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| Well the only part that got me interested were the first minutes of episode one, then it switched to the real world and it just got boring. I always hate it when a show has two "worlds", just like sao alicization it always gets boring once you jump over to the real world, either because I obviously find the other world to be more interesting or because for some goddamn reason everytime it switches to the real world there's half an hour of dialogue without any visual representation of what they're talking about, wich usually is fine if the writting is good, but it isn't, especially for the characters, they feel so uninspired that it actually makes me upset. The animation and the music are just OK (and it's the first two episodes so expect a decline). Character design is trash. The mystery part is just as good as most of the mystery anime, meaning the author probably spent weeks thinking about how he could make it engaging and original (lol). So in the end I'll watch one or two more episodes, if it doesn't get better I'll gladly drop it. |
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| Sakaido got into the world throught a machine, but the girl? How did she get there? Also, the appearance of Sakaido in the fragmendted world is totally different from the real world, but the appearance of the girl was the same. I'll probably rewatch these two episodes. About the audio, i liked the ending song. 62/100 |
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| I liked it, it's kinda like Observer (a horrorish cyberpunk detective game where the protagonist is looking for his son, there is a similar system of diving into peoples minds). I just wonder who Sakaido killed, they did say you have to be a killer to be able to enter wells. Anyway, if her daugther was murdered then he probably killed the murderer. The fragmented world was very cool, as well as the drill one. Hondomachi pulled off something crazy and got to live. Looking forward to other trippy ones. |
| These first two episodes are good, the series seems interesting. I think now it’s normal it’s a bit confusing. |
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| As someone with a big interest in psychology i really enjoyed this. I like the concept that you can catch a serial killer based on their Id and that there is tech which allows you to even enter that part of a person's consciousness. I was surprised to hear Sakaido being voiced by Kenjirou Tsuda (Aizawa from BNHA)... the character design and VA didn't seem to fit at first but i actually like it. His character seems super awesome too; very mysterious and complex. Definitely looking forward to more of this! |
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| This has definitely got my attention. Looking forward to seeing where the story leads. |
| Yep, this is definetly the type of things that I like, mistery stuff, and it's actually really good, and the music/OST uuuff, I really like it. My only problem is with Sakaido, I really don't like the seiyuu when he does that type of voice, he did it too last season with a character in another mistry/detectives anime and I really don't like it. Just that, but that's personal. |
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| I'm not so hyped as everybody else, sorry. The detective part was weak as hell and we are getting basically info dumped first two episodes. Premise is interesting, I don't argue with that, animation is pretty good to me, but... what was The Mystery again? I'm thinking more about the world building than the case itself. No suspects. No "closed room" (even if they say the word, it goes nowhere. Or maybe I'm just dumb). No "how it's done". This is not a mystery show, it's a futuristic cop show, "criminal of the week". Stay tuned for the next week, when we catch another guy you see for the first time in your life! I'm not saying it's bad, I'm huge fan of tv-shows like Mentalist, iZombie etc etc, it's just... I've waited for something more than this. Trailer was soooo good, and reality is too dissapointing. To me it looks like Inception + Ghost in the Shell + PsychoPass. Cool premise, but very boring first arc. Let's see what's going to happen next, but if the second arc is bad too, I'm dropping it and going back to reading my Edogawa Ranpo and Higashino Keigo. 5/10 for now. For visuals, premise and catchy opening. |
| Though the killer's reason to attack people was lame as shit, I ended up being quite interested in this show's premise as well as its execution so far. I especially can't wait to see how Sakaido's subconscious will look like. Quite interesting episode overall. This series might have potential to become something incredibly good. Let's hope the director and co. can make it happen. |
Kimurah said: The idea that people can live after being pierced by a drill right into the lobe is incredibly hard to buy It has happened IRL tho. Kimurah said: the killer from this first case was able to switch places with one of his victims and managed to scape while in the ambulance. It's a serial killer trope. This anime is choke full with detective and serial killer tropes. Also takes stuff from sci-fi stories like The Minority Report and The Last Defender of Camelot. Yes, a very derivative show but you make it sound worst than it is. Kimurah said: Same goes for the younger investigator Hondomachi that managed to get inside Sakaido's well before becoming a victim with no explanation how she did it. She didn't. The MC saw her through the eyes/consciousness of the killer (same goes for the other victims - past or future). Also there was this jumping forwards and backwards in time you maybe missed. We firstly see her backpack and realise that she is abducted and only after that we see the actual abduction. When the MC was in her "well" - the investigating guys explicitly transferred him to her consciousness (or subconsciousness or whatever). Kimurah said: to see if more people stuck with this one. Why do you care if people are liking it when you don't? Just drop it and ignore it. |
Kimurah said: The idea that people can live after being pierced by a drill right into the lobe is incredibly hard to buy Well, I've seen a fully documented report about a small spanner into the lobe, and patient lived for years after it was removed, though he became a bit odd at conversations. And then chief will be revealed as John Walker. In the middle of the season. And it will snowball into a huge mindfuck, with the real mastermind being the machine itself. |
| English not native. Also, crazy, lazy and think in strange forms. Previously known as Ferasder. |
| Great episode, this is turning out to be really good! And that Gold ED, straight-up fire yo and the visuals really compliment the song! Definitely the best of the album (just ahead of that bonus track with Daoka imo), so hooked at the moment~ Anyway, the Op is pretty good too! It's been a while since I've seen and/or heard Sou's song featuring in an anime so that's really cool too. Enough about the Op/ED now, the mystery thickens even more now! John Walker is an interesting antagonist for now and I'm guessing we're slowly going to get more answers on him soon so I'll leave my impressions for then. @Ferasder, I can totally see the Chief turning out to be John Walker (obvious appearance indication for one thing) and then the show falling into downfall pit as a result of lack of ideas or depth etc. but here's to hoping we'll be spared of that far too contagious curse here. Kaeru-chan's presence is highly intriguing too, I wonder if there's a third party in this lurking somewhere. I hope we get a solid answer on this peculiar machine though. I don't know if the female detective tried to exaggerate a few things to throw him off or not but that isn't going to convince me one bit xD. Oh, and of course props to the lady there for going for that reckless move to exposing the criminal. It was nice to see a bit on irl Saizaki this episode, he's definitely not good news for that team leader given his manipulating-like vibe. Looks like he's out on a mystery for himself, meanwhile. Can't wait to see where this is going! I'm just going to back and chime in on the ED now. |
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| A strong start for this anime i am very hooked |
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| Who is Mizuhanome? Is it the machine which generates the "world"? |
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THICCDADDY1234 said: VeriSnekBoi said: Ok so this had a lot to unpack and grapple with and threw tons of ideas at viewers so I was hoping someone with better comprehension might help. Is kaeru supposed to be his daughter? How do they access these id wells? I initially assumed they would need the mind of the person somehow with a brain scan but it becomes obvious that can’t be the case. I realize it is early in the series and these are possibly questions it will answer later, just want to make sure they weren’t already answered and I missed them because I am dumb. His daughter's name is Muku, Kaede is like John Walker in that she is in basically every single one of the killers wells. I honestly don't really know how the whole getting into the brain thing works, but honestly I don't really think it matters much in the context of the show. My rudimentary guess is that the person who created the Personality Scanner thingy that measures killing-intent was a murderer him/herself, and Kaede was their first victim. So the baseline for all murderers that align with the Personality Scanner thingy will have to go thru Kaede first in order to make sense via the measurements of the device. |
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| Looks like Psycho Pass a bit tho,anyway it's very intresting |
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| Enjoyed it so far! Really interesting episode, imma stick around or the long run. The chief seems very suspicious tho. The art style is alright, I don’t really like their eyes that much but it doesn’t really matter much |
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Ferasder said: And then chief will be revealed as John Walker. In the middle of the season. And it will snowball into a huge mindfuck, with the real mastermind being the machine itself. First thought seeing the chief was him being John Walker, didnt consider the machine being the real mastermind, I like that. |
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ReLite_The_Hero said: Was anyone else getting Minority Report vibes or was it just me? It's a mish-mash of everything up to a kitchen sink, so yes, "Minority Report" was used too. Personally, I thought about a recent "AI: Somnium Files" visual novel. TrumpAnime said: First thought seeing the chief was him being John Walker, didnt consider the machine being the real mastermind, I like that. Let's try to one-up this guess? Kaeru (the dead girl MC is kicking himself about) will turn out to be the one orchestrated most part of the backstory, and after her physical death resides inside the machine, while the main villan is the detective, simultaneously being the hero (split personality, only weirder). Also, collating clues and hints. The techs don't really know how does the machine work. Wording allows interpretation that it was not built, but only found. Chief looks very similar to John Walker. Memories of John Walker are self-aware and scare serial killers. When detective dives, his avatar has alternative personality with different name. Probably intentional, with whole "brilliant detective" being part of the character in simulation, not him. Detective's driven by Kaeru being killed in the backstory, and he's a killer himself, possibly serial. |
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| This mostly falls flat for me though, and it does for the same reason that most Japanese 'detective' shows do. It's not about finding clues, pursuing leads, meeting a bunch of different people, chasing red herrings, twists, turns, etc etc. No, it's about a dude in a room who issues forth a spewing torrent of exposition. Okay, so in this case, it's a few dudes in a couple different rooms, but a lot of the exposition doesn't make much sense, in or out of context. |
| The link between the Chief and John Walker is a bit "too obvious" ; it has to be intentional, they want us to feel that way about the Chief, specially from such a "mind"-oriented show, otherwise it's a major oversight from the creators. So my guess is that either the Chief is John Walker, or the Chief has some part in the creation of the "john Walker" character by the machine. It's interesting to note that John Walker didn't appear in the Rookie's well, but Kaeru did, consolidating the theory that John Walker only appears in serial killers' wells (sure there were not much time in the Rookie's well, but that's an interesting point) and thus being a real person, and Kaeru being something created by the machine, or closely related to Sakaidou. |
| That was interesting, a rare feat coming from detective shows lately. |
| Was a lil bit better than episode 1. Still not enough to keep me watching. After TokuNana I'm a bit careful with these type of anime with special units with special powers (here the main guy that can dive into some "wells"). I doubt the plot will get more interesting. Probably the serial killer of the week until they catch the John Walker guy + some background plot about the main and his daughter. And the first episodic story was not that interesting. The confusing setting on top of that didn't make it more interesting. More like it got me less interested - cause it needs more explanation and there was too much talking and not even enough info. A normal crime story where a person could turn other into killers would have been more interesting. Without the sci-fi stuff. |
| Plot and story are interesting enough and seem to have a lot of potential, but feel it didn't do enough to explain events properly and keep me invested, will monitor stats at MSP club if it improves later on but for now i'll pass. |
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| We get it, show. You like Christopher Nolan movies. Between this and pet, I don't know which one is more needlessly obtuse. The technobabble certainly doesn't help here. And man, I love Tsuda Kenjirou, but his voice doesn't fit the MC at all. At least the visuals were cool. And that ED is a banger. |
| @Daniel_Naumov got it. Thanks for the explanation! |
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Daniel_Naumov said: you do this work for me! Explain the things people failed to understand I did nothing that impressive, just pointed at some very simple and obvious things. This is my maxim level of comprehension - the superficial level. Ewww. Stay away of me mister InTheNameOfGod_Overmind! |
| Okay, im hooked now. This show is getting better and better. |
| Looks good for me. And the opening song sounds familliar. No wonder, it's sou who sings it. But, i never thought i'd find his song this season. Lucky me x) I hope the next cases are going to be better. This case is good at the beginning but the murderer's motive slaps me in the face. And there are many things unclear for now. I kinda hope they explain about ID on the next episode. |
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| Better than the first episode and very interesting, still not entirely sure whats happening though |
| I like the story, quite similar to Psycho-Pass. Can't wait for the nxt episode. i wonder why his in jail... |
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| Not feeling it yet. I wish we can just get some regular whodunnit detective stuff instead of this sci-fi/supernatural bullshit. Psycho Pass 3 was ruined because of the mind-reading too. It ruins the excitement in solving murders with our protagonists. -GilgaSmash- said: The only detective shows that really did well are psycho pass , bungou stray dogs and babylon detective conan and kindaichi are much better at detective/mystery stuff compared to those three tbh psycho pass i wouldn't watch it for the mystery stuff but it's interesting to watch for the tech/ethics/society since everything is different from modern japan |
| I'll watch this just for that amazing ED. The story is pretty meh so far. |
| It was solid. The psychological parts were clever. Good dialogue and execution. But maybe it feels a bit unnecessary at this point. Not unnecessary to us as it's the most interesting part of the show, but unnecessary to the police in-universe...the setting isn't quite in harmony. Maybe we need a bit more world building. |
| Imagine not getting this. Jokes aside, people seem to mix up the genres. From the moment they started talking about id stuff it was clear that the show's gonna be more on psychological side than on detective one. It became obvious in this episode. I feel bad for people that were expecting more of a classic detective story, but personally I'm super interested, hopefully it will be one of my favorites this season. If you still decide to give this show a try, I'd recommend to try taking everything not so literally. Everything that happens in "id wells" is more or less metaphorical, because it's literally someone's subconscious. "The great detective" could sound funny in the previous episode, but now it became clear that it's just a name of a role. When MC dives into a well, almost all of his memories are supressed, he is concentrated only on his role as a genius detective who should solve some mystery. Idk, maybe it's kind of a guarantee that he can quickly brace himself in these unusual worlds and start looking for clues. About the first two worlds: maybe little squares and drills are boring, but I think it's not unusual that the subconscious of a serial killer is not so complex. He's just a broken person fixated on his bizarre idea, so the representation of it is kinda simple. As for the girl, I guess her id well wasn't "normal" (it was said that id wells are formed using the intent to kill, but did she really want to kill Perforator? I think she just wanted justice, not sure if that counts. UPD: well, it can also be because of her intention to kill herself for the sake of investigation, I think she didn't have any real hopes for surviving the drill. But still, "intent to kill someone" and "intent to kill yourself" are not quite the same). And, well, a drill in someone's skull seems overwhelming enough to dominate not only their conscious, but their subconscious as well, so what could there even be besides these countless drills. P. S. This is stupid, but I thought of some kind of NGE-like setting with these machines, Mizuhanome and Wakumusubi. Something like, what if Mizuhanome contains some part of Sakaido's soul and Wakumusubi contains some part of his daughter's soul, lol (or vice versa). This stuff is mostly for laughs only but I got similarly weird feeling because of all that personification of the machines, like Mizuhanome is a well goddess and Wakumusubi is her child. P. P. S. Haruki Murakami fans, anyone? It's likely a coincidence, but John (Johnny) Walker as a mysterious serial killer (like in "Kafka on the Shore") and this well theme going on... |
Kurisu53Jan 13, 2020 2:11 PM
Lanz said: It was solid. The psychological parts were clever. Good dialogue and execution. But maybe it feels a bit unnecessary at this point. Not unnecessary to us as it's the most interesting part of the show, but unnecessary to the police in-universe...the setting isn't quite in harmony. Maybe we need a bit more world building. I quite like the jarring mixture of real world and ID well worlds. Makes me question where we are at all times. |
| So that was the conclusion.. While I found the concept, the analysis, the interrogation interesting and exciting as if I'm watching a complex mystery, I'm kinda disappointed with the payoff. Sure it's fun following along as the puzzle comes together, I just can't help but feel like the case was solved like scooby doo. I mean... complex puzzle but the answer they come up with is so simple: The suspect's mind is broken. Sigh.... Talking with the deceased is very neat concept, the story could've benifited from that if each of those has anything to do with the killer or a secret backstory kinda surfaced from that. |
jestynJan 13, 2020 10:42 PM
| It's pretty ok, but didn't catch me as much as Pet. |
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