| do people ignore or hate this show because of anti-democracy plot it has or saying democracy is corrupt or fragile? even if that is true Yang Wen Li alone makes this show good whats the deal? or there is simply not enough waifus? lol |
degMar 30, 2022 4:10 PM
| a combination of a) people prefer the original OVAs b) those same people recommending watching the originals instead to new watchers c) its not promoted enough |
RenounceSetr said: Anyway, i don’t really see how the plot could fairly be characterized as anti-democracy first time knowing this anime then? its popular main theme is benevolent dictatorship vs corrupt democracy |
| space opera is just not popular enough in the community, also yea the fans of the original OVA series who keep telling people to watch the original instead |
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| I first came to know the LoGH franchise through this remake. Read the original before watching this new remake, watched first 12 eps of this remake, and watched the ova when I was waiting for the new episodes of this remake. A good way to recap and watch the story fresh if you really enjoy it. I'd say its unpopularity just means how it stands out from the current anime market norms. You don't really see a major anime trying to explore politics/ philosophy every year now. That's what makes LoGH classic. |
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RenounceSetr said: deg said: first time knowing this anime then? its popular main theme is benevolent dictatorship vs corrupt democracy I’ve watched the original 3 times through. The show explores democracy and autocracy in various complex ways, but to call it anti-democracy is to either be reductionist or to miss the point. If anything, I’d say the show is ultimately pro-democracy. ok understandable, this remake is my first exposure to this show and i happen to read stuff like that that made me curious and want to watch this |
| I'm planning to watch it since I thought the original was pretty good, the visual just kinda gross me out when comparing them to the original, human like character designs |
| I ask myself this question everyday. Simple answer? Not marketed enough. I found out about the series by accident. People know the OVA, but have never heard of this reboot. I heard some say that they avoided it because it's not complete yet, but I'm sure they'd avoid it even when it is because of the number of episodes. I have to agree, people should watch just for Yang, he got me hooked to the show. |
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samashi20 said: I have to agree, people should watch just for Yang, he got me hooked to the show. "there are 2 school of thought in history either nothing is greater than your life or there is something greater than your life" - Yang Wen Li (im paraphrasing him here) its a shame its not marketed enough |
deg said: samashi20 said: I have to agree, people should watch just for Yang, he got me hooked to the show. "there are 2 school of thought in history either nothing is greater than your life or there is something greater than your life" - Yang Wen Li (im paraphrasing him here) its a shame its not marketed enough This is what you're looking for: "I only studied a little history. I've learned that there are two currents of thought in human society. The opinion that there are things worth more than human life and the opinion that there is nothing preferable to life. When people begin to fight, it's on the pretext of the former type of people and it justifies the latter when they stop." Here's my personal favorite so far: "The Empire, with a few nobles ruling the masses, is bad government. The Alliance, with a government chosen by the people, is badly governed. Which one do you think is wrong?" Yang taking a jab at democracy itself is what actually makes this even more enjoyable in my opinion. We have seen how democracy has been forced on nations and what might've led to. Everything must be criticized. |
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samashi20 said: deg said: "there are 2 school of thought in history either nothing is greater than your life or there is something greater than your life" - Yang Wen Li (im paraphrasing him here) its a shame its not marketed enough This is what you're looking for: "I only studied a little history. I've learned that there are two currents of thought in human society. The opinion that there are things worth more than human life and the opinion that there is nothing preferable to life. When people begin to fight, it's on the pretext of the former type of people and it justifies the latter when they stop." Here's my personal favorite so far: "The Empire, with a few nobles ruling the masses, is bad government. The Alliance, with a government chosen by the people, is badly governed. Which one do you think is wrong?" Yang taking a jab at democracy itself is what actually makes this even more enjoyable in my opinion. We have seen how democracy has been forced on nations and what might've led to. Everything must be criticized. agreed #YangGang lol Andrew Yang is good too |
| It's pretty popular in Japan, but not so much around here mainly because a lot of fans of the OVA series try their hardest to make DNT look bad by talking about how it's "rushed" and "lacks the depth of the OVA" when in actuality it's very well-paced with little of the stuff that was cut/shortened actually being substantial, so it always seemed to me they're just salty that the character designs look different and never really had any intention of giving DNT a fair chance, so new watchers who don't know any better just believe what these guys say and avoid watching the remake. That, and this "movie" format thing might be contributing with its lack of popularity around here as well, I have no idea why they're releasing it like this. |
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-Ryu said: It's pretty popular in Japan, but not so much around here mainly because a lot of fans of the OVA series try their hardest to make DNT look bad by talking about how it's "rushed" and "lacks the depth of the OVA" when in actuality it's very well-paced with little of the stuff that was cut/shortened actually being substantial, so it always seemed to me they're just salty that the character designs look different and never really had any intention of giving DNT a fair chance, so new watchers who don't know any better just believe what these guys say and avoid watching the remake. That, and this "movie" format thing might be contributing with its lack of popularity around here as well, I have no idea why they're releasing it like this. at least its cool to know its popular in japan, thanks for that info |
| its not promoted enough + erratic schedule + OVA fanboys showing their elitism towards the modern version of their own show. |
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Nurguburu said: its not promoted enough + erratic schedule + OVA fanboys showing their elitism towards the modern version of their own show. Except it's not elitism when there is a lot of legitimate criticism when comparing the two. |
| While I like the new adaption, and even ignoring that the first season was pretty underwhelming with some very bad CGI, why would I recommend people to watch this over the original when they risk having to wait a decade to see the conclusion, when the same story already has a perfectly fine adaption you could watch instead? What killed the hype for this show wasnt "muh elitists" but a very bad and unpredictable release schedule, we literally had to wait years for this season with little news about it. Also space opera is straight up not popular, it has nothing the casual viewer of today likes. No ecchi fanservice, no cute girls, no bad comedy, no forced romance etc. |
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| This show is not anti-democracy it's critical of democracy and shows how a fascist regime can gradually become such (i.e. the authoritarianism of Trunict) dannymilk said: a combination of a) people prefer the original OVAs b) those same people recommending watching the originals instead to new watchers c) its not promoted enough Great reply, this is the answer i would've given |
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| Because it's basically third cour. No youtuber ever shilled it. It's also not popular battle manga adaptation. |
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| Just like everyone else , I want to add in at how terrible the marketing is for this . In fact it's not just terrible , it's downright non-existent . Even as a huge fan of the show , i only heard about this when I read this tweet from a very niche account that just happened to come on my timeline ( whom I don't even follow ). I don't think it ahs anything to do with content itself , such as anti-democracy or preferable autocracy or whatever . In fact , I would expect such things to actually attract viewers nowadays , considering how rarely such topics are handled with precision , well-versed knowledge , and eloquent writing in this medium . (Or any medium tbh). It's just the reactions and receptions of the nostalgic OVA fans that has really hindered it the most . Labelling it as a apoor adaptation without even giving it so much of a chance reverts newcomers away . And noone will watch the OVA because 1) old animation 2) too many eps 3) too much talking etc etc. |
deg said: Oh deg it has no relations to politics at all. The answer is fairly simple. All the hate stems from the fact that the show is an atrocious mockery of the original. It lacks both the soul that made the original into what is truly is.do people ignore or hate this show because of anti-democracy plot it has or saying democracy is corrupt or fragile? even if that is true Yang Wen Li alone makes this show good whats the deal? or there is simply not enough waifus? lol |
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| LOGH, both original and this version, is not a an anime that I recommend for anime beginners, mainly because its a dialogue-heavy anime. The difference between this "new" version and the "original" version is that this new version gives us an English dub (and a great english dub at that), so it can make those dialogue-heavy scenes more digestable. I could never care about the original LOGH since it was just subtitled and over 100 episodes, and sitting through all those dialogue heavy scenes while reading subtitles could be a drag. Bottom line, no, LOGH will never be as popular as it should be, since dialogue-heavy animes never become mainstream UNLESS theres like a lot of quirkiness going on as well as the same time with the dialogues. Another reason why this new version is not popular is because many fanboys of the original version just never gave this new version their vote of approval. Another HUGE reason why this new version of LOGH is not more popular is because it is being released as a combination of seasonal anime and movies, and many in today's anime world will not stick around for a dialogue-heavy anime for that long. The original LOGH could get away with being released as a 100 episodes OVA, since in the late 80's to late 90's, anime online wasnt anything magnetic nor anime was world-wide mainstream still. In my opinion, this new LOGH should have been released as 4 seasonal animes of 25-episodes each, within the span of four years. This would have created more interested and create investment in an audience. Me personally, I am really enjoying this new LOGH, mainly thanks since there is now an English dub |
oooo3333May 4, 2022 3:22 PM
| Unpopular with this being the third/fourth series of the remake? |
| There's simply no one generating hype. It's the third season/ 5th installment of a space opera remake. It is what it is 🤷🏻♂️ Adampk said: Isnt it because its release in those movie format with uneven release? I am pretty sure that's how yamato popularity died That's also a big factor. The seasonal crowd pays less attention to anything that isn't a weekly TV anime. |
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| It's just the type of anime that makes money selling DVD/BR and movie tickets, that's why it keeps getting new seasons Because Western audiences rarely does either of those then it's not meant for us. If it were on any streaming site it would be more popular. |
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Rojaseb said: It's just the type of anime that makes money selling DVD/BR and movie tickets, that's why it keeps getting new seasons Because Western audiences rarely does either of those then it's not meant for us. If it were on any streaming site it would be more popular. The New Thesis is on Crunchyroll all episodes have been released there. And there is even an english dub (a great dub at that), almost caught up with the anime. The original LOGH is on HiDive. |
oooo3333 said: Rojaseb said: It's just the type of anime that makes money selling DVD/BR and movie tickets, that's why it keeps getting new seasons Because Western audiences rarely does either of those then it's not meant for us. If it were on any streaming site it would be more popular. The New Thesis is on Crunchyroll all episodes have been released there. And there is even an english dub (a great dub at that), almost caught up with the anime. The original LOGH is on HiDive. I didn't know that. Then I'll have to agree with many others in the comments and say it's just too classy for the average weeb lmao. |
| Cuz people cant let go of old stuff sometimes, even if the new stuff is far superior |
| The reason is that the older series were more carefully made with more money and time, and the newer series can no longer use classical music due to rights issues. Also, the character designs have become like the character designs of Kuroko's Basketball, and some people don't like the new series because that is tasteless. |
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| The OVAs had better aesthetics, music, and directing. So the remake is viewed unfavorably by LoGH fans. So they're not telling other people to watch the remake. They tell people to watch the OVAs. There aren't many new fans watching because of the ugly aesthetics, and it doesn't have cute flavor of the month waifus. The remake also has an inconsistent release schedule, with a handful of episodes spread out over the course of several years, which makes it difficult to keep hype and awareness up. |
Dempsey_Roll said: Shidoteki said: far superior how?Cuz people cant let go of old stuff sometimes, even if the new stuff is far superior The only thing people can argue is the inconsistent schedule. (which is already scrapping the bottom of the barrel with bad stuff to say about it) Because this is obviously way superior in terms of animation and overall production quality. The other one is pretty dated in this (which makes sense since its very old in comparison) But the one thing that I believe is most overlooked when comparing these two is the most important feature of the show, the story. In the new one, the story follows the light novels even better while also being more consistent storywise. It removes the filler from the old one too, and all those story prequels are definitely unnecessary too, since the light novel already focused on the important aspects of the story, we do not need to watch every single thing that is mentioned, nor should we. As I said the only reason people prefer the old one is because they can't let go of it. I don't believe "old aesthetic" to be a very valid reason and I guess music is always debatable anyways. Story and Animation wise this new one is leagues above, and thats what should really matter. Hell even voice acting too. |
ShidotekiMay 19, 2022 10:55 PM
Dempsey_Roll said: Shidoteki said: that’s a great point regarding DNT following the novels better. I strongly disagree, however, about the animation. That’s like the biggest thing to me, DNT looks like Kuroko no Basket or some shit lol (which I gave straight 8’s and enjoyed.) I also think every episode of the OVA itself is worth watching, as the story they’re telling is massive in scale. I think the “letting go” concept is a tricky one, obviously you have FMAB, Fruits basket, Hellsing Ultimate, Dororo where you could never go back & watch the first adaptation; HxH to a much lesser extent, going from a 9 to a 10. On the other hand, you have imo the biggest example the Kino no Tabi disaster, and again, to a much lesser extent, Ginga Eiyuu going from a 10 to an 8. All that said, I respect your opinion, and am going to rewatch DNT dub w/ my mom & a new set of unbiased eyes so as to respect your thoughtful response & the source material itselfThe only thing people can argue is the inconsistent schedule. (which is already scrapping the bottom of the barrel with bad stuff to say about it) Because this is obviously way superior in terms of animation and overall production quality. The other one is pretty dated in this (which makes sense since its very old in comparison) But the one thing that I believe is most overlooked when comparing these two is the most important feature of the show, the story. In the new one, the story follows the light novels even better while also being more consistent storywise. It removes the filler from the old one too, and all those story prequels are definitely unnecessary too, since the light novel already focused on the important aspects of the story, we do not need to watch every single thing that is mentioned, nor should we. As I said the only reason people prefer the old one is because they can't let go of it. I don't believe "old aesthetic" to be a very valid reason and I guess music is always debatable anyways. Story and Animation wise this new one is leagues above, and thats what should really matter. Hell even voice acting too. Thank you for the reply, I do understand what you are saying but Id like to point out two things you said that I don't agree with at all. The first is that the animation is like Kuroko no basket. If it were in fact like it that would just elevate it higher. Youre more referring to the character design rather than the animation. Which the old one is also similar to a lot of different anime as well since anime that old usually had the same artstyle copied over (same goes for this new one) Also, you refer to Hunter x Hunter but that is also a perfect example of people not being able able to let go either. Because people have the audacity of saying yorknew city is better merely because of "the 90s vibe". Which is also the same exact reason as to why people prefer this older one too. (people cannot move on when the nostalgia is that high) Also, if you do watch it dub I wont be able to say anything about it. Since the sub is amazing and thats what I was referring to when talking about the voice acting. The sound quality will definitely be better though, as the old one sounded bad in terms of that too. |
Dempsey_Roll said: Shidoteki said: everything you say is correct here; I was going for character design (KnB does the games extremely well too,) the poor sound quality is my biggest issue, I did watch it subbed already and I agree regarding the VA, I usually never watch dub but when I visit my parents house they will watch and enjoy almost any anime as long as it’s in dub lol. I recently showed them HxH and you’re spot on about that too, I showed them hunter exam ‘99 and switched to ‘11 for Yorknew. Anyone who questions Madhouse @ that point is wearing the worst of nostalgia glasses lol. Honestly, the only real problem I have with DNT is that Kircheis’ death didn’t hit nearly the same as it did in OVA. I’m sure you agreeThank you for the reply, I do understand what you are saying but Id like to point out two things you said that I don't agree with at all. The first is that the animation is like Kuroko no basket. If it were in fact like it that would just elevate it higher. Youre more referring to the character design rather than the animation. Which the old one is also similar to a lot of different anime as well since anime that old usually had the same artstyle copied over (same goes for this new one) Also, you refer to Hunter x Hunter but that is also a perfect example of people not being able able to let go either. Because people have the audacity of saying yorknew city is better merely because of "the 90s vibe". Which is also the same exact reason as to why people prefer this older one too. (people cannot move on when the nostalgia is that high) Also, if you do watch it dub I wont be able to say anything about it. Since the sub is amazing and thats what I was referring to when talking about the voice acting. The sound quality will definitely be better though, as the old one sounded bad in terms of that too. Thank you for understanding the superiority of the new Hunter x Hunter and being into Hajime no Ippo hahaha I love both of them. It hit me pretty hard in the new one, I've been watching it more than the old one since I don't want to get spoiled. I'm sure if people watched the old one afterwards they'd think the new one was more impactful haha I just don't think the old anime can do much stuff better, I can't get impacted nearly as much when characters have muffled voices and they move like robots |
| The original has been hailed as so classic that people always point to watch that first. But since the original was so long, people delay starting, and get to neither. As I watched the original a few years back, I forget what happened in the show and remember those epic moments like Yang's trial. Revisiting the remake and seeing it again adds another layer of how great it was in both original and remake. Double enjoyment! |
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| It's more nuanced than just simple "anti democracy". It's more of a critique in a non-offensive objective manner. It's what LoGH does best while presenting the downside to a one-power government too. Whether people hold this single nuanced saturated in many aspects that the series explored is a test. |
| Isn't the original like one of the highest rated shows here? What you talking about? |
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| It's hard to keep up with the story. I have been lost about what is happening too many times. Still enjoying it though |
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