying to guess what was going on in the writer's head. They probably thought that blue blood is "visually way more interesting" than just blue urine, blue skin, or dark brown blood. You gotta make a big splash in the first episode. Since my comment, I've realized there are many more odd writing choices for the whole case (like why cut off the leg in the first place, why use the skull to do it LOL, why not hide the corpse and dispose of it later), so now I'm kind of resigned to this style of "mystery" writing... |
| Dissapointed to be honest. I came here expecting "what if House MD was an anime waifu" and not another mistery show with a character that solves everything because plotholes get shrugged off. while claiming to be a genius. At least at the moment it seems better than the last one in this regard, but I hope it focuses more in medical aspects, for mistery and deductions I preffer Kusuriya, it has more weight behind explanations and MaoMao is way way more charismatic than Takao. |
| Waifus only represent ideals |
| The case was certainly not without it's problems or quirks, but aside from that Takao is a excellent main character so far, a bit eccentric, a bit of a trouble maker, a bit of a problem solver. I think regardless of how good the story or cases are in this show, Takao is gonna carry the show as a great main character. She's already my favorite so far this winter season. |
Spoof_490 said: it got updated to 12 eps now. Ooh, nice. Thanks for the heads-up. Each extra episode of series like this is worth having. |
| There's not a lot of room for the mystery to be solvable by the viewer and it's mostly just Takao doing a big exposition dump every few minutes. Definitely seems like a case of a smart character being written by someone who isn't smart. So far it's just been everyone following around Takao while she immediately solves everything on her own. Also, at least for now it's more of a crime show than a medical show, the medical stuff almost just seems like a backdrop. |
Cross  AngeHey guys check my profile for current airing season anime recommendation (guaranteed best taste) |
| Great show, love on how Takao describe the scenario between Hachisuka and Kumade, for me one of the best show on this season. |
| The mystery was solved. The way Takao solved it was good. It will be very entertaining this anime.  |
| Overall a pretty decent episode, the case certainly had it's flaws, however Takao is carrying this shows entertainment so much right now. If it weren't for her this would be a start to a mediocre mystery show. The shows going good places so far, hope it keeps it going well. |
| I'm staying for takao and aimer. The character design isn't half bad too. The best scene in this episode is totally hachisuka's karate punch. I felt the weight in that punch. As a mystery it's a bit... ehhh. Kumade's plan is way too roundabout. I was intrigued to see how and why the patient's blood turned blue but honestly got disappointed when takao actually explains it. Blaming takao for everything is ridiculous when your plan is full of flaws. I'm glad he got punched by hachisuka. For an underground doctor he's a bit too creative with his plans. |
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| "It's hard to sever a human leg" But not if you use the world's most cumbersome weapon! Anime is generally jump 20 feet in the air bullet dodging nonsense, but this was supposed to at least be somewhat plausible and completely failed at it. |
| I found this show on a whim and it's actually really good, I'm enjoying it a lot. It is like if House MD but if Dr House was a cute adorable anime girl instead of a crochety old man and I love it for that alone lol. Some people may think the way the crime was done was strange and bizarre but I feel like the show would be boring if it was just a cut and dry "They shot this person, and that's how they died" scenario. Adding all these convoluted details makes the mystery worth unraveling in my opinion. |
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| I expected methylene blue would be involved somehow especially after the mention of aquariums but I was thinking a poisoning by methylene blue or something. Poorly researched on one aspect though. Methemoglobinemia does not turn blood blue, it makes skin blue and turns blood a chocolatey brown which can be found from a quick search. I suspect the writer may have either assumed it turns blood blue due to how it turns skin blue or had read some news stories that gave inaccurate information. The rest of the information is correct though. I also feel using a T rex skull seems hard to believe even if somewhat plausible. The story easily could have used a shark skeleton or even just their teeth and nothing would be different. And the poor logic of cutting off his whole leg to get a bullet also could have been avoided, it's not like blue blood isn't interesting enough in itself. Crossburn said: The 1st big case of the series and it has a huge factual error. Methaemoglobinaemia DOES NOT cause blue blood. It causes brown blood, which appears as a blue tinge under skin. Methylene blue, however, does cause a blue discolouration of body fluids (most notably urine) although not blood. So it would have made far more medical sense if they said the patient's urine was blue. Why would methylene blue not stain blood blue? I mean it is a textile dye originally. It's normally administered intravenously for such a scenario. Blood is normally red so couldn't it look kind of purple'ish or at least even leave a blue outer ring stain on fabrics such blood contacts due to the thinner viscosity? I had no luck finding this information online. alshu said: No idea how this works, but in theory blue (or at least blueish) blood is possible. Instead of hemoglobin humans have some species of crabs, spiders, and various invertebrates have hemocyanin. This has to do with use of copper instead of iron resulting in the colour. Horseshoe crabs actually get their blood extracted for medical use so you can easily look up what blue blood looks like by the jar full. WatchTillTandava said: I'm in love. I've been fascinated with a number of different areas of medical science the past four years, partially inspired by undergoing some serious adverse medical events in my own life, and throughout the entirety of the time from then to now this is the exact and specific type of anime I've craved for, one with knowledgeable doctors or medical researchers in a modern clinical setting, as characters. I didn't think that there was any anime out of all previously released which adequately matched those specific parameters or that we'd necessarily ever get one anytime soon. So finding out about this new upcoming series several weeks ago and just watching it today after the premiere has seemed like a surreal event from the surprise and level of personal wish fulfillment. Of course, even when just first hearing about it, the immediate comparison of what it came off like just from hearing the description was an anime equivalent of House - Something that seems like would be a popular enough topic with an amount of material for writing it which is nearly limitless considering the depth and winding, constantly evolving path of medical research and discovery, as well as changing best practices in evidence-based medicine - this is a story and show which can virtually always have something new to put before its audience pulled from science and actual cases. So I'm surprised that as far as I'm aware, we really haven't previously ever gotten anything like it a lot sooner. After actually watching the first episodes, the closest series I've seen which it reminds me of, besides House, but sticking to anime, is Beautiful Bones - Sakurako's Investigation. If Sakurako were a doctor instead of an osteologist, with an internist and adult co-worker as her junior partner instead of a high school boy. But in the sense of modern mysteries, seems like the information density will be balanced by a little lightheartedness and occasional bits of personal comedy/Slice of Life/drama/romance, and a "childish", headstrong, brilliant female lead with an intense personality. Kind of also like a more strictly medical-focused and modern-day Earth-set Apothecary Diaries due to that too. Likewise, I read into medical stuff for others (and briefly for myself) for some time now and when I watch these kind of shows I look up the conditions and treatments. I just hope there isn't more errors. It makes it harder to predict things ahead of time. |
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| Holy shit this was great. Completely blew my expectations away and no one told me this had an Aimer OP wtf!!!! Y’all fake lol. Finally a proper medical anime. Doctor Elise was solid, but we haven’t had this sort of in depth medical analysis, terminology and the thoroughness of how conditions are revealed. It’s like a med school seminar in the best possible way. The 2 part premiere was brilliant because it basically addressed the only concern I was gonna have with this series which was whether or not it would get repetitive just staying in the hospital all day. But it seems like Takao and Kotori are going to be out solving cases with forensic investigators and the police as well, just giving that medical expertise and professional perspective. Very similar to House. The blue blood case was really interesting and I can’t wait to see where we go from here I’m getting some Kyoukou suiri vibes from Takao and Kotori. I ship it lol. We need a collab between them and the Kamonohashi Ron cast too |
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The 1st big case of the series and it has a huge factual error.
Methaemoglobinaemia DOES NOT cause blue blood. It causes brown blood, which appears as a blue tinge under skin.
Methylene blue, however, does cause a blue discolouration of body fluids (most notably urine) although not blood. So it would have made far more medical sense if they said the patient's urine was blue.
Methaemoglobinaemia DOES NOT cause blue blood. It causes brown blood, which appears as a blue tinge under skin.
Methylene blue, however, does cause a blue discolouration of body fluids (most notably urine) although not blood. So it would have made far more medical sense if they said the patient's urine was blue.
| @Crossburn Correct me if I'm wrong, but Methemoglobinemia can cause navy blue blood in some cases. There are medical reports and news articles of people getting the same shade of blue blood as the victim in the anime due to the condition. The author may have chosen the rarer color to make the audience more interested in the case since brown blood is not as visually interesting. |
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@Crossburn Correct me if I'm wrong, but Methemoglobinemia can cause navy blue blood in some cases. There are medical reports and news articles of people getting the same shade of blue blood as the victim in the anime due to the condition. The author may have chosen the rarer color to make the audience more interested in the case since brown blood is not as visually interesting.
| @Adizcool I cannot find a legit case report describing blue discolouration of blood from methaemoglobinaemia. I did do a quick search of "methaemoglobinaemia navy blue blood" and found several news articles of one same case which are probably what you were referring to. I remain sceptical that some miscommunication has occurred because I cannot any case reports describing any hue of blue blood in methaemoglobinaemia. @traed I should have been more precise with that statement. Methylene blue does turn human plasma blue (urine is filtered plasma after all), but the deep red/chocolate brown colour of haemoglobin will likely overpower the blue hue unless the patient is severely anaemic. That said, I would buy an artistic decision to colour the patient's blood a dark blue IF ONLY the methylene blue had actually been given. |
Crossburn said: I should have been more precise with that statement. Methylene blue does turn human plasma blue (urine is filtered plasma after all), but the deep red/chocolate brown colour of haemoglobin will likely overpower the blue hue unless the patient is severely anaemic. That said, I would buy an artistic decision to colour the patient's blood a dark blue IF ONLY the methylene blue had actually been given. I finally found a scientific paper saying what it does When applying the drug, there may be a “drop” in oxygen saturation, because methylene blue turns the blood blue, and it falsely reduces the saturation value measured via pulse oximetry. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9536159/ So it does indeed stain blood blue. No wait, after doing more digging after what @Adizcool said I used more careful searching and found this in a case report of isobutyl nitril induce methemoglobinemia Laboratorydata demonstrateda hemoglobin of 15.2 gm/100 ml, a white blood cell count of 9,400/cu mm with a normal differential, an arterial pH of 7.43, a PCO 2 of 30 torr, and a PO2 of 90 torr while the patient was breathing room air. Specimens of arterial blood appeared dark blue. Serum electrolytes revealed sodium of 141 mEq/L and bicarbonateof 20 mEq/L. A serum toxicology screen was negative. Serum alcohols showed an ethanol level of 83 mEq/100ml. The diagnosis of nitrite-induced methemoglobinemia was made, and the patient was treated with 70 mg methyleneblue IV, 500 mg ascorbic acid IV, and oxygenby nasal prongs. This produceda rapid and marked improvementof the cyanosis, and the patient became calmer and re- oriented. He was admitted to the intensive care unit and had an uneventful clinical course. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0196064481800534 So it actually might be correct but im not sure if the stated cause would effect whether it is possible to be blue or not so i guess it's not as inaccurate at first seemed |
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