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Dec 4, 2013 8:56 AM
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Great episode. Ah Lady Koko and her bitch slap..

Oh snap sensei. Some ideologies just don't mix well. Lol, it's not a fireworks but I have to admit that sensei fights pretty well. Koto...she should value her life a bit more and listen to Myoue imo.
Dec 4, 2013 8:59 AM
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She knows immediately that she's the cause, and she is taking care of it. The world was made by force by Ishida-san's character? The existences of mother Koto is like fake just because she gave the power to her? SuzuKen's character is the one who woke her up. "WHAT?" @ the end.
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Dec 4, 2013 2:32 PM
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It's not your fault, Koto... I really love Koto's character. She's definitely one of my favorite characters because she is amazingly strong both physically and mentally. I can't wait for what she'll do in the next two episodes!

The preview just makes it harder for me to wait for the next episode, though.
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Dec 4, 2013 5:15 PM
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See what you can do in 23min? Good job Toei! I have to find some place to squeeze Kyousogiga in my top 5 favorites! I couldn't help myself but feel so excited throughout the episode!

That slap was so original! Inari's character is so interesting! In fact, I like every character in Kyousogiga!
Dec 4, 2013 7:16 PM
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Dat preview.

Koto getting depressed, then snapping out of it. Quite a few things cleared up, but Mama Koto's location and how Bishamaru somehow connected to her is still a question... and what exactly is Inari's goals?

Can't wait for next episode.
Dec 4, 2013 8:26 PM
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Koto is such a beast, threatening to end everything all together.

I was dreading the end of this it was such a good episode, can't wait for next week.



Dec 4, 2013 8:43 PM
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So many reveals!

- Inari confirmed as a god and his previous history with Shrine(though the latter needs to be elaborated on a little more especially what being an Observer entailed which the preview for next week hints at)
- Koto inheriting the powers of the Bodhisattva
- Shrine's role of the universe along with the Mirror Capital

This episode also reminded me how much I loved the art style of this show
Also Koto being Koto with the scream and her declaration before the ED X D

Only thing I was confused about along with all of the other characters was how Yase got amnesia. Fucking Inari "Oh it's already happening to her?" Stop keeping us in the dark dammit!
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Dec 4, 2013 9:49 PM
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Things got serious at the end there. Those punches from Koto and Myoue must've hurt.
Dec 4, 2013 10:33 PM
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damn so Koto is a fusion of a god and buddha but is their a difference between a buddha and god? lol either way the story is about to be concluded now, great ride!
Dec 4, 2013 10:44 PM

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I was amazed by Lady Koto's slap to Inari. Classic. Then that punch. Haha.
Glad to see the human form of the other familiars.
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Dat preview.

Koto getting depressed, then snapping out of it. Quite a few things cleared up, but Mama Koto's location and how Bishamaru somehow connected to her is still a question... and what exactly is Inari's goals?

Can't wait for next episode.


I discussed this in the last discussion forum, but basically Bishamaru works by counteracting the magic imbued in the RAW, or the hammer (if you want a better explanation, message me). It was revealed that the hammer and Inari's sword both have the ability to open up dimensions, so I think Bishamaru acted as an artificial gateway between the Shrine Central and the Mirror Capital (which is revealed as the "thirteenth parallel" in this episode). As to why Koto ended up where her mom was is not entirely clear, but my theory is that the gateway was "well-hidden," because Inari was trying his hardest to hide the Mirror Capital from being discovered. Hence the gateway's all the way out in space and not on Earth (where I assume the Shrine Central is).

As for Inari's goals, we know so far:
1) He's trying to save Bunny Koto (but the anime has not yet explained how and why Bunny Koto was trapped on the moon)
2) He's trying to protect the Mirror Capital, because he said "do you know how important it is to have someone by your side," and he's probably referring to Bunny Koto as well as his children. Since life in the Shrine Central is boring and lifeless, Mirror Capital means that much more to Inari
Dec 4, 2013 11:25 PM

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I'm not feeling it. I probably expected too much from the stellar first 5 episodes, but the last 3 really just don't feel like they've been cut from the same cloth.

It's not bad. Just definitely on a lower tier compared to what came before.
Dec 5, 2013 1:25 AM

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It all makes sense now

yase t.t

Dat ost... I'm not getting bored w/ the ost lol

Dec 5, 2013 4:45 AM

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Myoue seems more like the main character than Koto.
Dec 5, 2013 5:48 AM
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Kentaku said:
Myoue seems more like the main character than Koto.


Are you serious? All Myoue did was help Koto regain her confidance. Overall he's pretty irrelevant to the plot. It's all about Koto. She's the main character. That's why she gets to decide what to do to fix things up and save the world.
Dec 5, 2013 6:00 AM

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Pretty damn well episode. Inari is still acting so cold despite his affection and love towards Lady Koto and his children c':

Yase has amnesia ?! WHAT. That's unexpected.

inb4 , aren't Inari a god ? A god can do anything ... right ?

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Kentaku said:
Myoue seems more like the main character than Koto.


Are you serious? All Myoue did was help Koto regain her confidance. Overall he's pretty irrelevant to the plot. It's all about Koto. She's the main character. That's why she gets to decide what to do to fix things up and save the world.


Myoue x Koto. W-Wait , would that be incest ?
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Dec 5, 2013 6:06 AM

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I think Inari spilt his heart/the pomegranate into half and that became Myoue's heart, then after that he spilt his pomegranate into half again and that became Koto? Because at the end he said, 'Koto, my other self'.

Though I may be wrong >w> 2 more episodes TT~TT I hate it when anime ends.
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so koto is the reason why the mirror capital's falling apart (and also the reason the shrine found out about the mirror capital?)
inari hid the mirror capital from the shrine and now koto wants to destroy the other dimensions too if the mirror capital and her family won't be saved.
wow, probably the first time while watching that everything connected and made sense! haha :)
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1idd0kun said:
Kentaku said:
Myoue seems more like the main character than Koto.


Are you serious? All Myoue did was help Koto regain her confidance. Overall he's pretty irrelevant to the plot. It's all about Koto. She's the main character. That's why she gets to decide what to do to fix things up and save the world.


Woah there. Kentaku was prolly only saying that because Myoue has helped out Koto so much, from letting her live with him, protecting her from harm even if it meant fighting his own siblings, helped regain her confidence, etc. So Kentaku was probably just stating that Myoue is without a doubt one of the best supporting characters, so much so that he has as much impact as a "main character." As for your statement, I disagree with Myoue being irrelevant to the plot. I mean, Myoue is THE Myoue. Myoue has part of Inari in his body, so he may very well be a part of Inari's big plan too (the anime has yet to explain why Inari needed to transfer his powers to someone else, when I feel like he didn't need to). And not to mention during the episode, the Head Priest guy was surprised when Myoue shook off all the little spirits with his beads. So Myoue's power is not to be ignored in the grand scheme of things (or in our case, in the next two episodes).
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Awesome episode. Many of my questions were answered and I'm very satisfied. I'm definitely rewatching all the episodes for Christmas after it ends.
Dec 5, 2013 6:06 PM

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Confirmed for best show of the year.
Dec 5, 2013 6:15 PM

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Kind of devastated that there's only two more episodes.
Dec 6, 2013 5:31 AM

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This is great. Questions are finally being answered.
Koto is also a part of Inari O_O
I don't know what Lady Koto's powers are though.
Oh well, Greeeeat episode!
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Dec 6, 2013 6:46 AM

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Wow, new characters... the lady could even control those little demons (but why we have four instead of just two?)

A lot of destruction but somehow I got a bit annoyed with dad Myoue keeps being evasive with explanation and even gives insensitive remarks of all the mess happening around, including the loss of memory of his daughter.

And of course the jinja master just stood there and gave the younger Myoue all the time to talk to young Koto and rouse her spirit lol

And the solution of the younger Koto is just the usual impetuous unthinking brute force approach -- I will destroy everything if I don't get my wish lol If the jinja master was right in saying that nothing can be helped to keep the artificial world, then all Koto can achieve is just more destruction, right? But of course I'd expect some miraculous solution would come up so that Koto does not have to carry out her threat lol

And still we don't know what happened to mama Koto after she left the artificial world. Wasn't she supposed to give her body back to the Kannon-sama? So why could she sustain her human form? And what happened to papa Myoue after he left with Koto? Did he leave not just because of Koto's departure, but also because he could not stay away from the real world forever due to his Observer job?
symbvDec 6, 2013 6:50 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Dec 6, 2013 12:09 PM

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Wow crazy.
Good episode.
Dec 6, 2013 1:17 PM

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Best episode so far imho. I loved the OST during the Shrine's entrance.
Also finally we understand a lot more.

But there is one thing that I don't understand: Why is Nase losing her memory?
Dec 6, 2013 1:57 PM

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Great Episode , I wanted to cry that moment :"|
sad only 2 episodes left +1 specialcI want more >_<

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damn so Koto is a fusion of a god and buddha but is their a difference between a buddha and god? lol either way the story is about to be concluded now, great ride!


Humm, not an easy question to answer when it comes to Japan. First there really should be 3 categories Gods, buddha and Kami. While Kami is always translated as "God" in English, it really isn't a good translation. I wouldn't even compare a kami to a greek "god". Their roles and powers are just too different. Second, the Japanese view of religion is very very different than it is in the west.

In Japan, Kami just exist. They have some ability to grant fortune, but they really aren't that well defined. Even Amaterasu, supposedly the chief Japanese "god", outside of being associated with the sun and a handful of legends, really doesn't have a personality or defined powers. People go to pray at Ise because that is what the Japanese do, she is supposed to be the founder of the Imperial family, and well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to pray to her, you wouldn't want to annoy her you know.
That is what most Kami's are like. Most of them are very regional and people pray to them, not because they believe in them for the most part, but because that is what their family has done for the past 2000 years and, well Japan is a country that has accepted Pascal's Wager.

Buddhas are more tangible. They also are not gods. They can help people, but most buddhas are humans who have become enlightened, but out of compassion have decided to stay and help humans rather than go to Nirvana. The Japanese pray to buddhas because again it can't hurt. Buddhism also has a monopoly on the afterlife in Japan (where as Shinto has a monopoly on births, Christianity has done a good job at carving out marriage, but Shinto handles that as well).

Kamis are the native Japanese folk religion, Buddhism is a transplant that decided to try to assimilate the Kami. From around 700 AD - 1869 AD, Kami were, for all intents, appendages to Buddhist shrines, but starting with the Meiji period there was a campaign to assert Kamis (now called Shinto) and suppress Buddhism. While this campaign failed, it did completely separate the two in people's mind. It has been only relatively recently that the two have been flowing back towards one another.
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See, that is how you get things done. Threaten to destroy all of creation.
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Good episode mostly.
I know I'm missing something though. Just don't have good enough memory
Dec 6, 2013 9:54 PM
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I'm not feeling it. I probably expected too much from the stellar first 5 episodes, but the last 3 really just don't feel like they've been cut from the same cloth.

It's not bad. Just definitely on a lower tier compared to what came before.


I agree completely this episode felt very rushed
Dec 7, 2013 1:30 AM

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Disappointing(rushed and dragged at the same time lol) episode overall but the end was fantastic.

And about Kami(神) thing, it's pretty much pointless as saying "Dragon and 竜 are different". Far-East-Asians perceive G(g)od(s) all the same as 神 and don't care about such difference. It's just Americans who put too much weight on the word "God".
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Amarrez said:
I'm not feeling it. I probably expected too much from the stellar first 5 episodes, but the last 3 really just don't feel like they've been cut from the same cloth.

It's not bad. Just definitely on a lower tier compared to what came before.


I completely agree and exactly with that count of episodes. The episodes from when the mother came back have been surprisingly weak and I'm just not really feeling it.
Dec 7, 2013 8:36 AM

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Dat Koto and Myoue at the end.
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Dec 7, 2013 11:25 AM
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I'm sad that this is only 10 episodes.
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best episode, depending on the last 2 episodes i may be giving this a 10, i love how so much of the series makes sense because of the explanations this episode. Koto's developments in addition to that scene myoue were just phenominal, music is 10/10 worthy as always, animation was gorgeous and the emotions conveyed in this episode were just something else

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Myoue x Koto. W-Wait , would that be incest ?
considering koto is the only one of them that is actually lady koto and inari's kid, though isnt myoue like years older than koto....and already in a relationship

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Dec 7, 2013 3:37 PM
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Made a doll Yase. Since there is only one episode, right? The series right now is very good.
Dec 8, 2013 3:21 AM

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i can't help but love the ending of this episode. Gutsy Koto.

Time to find out how everything will be resolved. All of reality depends on it!
Dec 8, 2013 11:28 AM
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Wow, new characters... the lady could even control those little demons (but why we have four instead of just two?)


Agents of the Shrine are given two Komaiun. Papa-Myoue had two, Koto when she became an agent has two, and I believe these were the Shrine Masters two Komainu (notice how they stood behind him when he was lecturing Koto and then shuddered when he asked who had told her about the 13th plane). The lady behind the Shrine Master seems to have the power to control ALL the Komainu.

Though this show hasn't said it, I believe that when you become an agent of the shrine you really become a "Kami" (humans actually become Kami all the time), and in Japan every Kami has two Komainu protecting their shrine (in the Gingitsune they are called the "heralds" of the Kami, notice how there are supposed to be two). Papa-Myoue 's fox mask indicates that he is the Kami "Inari" (which again is the same god in Gingitsue, and is the Kami with the most shrines in Japan), the other masked shrine agents are other Kami. Interestingly they all were shown sort of isolating Inari, which would make sense in that Inari really isn't a traditional Shinto Kami from the Kojiki or Nihon Shoki (the two main sources of Japanese mythology), as is a bit of an unknown interloper.

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And of course the jinja master just stood there and gave the younger Myoue all the time to talk to young Koto and rouse her spirit lol


The Jinja Master is not evil, he really did not want to destroy the 13th plane. Don't forget he knew about mama-Koto, so he knew about the world. He had actually protected it as long as he could, so he is in no real hurry to destroy it. He also wanted MC-Koto to accept so he could at least save her, if not everyone else in the world.

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And the solution of the younger Koto is just the usual impetuous unthinking brute force approach -- I will destroy everything if I don't get my wish lol If the jinja master was right in saying that nothing can be helped to keep the artificial world, then all Koto can achieve is just more destruction, right? But of course I'd expect some miraculous solution would come up so that Koto does not have to carry out her threat lol


The really bizarre thing is that this IS in keeping with Buddhism (and don't forget that Koto is also a Buddha). This world is as much an illusion as the 13th plane, and in order to reach nirvana you literally have to shatter this illusion (as the famous Koan goes: "If you meet the Buddha, kill him" (this Koan is attributed to LInji, the founder of the Rinzai school of Zen, this is interesting because the person who brought the Rinzai school to Japan was the same person who gave Myoue the tea leaves (which I mentioned back in 5.5))) of this world. That is what Koto is doing. The shrine master faulted Inari for forsaking his responsibility and becoming attached to Koto and his family, in Buddhism "attachment" to anything in reality, is the ultimate "sin".

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And still we don't know what happened to mama Koto after she left the artificial world. Wasn't she supposed to give her body back to the Kannon-sama? So why could she sustain her human form? And what happened to papa Myoue after he left with Koto? Did he leave not just because of Koto's departure, but also because he could not stay away from the real world forever due to his Observer job?


Myoue returned to working for the Shrine, taking the younger Koto with him as part of his deal to prevent Jinja from destroying the 13th plane when it was initially discovered. Koto accepted imprisonment because the Shrine Master made it a requirement for him to leave the 13th plane alone (remember he said that they younger Koto destroyed mama-Koto's monitoring device).

Buddhas think in terms of billions of years, so most likely the time to return the body has not come (or perhaps ever would come because that would be a form of "attachment"). Koto's form wasn't tied to the artificial world, since Myoue created it for her after she was embodied, so there is no reason to think leaving it would have an impact.

That the writer meant most of this stuff is pretty clear in that he actually said that Koto was a syncretic being. Syncretism is what you call the merger of Shito and Buddhism (I explained this back on 5 I think, that for roughly 1,000 years the Kami and Buddhas were considered one thing, it was only from 1867-1872 when there was a systematic attempt to destroy Buddhism in Japan, that the two became separate). Inari and the Kumano Shrines (which I talked about over on RDG)(a bit can be read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumano_shrine) are the best remaining examples of Syncretism in Japan. As Episode 5.5 shows, he knows what he was talking about with both Buddhism and Shinto, so there is meaning behind all things.
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And about Kami(神) thing, it's pretty much pointless as saying "Dragon and 竜 are different". Far-East-Asians perceive G(g)od(s) all the same as 神 and don't care about such difference. It's just Americans who put too much weight on the word "God".


First, this was originally an "American" site, so there is benefit to explaining it if only too "Americans". Second, this doesn't imply "just" to Americans, but also Canadians, Europeans, and Australians, the totality of which would be a majority of people on this site.

Third, and most importantly, no not all "Far-East Asians" have the same view of Gods. Kami are ingenuous to Japan and no "Far East Asian" country has anything similar to them (Korea it seems used to, but that was nearly 2,000 years ago, Taosim, Buddhism and Confucianism totally wiped it out).

If the difference between "Dragon and 竜" was essential for understanding the plot of a story, then yes, the difference should be pointed out, otherwise all you are saying is "let them wallow in their ignorance", which is something I adamantly oppose.
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This show has completely blown my expectations out of the water and is quickly becoming one of my favorites. Can't wait to find out how they end up wrapping everything together.
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I've come to notice that any scene which features song number 38 from the OST, 世界の果てまでも, (Roughly translates to Till the Ends of the Earth) instantly becomes fucking epic.
The car bashing scene from episode 00, the lightning scene from episode 1, and then Shrine's entrance scene in this episode. Holy shit I came from my eyes and ears and then rewatched that scene like 10 times. Still VERY happy I was able to pick up a copy of the OST in Akihabara.
Achieve your mission with all your might.
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Besides when it was stated that Koto was a mixture of Kami and Buddha, is there any other hinting that Inari is a god?

I mean, being able to create a whole new worldline is a huge feat in itself but where else did they hint at it?
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I want a familiar (or two), even if Shrine-thugs can turn them against me.
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Well that "sort of" explained things.

Lots of fun destruction this episode. Way to go Koto, you broke the multiverse.
Dec 17, 2013 9:18 PM

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So how was that woman able to control Aa and Un?
Dec 19, 2013 1:59 PM

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ooh, so good =D

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DawnJ said:
it's pretty much pointless as saying "Dragon and 竜 are different".


The two are in fact different. It's two words from two different languages and culture. Think of each of them as a set. There is an intersection between the two sets. However, the two sets are not equal.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
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Another impressive episode, things sure are going to get quite interesting in the next coming episodes!
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The Head Priest looked worried when Koto was about to be attacked by the four spirits. And wow, a depressed Koto, never thought that would happen.

Dat preview. Seems like they are going to drop everything next episode.

Myoue/Inari seems so distant and cold from his family. He barely interacted with any of his children or even Lady Koto.
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