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Takuan_Soho said: Someone above wrote that the "tree diagram" being destroyed was a huge plot hole. Not really. If destroying it somehow stopped the "Level 6 shift project" then yes it would be a deus ex machina, however since it's destruction had no impact on the plot of railgun, it isn't a deus ex machina. No, I said it was a Diabolus ex Machina without the knowledge from Index. Not a plot hole or a deus ex machina. Without these Touma scenes, Touma would be a deus ex machina. Takuan_Soho said: Tallon's argument in the two posts you shared were inaccurate, far from this undermining the "stand alone" status, episode 12 was a firm confirmation of it, showing that WAS the author's intent to make Railgun stand alone. Exactly. The entire point of the Touma scenes is to make Railgun S stand alone. This way Railgun only fans won't have to wonder how the hell Touma got there. |
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CreationBreaker said: Takuan_Soho said: Someone above wrote that the "tree diagram" being destroyed was a huge plot hole. Not really. If destroying it somehow stopped the "Level 6 shift project" then yes it would be a deus ex machina, however since it's destruction had no impact on the plot of railgun, it isn't a deus ex machina. No, I said it was a Diabolus ex Machina without the knowledge from Index. Not a plot hole or a deus ex machina. Without these Touma scenes, Touma would be a deus ex machina. Takuan_Soho said: Tallon's argument in the two posts you shared were inaccurate, far from this undermining the "stand alone" status, episode 12 was a firm confirmation of it, showing that WAS the author's intent to make Railgun stand alone. Exactly. The entire point of the Touma scenes is to make Railgun S stand alone. This way Railgun only fans won't have to wonder how the hell Touma got there. Pretty much, which is why to enjoy Railgun, you need to watch Index(or better yet, read the novels) so you can actually get a gist of why things happen, oh and enjoy the characters. |
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GodlyKyon said: CreationBreaker said: Takuan_Soho said: Someone above wrote that the "tree diagram" being destroyed was a huge plot hole. Not really. If destroying it somehow stopped the "Level 6 shift project" then yes it would be a deus ex machina, however since it's destruction had no impact on the plot of railgun, it isn't a deus ex machina. No, I said it was a Diabolus ex Machina without the knowledge from Index. Not a plot hole or a deus ex machina. Without these Touma scenes, Touma would be a deus ex machina. Takuan_Soho said: Tallon's argument in the two posts you shared were inaccurate, far from this undermining the "stand alone" status, episode 12 was a firm confirmation of it, showing that WAS the author's intent to make Railgun stand alone. Exactly. The entire point of the Touma scenes is to make Railgun S stand alone. This way Railgun only fans won't have to wonder how the hell Touma got there. Pretty much, which is why to enjoy Railgun, you need to watch Index(or better yet, read the novels) so you can actually get a gist of why things happen, oh and enjoy the characters. I wouldn't say that at least for this season, thus far, that a Railgun fan needs to read Index. With the exception of how Tree Diagram was destroyed, the production team has been doing a good job of keeping the show stand alone and the Touma scenes are a great example of that. |
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CreationBreaker said: GodlyKyon said: CreationBreaker said: Takuan_Soho said: Someone above wrote that the "tree diagram" being destroyed was a huge plot hole. Not really. If destroying it somehow stopped the "Level 6 shift project" then yes it would be a deus ex machina, however since it's destruction had no impact on the plot of railgun, it isn't a deus ex machina. No, I said it was a Diabolus ex Machina without the knowledge from Index. Not a plot hole or a deus ex machina. Without these Touma scenes, Touma would be a deus ex machina. Takuan_Soho said: Tallon's argument in the two posts you shared were inaccurate, far from this undermining the "stand alone" status, episode 12 was a firm confirmation of it, showing that WAS the author's intent to make Railgun stand alone. Exactly. The entire point of the Touma scenes is to make Railgun S stand alone. This way Railgun only fans won't have to wonder how the hell Touma got there. Pretty much, which is why to enjoy Railgun, you need to watch Index(or better yet, read the novels) so you can actually get a gist of why things happen, oh and enjoy the characters. I wouldn't say that at least for this season, thus far, that a Railgun fan needs to read Index. With the exception of how Tree Diagram was destroyed, the production team has been doing a good job of keeping the show stand alone and the Touma scenes are a great example of that. I agree with that! I don't see why either side would isolately watch either, aside from if they really dislike biribiri, or Touma |
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Takuan_Soho said: Luckily the manga skipped the Remnant arc so who,why and how was Tree Diagram destroyed is,for now,unnecessary.CreationBreaker said: No, I said it was a Diabolus ex Machina without the knowledge from Index. Not a plot hole or a deus ex machina. Without these Touma scenes, Touma would be a deus ex machina. Thanks for the correction. While we are in agreement on most things, I would like to argue the point that it wasn't even a Diabolus ex Machina even without knowledge from Index. Who actually destroyed the Tree Diagram may be a mystery to a "non-index" viewer, but it would not create that big of a question or discrepancy for this viewer, because the Tree Diagram proved to have no impact upon the plot of Railgun. It was merely the latest in a series of steps Mikasa had taken in an attempt to stop the "Level 6 shift Project" that proved to have no impact upon stopping the project. Knowing that the Tree Diagram was destroyed did not make things "worse" for Misaka, because even if Misaka personally destroyed the Tree Diagram, nothing in the plot would have changed. Now yes, it does create a question, and IF this show ended without explaining who destroyed the Tree Diagram some overly analytical bore such as myself would feel a little disappointment, but for the VAST majority of viewers this open question would be forgotten because overall, in context of the Railgun show, the Tree Diagram hasn't been that important. As such this can't be ANY form of de Machina. So we come to the conclusion. Railgun manga:Not a stand alone. Railgun anime:Stand alone as far as I remember. Railgun S(so far):Stand alone thanks to the script writer/director/Kamachi. |
ssjokgJul 4, 2013 10:45 PM
| Little Mikoto, so cute. We even get to see her mother Misuzu again, outside of Index II. Gotta love how MISAKA 10031 posed the clone question to the researchers. That caught them off guard for sure - their discomfort at answering the question was evident. That's it, the land-based terminal and data center for Tree Diagram. So that was her target... Mikoto expected it to be the most heavily guarded of her targets yet, and within she finally discovers the shocking reality that there was nothing useful for her to destroy. Unknowingly, a certain someone already did her job for her - but that leads her to an even more disturbing truth: the experiments still continue even long after its destruction. Accelerator is still badass in more ways than one at this point: He's 'bad' (as in big bad monster), he's an 'ass' and he's badass. I guess those other guys who were unlucky enough to meet this monster esper who just came out of the dark alleys were level 0s, or him fighting other espers other than the Sisters might have posed problems with the project. |
SayakaMagica said: The thing is that Accelerator HAS to fight.With level 0 and/or even level 1-4's he just needs to stand there and wait or just walk around.Little Mikoto, so cute. We even get to see her mother Misuzu again, outside of Index II. Gotta love how MISAKA 10031 posed the clone question to the researchers. That caught them off guard for sure - their discomfort at answering the question was evident. That's it, the land-based terminal and data center for Tree Diagram. So that was her target... Mikoto expected it to be the most heavily guarded of her targets yet, and within she finally discovers the shocking reality that there was nothing useful for her to destroy. Unknowingly, a certain someone already did her job for her - but that leads her to an even more disturbing truth: the experiments still continue even long after its destruction. Accelerator is still badass in more ways than one at this point: He's 'bad' (as in big bad monster), he's an 'ass' and he's badass. I guess those other guys who were unlucky enough to meet this monster esper who just came out of the dark alleys were level 0s, or him fighting other espers other than the Sisters might have posed problems with the project. What matters is that he has to fight and kill in different ways all 20000 Sisters.Throwing the original in between the fights is outside the allowable margin of error.Well not that |
| Naming a kitten "dog" is priceless. XD. Only Misaka's clone would ever think of something like that. This series really is turning out to be far more enjoyable than its prequel and the Index adaptations. I just love Misaka's monologues; they give so much depth to her character. |
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| 2nd saddest scene ever. When the first clone died. |
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JeffreyZin said: Light novel /manga spoiler What happened to Nunotaba from what we saw what happened on EP9 which she got kidnapped?! |
dniv said: ssjokg said: SayakaMagica said: The thing is that Accelerator HAS to fight.With level 0 and/or even level 1-4's he just needs to stand there and wait or just walk around.Little Mikoto, so cute. We even get to see her mother Misuzu again, outside of Index II. Gotta love how MISAKA 10031 posed the clone question to the researchers. That caught them off guard for sure - their discomfort at answering the question was evident. That's it, the land-based terminal and data center for Tree Diagram. So that was her target... Mikoto expected it to be the most heavily guarded of her targets yet, and within she finally discovers the shocking reality that there was nothing useful for her to destroy. Unknowingly, a certain someone already did her job for her - but that leads her to an even more disturbing truth: the experiments still continue even long after its destruction. Accelerator is still badass in more ways than one at this point: He's 'bad' (as in big bad monster), he's an 'ass' and he's badass. I guess those other guys who were unlucky enough to meet this monster esper who just came out of the dark alleys were level 0s, or him fighting other espers other than the Sisters might have posed problems with the project. What matters is that he has to fight and kill in different ways all 20000 Sisters.Throwing the original in between the fights is outside the allowable margin of error.Well not that Watch episode 13 and then reconsider Accelerator. It's just the next episode lol. @ssjokg What do all of this have to do with what I said?And I didnt say that Aleister wants him to fight the other LVL 5s.I said that he wouldnt care IF he did. Touma is the LVL 0 that makes EVERYONE,esper or magician, fight.He doent count in my statement above. As for Tallon, YES he was saying that they should change the events and preferably to make them events that focus on Misaka instead of using the events from Index. |
JeffreyZin said: Many chars disappear only to make comeback later not that unusual.ssjokg said: Light novel /manga spoiler ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! That's BULLSHIT! I mean I can't believe why is happened till it left uncleared!! I mean what the hell was that all about?!! God, I'll never forget about that happened. Kinuhata Saiai that crazy BITCH!!! does every anime had a same thing like this?! Talked about so many cliffhanger till it's left unresolved & plot holes everywhere!! Bad move, anime. Pretty bad move... *sigh* |
JeffreyZin said: ssjokg said: Light novel /manga spoiler ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! That's BULLSHIT! I mean I can't believe why is happened till I was like WHAT JUST HAPPENED!? I mean what the hell was that all about?!! God, I'll never forget about that happened. Kinuhata Saiai that crazy BITCH!!! Does every anime had a same thing like this?! Talked about so many cliffhanger till it's left unresolved & plot holes everywhere!! Bad move, anime. Pretty bad move... God, I hate myself. It's over for her... *sigh* Kinuhata saiai is good don't be mean to her, your forgetting shes part of ITEM and not listening to Mugnios order usually means death. |
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| Pretty good episode, 12 more episodes to go. Next episode looks good, moar "plot". |
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| Little Misaka is TOO CUTE. Starting to see more of Index merging in with this now. It's a cat so we name it Dog. LOL |
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| mehh.. like half of the episode is about a cat. |
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Takei_Hisa said: Little Misaka is TOO CUTE. Starting to see more of Index merging in with this now. It's a cat so we name it Dog. LOL I honest cannot see ghe appeal of loli Misaka |
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| Nooo poor cat is going to be lonely because of Accelerator. |
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| Haha all that effort to infiltrate the base was pointless, but hmm wasn't she responsible for the destruction of the satellite when she fired a random railgun to the sky or was that another satellite? And also those clones are just too cute especially in combination with a cat! |
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| Ok, we got another TMNI episode remake and it was awesome as well. I feel for the Misakas though ;__; But Accelerator's theme is just one of the best |
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| 5/5 Who knows TAMnI savor this episode as a déjà vu, despite what the usability is good. Narrative full of words, from space to the characters and know them better, enjoyable. Remember it because Touma is like Ichika, are two nullity! LOL Storyline that rewrites the episode of TAMnI in a much more profound! Superb! Design that leaves me very satisfied, another great performance by JC Staff! * _ * Maximum grade yet! : D |
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| yeah... that moment when misaka running on the wall XD really cool! XD wait.. tree diagram has been destroyed? HOW?! oh this is it.. accelerator and his action! I wonder how it will be.. wait why there is a cencored? |
| The whole entire clone 10031 and 10032 got cleared up for me so much this episode through the other POV. I knew all the clones shared one memory with the Misaka network but I wasn't sure if the Misaka clone that Touma interacted with was the same one that died. I thought the dead clone that Touma discovered in the alley was the same one he was interacting with beforehand but I guess not. It makes more sense now why Touma made saving that one specific clone so personal in Index. Edit: Ok so Touma interacted with both 10031 and 10032. Just found that out in ep. 13 |
ihusmal1234Apr 12, 2014 3:18 PM
| Touma is now a big friend of Misaka 2nd xD + that neko ahaha So that Mega mega computer doesn't exist...hmmm I can't believe another Misaka is going to die :/ |
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| Misaka Mikoto was Swinging Just Like Spiderman!...no much people comment that ha?...God...that part was great...and the Rest too...Consider many already Comment about it... |
| Front Hooks...Oh yeah... |
AivanK said: It was destroyed by Index...it's much brutal then it was in Index series(Misaka 10031 death)...Touma is now a big friend of Misaka 2nd xD + that neko ahaha So that Mega mega computer doesn't exist...hmmm I can't believe another Misaka is going to die :/ |
| Front Hooks...Oh yeah... |
| The clones are becoming more human-like. They. h-h-have emotions now. A modicum amount of emotions, but still they still have it. I'm scared how human the 20,000th one would be if there was one. YAY! The revelation that the tree diagram is destroyed. THANK YOU |
| Really? Exactly the same scenes as in Index .. |
Kyouraku-san said: Yeah you know.. it is the same arc.They cant exactly make different scenes.Really? Exactly the same scenes as in Index .. |
| Little Misaka is dangerously cute. And mommy Misaka saved Gekota, the day is saved! Houray! Mmmm, I don't remember much about that part. I do remember how the Tree Diagram was destroyed, but I don't remember it's implication. If the Tree Diagram is destroyed, then who is pursuing the project? Is it Accelerator alone with the cover of some other scientists? I really wanted the cat to be named ''Dog''. The scene was sightly different in Index. By sightly different, I mean that they were walking during the conversation x) So Touma was talking to #10032 or #10031 all that time? Kinda confused about that. |
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Takuan_Soho said: TallonKarrde23 said: Along with that, you people don't seem to understand what stand-alone means. It does NOT mean you understand 100% of every single element in something, it means the series is 100% understandable on any relevant level to someone who has no prior knowledge of the material. This would also explain why they are reshowing the Touma parts again, far from being a cost saving device, it is actually required to keep the shows on a "Stand Alone" basis. You explained that very well, kudos.  |
| I feel like re-watching Index I. 3.3/5 |
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| I knew it! All this time Touma is talking with Misaka 10032, since 10031 introduced herself in front of Accelerator. Also Misaka 10032 shows signs of falling in love... hnghhh And is that Tree Diagram satelite thing the one that Index destroyed with her overload? |
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| Misaka 10032 coming up with names for the cat was hilarious. |
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| More bloodshed is coming up.... it was #10032 all along hell yeah. XD |
| Little Misaka was too cute <3 P R O T E C C |
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| A lot of this episode already happened in Index 1 again. But Tree Diagram doesn't exist anymore? I don't remember that tbh :o |
| cat naming part lol |
| The Tree diagram being destroyed means that was the reason why there was no way to update emotions for the MISAKA network. Also, expect a rainy day sometime. MISAKA's naming conventions of "Dog", "Tokugawa Ieyasu"(1st shogun of Japan), "Schrodinger"(clever naming),"Deferred/furu" were epic. Accelerator's quotes are best. "There are dolls that do their job without so much as a sound" "The only thing you are good for is an after dinner workout". I am hyped for Accelerator. We see more of his powers and that footprint on the mob's T shirt was something. He has a protective aura I think. |
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| 10031 vs Accelerator in the next episode. So, Misaka discoverss that the Tree Diagram is destroyed but not who did that. 10032's cat just like in the 10th episode of Index is very cute. |
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| ok well I am liking the series more and more...to get to know more behind the scenes of the first season |
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