Kami no Tou: Ouji no Kikan Episode 12 Discussion

One of the best few episodes. We finally get our long-waited appearance of the whole Bam's old team! I'm glad Dan's still alive and I'm glad he didn't lose hope.

Aside from waiting for Khun and Bam reunion, this is the first time ever this season had me screaming and super duper excited for the next episode!!! I mean yeah I'm the webtoon reader but I have the memory of a goldfish. I don't remember a single thing. I don't even remember they exchanged team for the Workshop Battle lol. But the tension, the build-up for what's coming next, I cannot waitttt!!

I guess this season has 13 episodes? Since we only have one last panel left in the ending. Sure this season has so many downside, some disappointment, but as a fan, I'm still enjoying everything that I watched. Having only 1 episode left, I find this very upsetting 😭😭😭

@tinker3bellz1 For better or worse, there's more than an episode left. It's a two cour season, so I would guess around 13 or 14 episodes are still coming.

One of the best few episodes. We finally get our long-waited appearance of the whole Bam's old team! I'm glad Dan's still alive and I'm glad he didn't lose hope.

Aside from waiting for Khun and Bam reunion, this is the first time ever this season had me screaming and super duper excited for the next episode!!! I mean yeah I'm the webtoon reader but I have the memory of a goldfish. I don't remember a single thing. I don't even remember they exchanged team for the Workshop Battle lol. But the tension, the build-up for what's coming next, I cannot waitttt!!

I guess this season has 13 episodes? Since we only have one last panel left in the ending. Sure this season has so many downside, some disappointment, but as a fan, I'm still enjoying everything that I watched. Having only 1 episode left, I find this very upsetting 😭😭😭

Is this second season a 2-cours long?

literally me when I lie:

Man FUG is so annoying, still a great name though. I was about to say "why is it such a big deal for Yoru to obey them if in the end they kill Khun anyway, they should team up and just struggle" but I guess it's not easy, they are stronger than them. So the solution of the red hair lady is the only way out of this, for them to prove to be a good team for Yoru, win this thing, and then get stronger and eventually be like "fuck off FUG, I'm strong enough that you can't tell me what to do now". That's why they can't talk Mazino into killing Jahad probably, cause he won't take orders from them, they wanted an Irregular egg and raise him themselves. No clue why they would aid Rachel, maybe cause they know it's his weakness and she's easy to control?

Like others said, this ep was better but still not changing that this season is mediocre. It's not just the fact that the story this arc is sort of meh, it's the fact season 1's biggest feature was the animation and great soundtrack, now the soundtrack is still here I guess but the animation is so bad and the story didn't get better, which was already pretty bland (sure it gets better in a hundred chapters, I've heard this before ToG fans, I don't really care about that right now though!). Also the Khun monologue was cringe, all of that to conclude what he already came up with last episode, it's not rocket science, stop making it like you are thinking about a math problem, you are suppose to be super smart. Nice to see Rak!

Ok you know what, I'm also talking about it as well, two things I really don't like, besides the bad animation and the not so great story arcs in this sequel, stuff that was also in season 1: The confusing and unoriginal power system and the annoying characters. The power system is crazy I'm sure, so much lore, but I don't really like it that much, it probably is just a flaw in the exposition, or it's really like this and it's just stupid, but I can't take it seriously how they are all throwing rays and shit but there's only one wave user which I thought was the only mystical power. That's why I love Rak, bro just swings a fucking Spear, that's simple and great! Then we have Endorsi and Anaak fighting and she starts using Shinsui like it's a thing everyone uses now (even though I thought you needed a contract to use it) so it boosts your power, that's fine I guess, nothing new honestly, but then each guy has their own weird powers, like Yeon girl has flames, why? Ran, I love Ran, maybe cause he's essentially lazy Killua, but that's what I mean, he uses Lightning, and all this time I'm like "whatever it's probably powered by Shinsui" I think, and then the dude next to him is like "A WAVE USER" so you are telling me all the shit they used till now wasn't shinsui??. Look I'm not ranting just to get some ToG geek try to explain me the power system, just saying that it's either unoriginal and confusing or unoriginal and badly explained in the show.

Now the characters, ok everyone can have some supernatural powers, others like Khun just use a knife, or like the blond mc, use pokeball bombs I guess, surely it's great that most people have random powers and then some don't but, this is just something I thought all the time and finally read someone say it a week ago, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE WEAK CHARACTERS, they are just annoying, I hated Shibisu but at least he was sort of funny, sword dude was also useless but still cool looking at least. Now normally you don't really need everyone to be a fighter...but maybe you do if they are climbing the tower. Like the cast of characters for Yoru's new group feels like such a downgrade (I hate the scenes where they all chill and make fun of the burned food for the 10th time, this is also something I read someone said and it made me feel like I wasn't insane for thinking it was so boring). The lady with the glasses I have a theory so I don't mind her being her but...and ACTUAL child, with no power what so ever, in a world full of people throwing rays and shit, just feels so pointless

Sorry, but you just did xDD



It is really the fault of bad adaptation and lack of explanations, so I don't blame you. The power system in ToG might not be as complicated and batshit insane creative as in HxH, but it is at least quite self-consistent and tied into the world. Shinsu is somewhat like Nen, but not quite. While Nen is something innate to the users (i.e. their life force), the Shinsu is something that users just borrow from the outside environment (i.e. "mana"). Nobody inside the Tower can use Shinsu by themselves, only if they are assisted by the Floor's Guardian\Administrator. The Irregulars being the exception of course. Once you are allowed to use it, you are still limited by your skill\talent in terms of actual capacity of Shinsu you can manipulate, as well as techniques etc. The difference to Nen here is also that it depends on natural\environmental conditions - some areas have very little Shinsu concentrations and you can't do much with it (outer areas of the Tower), some have larger than average (the closer to the center and the higher - the better), and some areas have natural Shinsu concentrations that are outright lethal to most beings. Another difference to Nen is that Shinsu also acts as a material substance, so in the areas with progressively denser Shinsu it is becoming harder to even move (in the upper floors Shinsu in the air has the density of water and a pressure like at very high depths at that).

Other than that, the standard Shinsu techniques are very straightforward, and simpler than in HxH. The most basic technique is a Body Reinforcement (think: Ren), which protect from physical\Shinsu damage (very important), amplify muscles, to physically attack, or even to keep yourself alive through grave injuries. Everybody in the (Inner) Tower has to learn Body Reinforcement regardless of the role, otherwise you won't last long. Other techniques physically manipulate Shinsu in one way or another, be it through some material element (water, ice, lightning, fire), making physical items through Shinsu, or directly manipulating flow of Shinsu in the area (like make Shinsu move out of some area completely, making people there physically suffocate and die). There are other more complicated techniques such as Anima ("monster taming\summoning") but we'll leave it at that.

Any physical weapons in ToG are either directly made of Shinsu, or have to be physically reinforced by it, otherwise they are useless. Because of high density, most of the weapons tend to be of a piercing type, because it is getting very hard to swing something in high density Shinsu even if you are very strong. Swords aren't very popular at higher floors for example, and rapier-like needles are preferred instead. Spears are used for the same reason. Spears are also more like guns, because they are used with Shinsu to either project themselves (spears that Rak use), or to concentrate Shinsu in the target direction (spears that Ran uses, and that are popular in Khun Family).

Finally, most of the stuff in ToG was originally named\themed for the sea \ marine life and activities. Much was lost in translation even in the Webtoon\Manhwa. Shinsu is water, the Tower is an ocean. "Monsters" in the Tower are fishes or other marine life (literally Shinheuh, "Divine Sea Animal"). Main positions include Fisherman (literally trained to use a fishing rod like weapon to catch\manipulate objects), Lighthouse Bearer, Spear Bearer (as in spearfishing), Wave Controller (directly controlling flow of water\Shinsu). Its true that later on it gets somewhat pushed aside with lazor rays and big firebolts thrown around, but I'd say the author kind of gets back to that in later chapters, with new abilities again looking more like water\marine based, at least in part.




It's just a very long manhwa with a lot of characters. Some characters develop, most fall off due to insane powercreep when the plot starts to revolve around Rankers\High Rankers. Some just disappear without a trace (YY we still remember you girl). But the actual point of the ToG is that its a big world and most of normal people are just that - normal - nothing to really excel at and so they can't compete eventually - and fall off or die. On the other hand, strength alone isn't a key for success while climbing the Tower, if you have intelligence or social skills. Characters like Shibisu or even Hwa Ryun are super weak compared to most of the characters, especially later on - but they still succeed and defeat much stronger foes because of their wits or social connections. The weak child Miseng actually has one of the best character developments in the series, although she also has no chance to powercreep pace.

I'm more baffled by it being still pretty highly rated, this season is barely a 5 at most and that's being generous. Like do people have absolutely no standards or are they so extremely low that they will watch anything and call it great as long as it's in anime format?

I remember one guy was trying to glaze this season back in the first couple of episodes while saying that it didn't matter how shit the animation is, it's still really good as long as it continues the story ;d After another like 3 episodes dude changed his mind completely and decided that there is no point in lying to himself to defend this thing and agreed that it's actually a massive disappointment to the fans.

When the studio doesn't have to animate a fight and takes its time with the episode it can actually turn out decent...

Khun needs to take this into his own hands, hack into the studio with his lightcube and start carrying this sht on-screen and off-screen cuz there ain't no way the Workshop Battle can be good if the animation is absolutely cheeks. If they mess up the arc with probably the least battle, how are they gonna manage the literal tournament arc. On a more positive note, the OP/ED still slap, and its one of the times where I never skip the ED because it's too much of a feels-good watch remembering all the peak moments from the manhwa.

Well Dan is actually still alive so that's good I guess. Apparently Rachel can't finish the job as both Dan and Bam survived although, according to Dan, she let him live so that he could see how it is to live without usable legs.

So with Khun joining forces to take on the Workshop Battle, does that mean he will fight with both Bam's current and old teammates? I wasn't too clear on that part since Bam's old teammates are still around like Rak, Endorsi, etc.

Again just fuck Rachel.