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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The look in Ringo's eyes and the tone of her voice as well as her words at the very end of the episode made me suddenly very suspicious. Maybe she is neither as innocent nor as helpless as she has seemed. After all, she is supposed to be the Next Generation. |
| Decent episode, but didn't Dune already died... |
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| This episode was a masterpiece and probably the best of the series so far. Casshern Sins has seriously taken shape and gained momentum with the end of the filler episodes and the frequent apparitions of Dune/Braiking/Leda/Dio/Luna/Ringo/Lyuze etc... It's so perfect that I'm already wondering about raising its rating. |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| Well, I disagree. It feels like the show is back to boring. I will say that storywise the show is absolutely tightening up, with a very clear theme/focus on protection. However, I don't know how to put this...it's still so unengaging for me because of the execution, and the lack of variety in tone. Every episode has the exact tone of the previous one, with the exception of the one about Friender. I understand that they are trying to use Ringo to break the macabre sensibilities, but it is all just so predictable in how they try to pace the show. I almost just want a whole episode devoted to Ringo, because at least that would be something different. The landscape didn't seem nearly as polished as in episodes past. The scene of Luna at the end of the world looked like it was done with just a blue pastel...very washed out. How did Lyuze know that was Dune? He looks unrecognizable from when they knew each other. The only thing that looked the same was his tattered coat. |
| hmm maybe now i am beginning to understand casshern's purpose. it be a stretch but those who seek destruction and mayhem seems to ruin faster than those who don't. certainly those who pick a fight with casshern ultimately get destroyed. the ones he protects live longer, and since luna is alive, maybe there might be some hidden meaning somewhere. as far as ringo goes, her real purpose hasn't been explained if there is one. it seems to me that everyone that have had a profound influence that hasn't been destroyed on casshern seems to be living fairly ruin free life. at least a fairly stable one. |
| Ringo's mask only proves that she's a human, or at the very least, part human like Casshern. The mask was to help her breath, presumably because of something in the air that harms humans. I think the metal thing across her head isn't just to throw trick people into think shes a machine. It might actually be a seal of some kind. I'm guessing once it brakes due to ruin, whatevers sealed in her will awaken. PS. Wasn't Oji gonna die in the last ep? How is he up and about like nothing happened? |
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| It's been 15 episodes and Ringo still hasn't died! Her time will come... These action sequences are oh so good, I'm lovin' every minute of it. Plus, the animation this episode was gorgeous. Great episode all-around. |
DunkyJan 18, 2009 7:49 PM
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| Wow. What a great episode. It was so sad that Dune has to die though..but we all saw it coming. Was I the only one who noticed that Casshern bled human blood? I know he's part human. But I have never seen him bleed before. |
noteDhero said: Well, I disagree. It feels like the show is back to boring. I will say that storywise the show is absolutely tightening up, with a very clear theme/focus on protection. However, I don't know how to put this...it's still so unengaging for me because of the execution, and the lack of variety in tone. And again I have to agree with "noteDhero". For me the animation, landscapes and mood is just perfekt and astonishing. But the story seems to develop very very slowly. The whole plot of this episode could have been told in less than half the time imo! noteDhero said: How did Lyuze know that was Dune? He looks unrecognizable from when they knew each other. The only thing that looked the same was his tattered coat. Lyuze acts very confusing to me as well. At first she wanted to follow Casshern in order to kill him and revenge her sister as soon as Casshern understands and remembers what he did to the world. Comprehensible! After she was "rescued" by him and heard the rumour about Luna being alive, she nearly seems to be in love with him. o.O potatomac911 said: It was so sad that Dune has to die though..but we all saw it coming. Dune didnt die so far. So I guess we will see him again.... and maybe Luna can somehow "repair" him. ;) |
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| I also noticed some tone change in Ringo's voice.. Seems like Ringo we'll get to know her better more and more (besides the fact that she's also similar to Casshern, being a robot but also able to bleed). Anyway, although this episode is a little slow-paced, I still do love it, partly due to the beautiful landscape (especially like the one Ringo & Ohji was in) and the battle of 2 characters whom no longer have a reason to fight each other. In the end, Dune didn't die.. But from the previous episode which he appeared along with Dio & Leda, his condition had deteriorated and perhaps he might not survive before he could reach the "Luna" Lyuze mentioned. |
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| Very Good! Is the real Luna or not? |
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| I am very confused about Luna...is this THE Luna or just fake one? Also, I really find Dune to be one of the best characters so far. I would be really saddened to see him die. He is still alive after this one, obviously. What I am wondering is...What will happen when Casshern meets Luna? Why did ruin start, why is she not doing anything, what will she say to him, and vice versa.... |
| I find the 'real' Luna to be kinda cold, and all of this seems a bit too planned. A slow episode but eh. |
 "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees." By Emiliano Zapata |
| I rather liked this episode despite coming back from my break from it. I was sorta confused noticing why Ringo was wearing a helmet. I suppose it was supposed to prevent the ruin from spreading. Actually I found it stranger looking back at episode 14 that Ringo was a robot. I was genuinely surprised to notice that. Hell, I was even more surprised to remember that Luna is supposedly alive. Onto the focus of the episode; Dune finds himself in this robot graveyard trying to find the answer for his question: What was it that his hands wanted to grasp? When I was watching this I was going between Luna or his own life as he clearly wanted to live. What I was really glad to see from this episode was that we get a flashback linking Casshern and Dune's past. |
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DeadBonesBrook said: I rather liked this episode despite coming back from my break from it. I was sorta confused noticing why Ringo was wearing a helmet. I suppose it was supposed to prevent the ruin from spreading. Actually I found it stranger looking back at episode 14 that Ringo was a robot. I was genuinely surprised to notice that. Hell, I was even more surprised to remember that Luna is supposedly alive. Onto the focus of the episode; Dune finds himself in this robot graveyard trying to find the answer for his question: What was it that his hands wanted to grasp? When I was watching this I was going between Luna or his own life as he clearly wanted to live. What I was really glad to see from this episode was that we get a flashback linking Casshern and Dune's past. I think that wasn't just a robot graveyard but the place were all those blue flowers were. At least that's the impression i got from all the blue crystals left there. noteDhero is being completely anal. It's like he gets upset with all the shows because they are not exactly what he would make them. Don't you understand that this slow rhythm, the tone and a lot others are the sows style. If you thing they are wrong then it's not objections about the show it's the whole show in general that you don't like. Am getting the impression lately that Ringo might be a robot child. A child born by robots. The thing that, that scientist was trying to create. Still many questions about Luna and everything else. The story in this Cassern is completely different than the old show since Luna was just a human woman in that. Here she seems like a robot but has blood and also some amazing abilities of some sort. Really big mystery on what exactly she is. Braking boss intentions are also a mystery. |
| dune shows up, god does he looks terrible |
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| Very revealing episode, story-wise. I thoroughly enjoyed it. |
kage-bunshin said: dune shows up, god does he looks terrible QFT!!! He is absolutely unrecognizable!!! WTF happened to him??? |
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| If it weren't for how marvelous the fights were, I might agree with the above sentiment. The fights are really pretty damn cool, the way they're animated enthralls me, but they do seem to slow down the plot. kisami said: hmm maybe now i am beginning to understand casshern's purpose. it be a stretch but those who seek destruction and mayhem seems to ruin faster than those who don't. While this is true, the real purpose seems to be this great paradox of trying to atone for sins that you don't remember committing. I just imagine this show as if Hitler suffered amnesia and came back into a ruined Germany. Everyone would be all like "kill Hitler" and he would find that his previous self had done all of these terrible things, but he couldn't remember doing them. Despite this, he tries to repent the sins that he doesn't even know of. It really would be an interesting concept in an alternate history, but in this show it is pretty much just as good. This show brings up great questions about the past, I'd even say the premise of this show challenges the whole concept of repentance. I haven't been bored yet, and I've found the formulaic manner to really drive home the themes of the show. noteDhero said: How did Lyuze know that was Dune? He looks unrecognizable from when they knew each other. The only thing that looked the same was his tattered coat. I would imagine that one would recognize an old acquaintance. I look totally different from my high-school years, but people from high-school still recognize me when I run into them. Sure, we, the viewer, aren't in on much of these subtleties, we don't say "aha, those eyebrows!", but I think it's fair to assume that a character can see them. |
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| It went from good to slow again... |
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| Dune was kinda hot before he ruined |
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| I quite like the slow episodes. I geniunely felt bad for Dune and am glad we got a bit of backstory on him and we even got a nice yet brief battle between him and Casshern. 4/5 |
| A slow start but the ending sure was impressive! |
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| I wonder what the link between Luna and Ringo really is. This episode was good, but really, sometimes it gets a bit repetitive. Next episode looks more action oriented. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Someone just kill Ringo already.. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
DeathfireD said: Ringo's mask only proves that she's a human, or at the very least, part human like Casshern. The mask was to help her breath, presumably because of something in the air that harms humans. I think the metal thing across her head isn't just to throw trick people into think shes a machine. It might actually be a seal of some kind. I'm guessing once it brakes due to ruin, whatevers sealed in her will awaken. She has rust on her left cheek. It was shown in the previous ep when she was in the car. I swear, Casshern gets cooler with every ep. I love this slowness. This is exactly what I had in mind. |
| Great episode and fairly intense fight. Want to learn more about Luna. |
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 If there's one thing that always bothers me about Casshern Sins, it's the dialogue. It always feels so stiff and lifeless. Granted, that's the nature of the show and the characters are robots, but characters always seem to speak in this monotone manner with hefty amounts of flowery words. This certainly spices up the anime and makes it feel like a poetic experience, but at times I'm tempted to rewind episodes and really, really listen to the dialogue to see how much of it is repeating thoughts and sentiments from prior episodes. That aside, as an experience, it never fails to impress. I still do like the bold, sketchy lines, the glowing color palette against blues and blacks, and scenes like that that are dripping with atmosphere. Though, from what I could tell, the purpose of this episode was to show that Lyuze isn't necessary out to kill Casshern anymore, reintroduce Dune, and let him know that Luna isn't dead apparently. On paper, that shouldn't have taken a whole episode to accomplish, but I still enjoyed how the episode went out of its way to show Dune's undying loyalty to Luna, though it might have stretched itself thin at times. Makes me wonder if the rest of the anime will be gathering up old characters and loose plot threads for some final climatic episode. By the way, respiratory problems? So...is Ringo a cyborg or...? |
| Decent episode, not much to say |
| Interesting how they decided to dig out a previous character, will they continue forward on this second episodic half til the 2-3eps finale? 4/5 The show is still nicely slow/frozen, with only one tiny thing accomplished each episode, busy portraying each character brooding. I like that but I don't see it going anywhere in the end, even if the mid-episode of this second half also turns out to be a revelation/game changer episode. Well, still a pleasant discovery for ten euros. |
Rei_IIIJan 12, 2022 12:07 PM
| So it ended up he just wanted to find and kill Casshern, that was his reason to continue struggling to stay alive? Lol |
| A turn for the better! A bit awkward to reintroduce a character who seemingly had no merit 4-5 episodes ago, but at least we're getting more info about Casshern's past. Even Luna showed up out of the blue; what's up with that? Her return is interesting, but it makes the first half even more tedious in retrospect. If Luna was alive all along, what was all this depressing attitude about? Was it a metaphor about how being depressed won't solve anything? Maybe I'm thinking too much about it. Looking forward to seeing where they go from here. |
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| Dune better not give up. He'll get to see Luna one more time as long as he carries on. Also, the oxygen mask Oji was making Ringo wear is confirming my suspicions that she's not quite human or robot, just like Casshern. Lyuze travelling with Casshern and Friender is an interesting development, I certainly don't have a problem with her having a bigger part in the story from here on out. |
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