Tasokare Hotel Episode 4 Discussion

Our lovable scamp Masaki already stirring up trouble wherever he goes. You have to hand it to him though - he's a very smooth operator and cool customer.

I knew almost immediately that he was going to worm his way into a conversation and attempted misleading scam act once Kiyoe stormed off from the table in the hotel dining room area with her friend and left her alone, and from that point on was just counting down for the chaos to ensue and all hell to break loose (although wasn't thinking about "Hell" literally at that point, as in the proper noun and actual place).

I wonder if he just wanted to get one guest or anyone at the hotel really to kill another so that he could kill by proxy for its own sake (for the thrill, basically) or if it was to test out the manager's words about hell to see if they were just bluster and an idle threat, which would have implications for his own situation and how much free rein he has in practice to go back to his usual operations while at the hotel. Maybe both.

I still don't know how the other girl, her friend, could possibly be held responsible for Kiyoe's death though. She was attempting suicide and looks to have successfully achieved it. Is it just by being in close proximity to her at the time, implying the guardians of Hell, the cosmos, whatever, could read her intentions and that she actually wanted it to happen, or that physically the tussle over the sword which was in both of their hands led to an accident and slip where she was partially also holding the sword at the moment of impact when it plunged through her neck and throat? You would think if there is some unseen force assessing motives and intent, that they'd first place the blame on Masaki.

Either way, it's interesting and a welcome thing having his character kept around in the mix (for the audience, probably not for Tsukahara) as he's like a wild card to add unpredictability and tension. You can tell that he's both intelligent enough as well as charming and personable when interacting with others, especially his marks of choice (attractive young women, it seems), that it's not surprising if he continues to get much mileage out of his impersonation of a detective persona.

But the real major question I have regarding events toward the very end of the episode, is what exactly happens to Kiyoe now? She "died" in the hotel, but she's alive back on Earth, right? Presumably she's just unconscious, either after fainting, being knocked out with a concussion, comatose, etc. It isn't her physical body back in the world (our world) which actually died, but her soul/spirit or mental projection of her consciousness in this place. So will she just eventually wake up in her real physical body back at home or in a hospital, without the hotel any longer playing a role in her salvation and helping her fight through, like a dream that just ended?

Or will she just respawn somewhere else in this realm near the hotel? In the latter case, we'd probably see her again in a later episode to show and confirm that. I can't imagine she just dies dies for real and for good, or that seems extremely harsh. From the standpoint of everyone with her body back on Earth, they would be none the wiser of this whole experience and it would just look like she died from her injuries and medical causes. But if it's true that the memories of this place will indeed be forgotten if you're alive and when you wake up, then dying here and having that carry over to real mortal consequences for your actual body would be like dying in and from a dream.

Whole thing makes no sense and is more like a chain of plot conveniences.

Last episode, manager says people can't stay indefinitely at the hotel after recovering their memories. Yet Masaki gets to stay at the hotel just because he says so. So does Ruri.

If the idea that Ariake's actions causes the death is enough to constitute murder and being sent to hell, then why doesn't Masaki's goading also constitute murder?

Bunch of bs if you ask me.

Someone has got to remove that murderer from the hotel, he is just going to keep killing people exactly like this.

The girl went to hell, when it should actually be him.

I'm docking the anime a whole point for this plunder in writing.

I true justice system would know that he was the liar that caused this and deserves the responsibility.

@ejleon I think the point is that the hotel doesn't run on a moral or just system. Just like how it accepts anyone as its guests, good or evil.

@sodrainz
1. In last episode, the manager never forbade visitors from staying at the hotel for long; he simply emphasized the risks. The decision to stay or leave is entirely up to the visitors. The hotel just respects their choices—ever heard the phrase 'the customer is king'?

2.It's simple: Masaki hasn’t killed anyone with his own hands.

You really need to pay attention and understand every line the characters say. If you can't even manage that, you might as well give up now. This anime is packed with crucial dialogue and narrative, so if you can't keep up, maybe this isn’t for you

@tsukaharaneko I know, your are very right, I was just venting my frustration that he is able to get away with such BS.

Thanks for bringing me back to reality.

Although, it is also the fault of that girl listening to him, she knew it was an accident, but she was selfish enough to be willing to kill her friend.

Well, it adds a big thorn in their sides, so I'll patiently watch.

@Zeerz

1. In the last episode, the manager said that people were not allowed to stay indefinitely.



2. Neither did Ariake. Kiyoe necked herself.

You criticize not being able to understand what the characters say while spouting some bullshit about what they said or what happened. Aggressively dumb.

@sodrainz

1. I'm assuming it has to be longer or so for people to disappear and it's only been a few days with Osoto

2. Probably because Kiyoe made Nagumo hold the weapon as she gave in to Osoto's lie so Nagumo could go back to the real world. Unfortunately it's not real and Nagumo was deemed as the killer instead. I don't think the Hell gaf about intentions just like how the hotel dgaf about good or evil guests

@hanatohoshi

1. My problem with it is that this seems completely arbitrary. Like it's a rule that doesn't actually matter at all until the plot needs it to matter. Like the "save the world" quests in open world RPGs where there's supposedly some massive apocalyptic threat that you're supposed to stop but jk spend 9 years exploring random dungeons instead.

2. It's an unsatisfactory explanation though. Like in no circumstance would touching a weapon equate to killing someone. Like if I decided to stab Ruri in the face and then you tried to save her and touched the knife but she died, that would mean i'm safe and you get sent to hell. That's crazy.

@Zeerz

1. In the last episode, the manager said that people were not allowed to stay indefinitely.



2. Neither did Ariake. Kiyoe necked herself.

You criticize not being able to understand what the characters say while spouting some bullshit about what they said or what happened. Aggressively dumb.

@sodrainz @hanatohoshi





You’re missing the secret sinister part here: why and how did Kiyoe fall from the balustrade while sitting on the floor, with the sword facing the corridor? I'm not adding the image for that exact scene but even with momentum, she would have ended up lying on her back.

I think Ariake seized the opportunity and pushed her down to make it look like a suicide attempt. Then, realizing that she was still "dead" even though Kiyoe had died, she just ran away, realizing that Oosoto probably lied to her.

@LunaWagner If that was the case, then it is bad writing because the show intentionally left this part vague for no reason. And that's inconsistent with how the show has otherwise been given that previously, it beat you over the head with a bat of obviousness for every other thing. Like the gambler literally got buried alive in his room to show he was buried alive. And this same episode literally showed shelves of gym equipment fall to show gym equipment fell.

@hanatohoshi

1. My problem with it is that this seems completely arbitrary. Like it's a rule that doesn't actually matter at all until the plot needs it to matter. Like the "save the world" quests in open world RPGs where there's supposedly some massive apocalyptic threat that you're supposed to stop but jk spend 9 years exploring random dungeons instead.

2. It's an unsatisfactory explanation though. Like in no circumstance would touching a weapon equate to killing someone. Like if I decided to stab Ruri in the face and then you tried to save her and touched the knife but she died, that would mean i'm safe and you get sent to hell. That's crazy.

@sodrainz tbf in the game the time limit is