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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The new OP and ED are great. This episode shows that Godai still has a long way to go in is relationship with Kyoko as he was all but ignored at the end. The end, by the way, was pretty funny with Kyoko showing her rebellious nature to her parents. Boo.. the OP and ED are for this episode only. |
Ston3_FreeN7Oct 29, 2009 3:38 AM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Dick move, Kozue. Dick. Move. Everyone wants Kyoko to move on but she won't reason. Her parents, as abrasive as they are, act as any sane parent would. They want her free of Sochiro's shadow. In prior episodes we learn that her father never wanted her to marry Sorchiro. In doing so Kyoko broke two societal taboos: one in marrying her teacher and another in marrying an older man. Call me close-minded, but what kind of parents wouldn't resist? Yeah, Gilbert O'Sullivan is cool: |
hellogoodbye said: Dick move, Kozue. Dick. Move. Everyone wants Kyoko to move on but she won't reason. Her parents, as abrasive as they are, act as any sane parent would. They want her free of Sochiro's shadow. In prior episodes we learn that her father never wanted her to marry Sorchiro. In doing so Kyoko broke two societal taboos: one in marrying her teacher and another in marrying an older man. Call me close-minded, but what kind of parents wouldn't resist? First of all I think 2 yrs is quite short to expect someone to move on after an intense romance which ended up into a wedding! I personally think Kyoko's behavour is perfectly justified, and the parents demands were quite callous, uncalled-for and downright disrespectful given they choose Soichiro's death anniversary to bring this up. This was very insensitive on their part. Concerning the teacher and the age issues, I feel we have to stress out that we need to put this in its proper historical and geographical context here. We are talking of the 1980s here and even more so, we are talking of Japan! Before the mid-90s Japan still had one of the world most liberal and what many sociologists perceive as a 'positive outlook' on sexuality as opposed to the Western repressive and invasive and hypocritical models which continue to exist even to this day - especially in the Anglo-american world which, believe it or not, is quite conservative when it comes to sex. Another cultural difference that we have to bear in mind is that teachers are seen as mere functionaries in Anglo-american societies whereas in India, China and especially Japan, teachers enjoy high regards by society, are revered and perceived in somewhat similar light to doctors and lawyers! In the US even a university professor courting a student is a crime; a nurse accepting her patient's romantic advances risk losing her job and badge registration etc. This is seen as normal and taken-for-granted norms for us but we have to bear in mind this is not the case elsewhere. I have personally seen brazilian telenovela for instance, where the girl openly go out with her university tutor very much in the same way 2 colleagues meet outside of the work environment and date each other without any problem! When it comes to age, I think ageism is becoming a real problem in many western societies. Whereas racism, gender, disability and physical inequalities and discrimination is looked down upon by society, the steotypes associated with 'age' is getting more and more entrenged and colour our whole perception of the social world. 'Age' seems to tell us everything about a person from what they are, who they are supposed to be , how they are supposed to be and who they are expected to be with, what they can and can't do etc. the list goes on and on. Purely based on stereotypes and not on facts of course! I've even heard people frowning for a 19 yrs old boy and a 16 yrs old girl who are in a couple relationship! This is true especially in America. Coming back to our characters here, I don't think Kyoko's and soichiro's age difference would have been such a big issue there. Girls develop physically much faster than boys and until the recently imposed excessive Western Cultural taboo surrounding adolescent sexuality, adolescent girls generally, given the right opportunities, throughout the ages have always been attracted to men in their 20s who were seen as much more independent and gown-up and mature. If you have watched Sailor Moon which came out in the 90s in Japan, we see the same thing, viz. a plain and boring 14 yr/o girl who has a dull school boy running after her but whose life suddenly change when she met this magical, talking cat who transformed her into a Super-heroine who saves the world every night, who suddenly has cool friends and this 'cool' masked and sophisticated university boyfriend who was portrayed as the ultimate bf material to-die-for (as opposed to the idiots at her high school)! And I personally think this does reflect reality, that is, without the constraints imposed by Western societies. I think, considering the context and everything, her parents might just be controlling people, the kind of people who simply refuse to see that their children have grown up. |
meneopeJun 20, 2011 4:17 PM
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meneope said: hellogoodbye said: Dick move, Kozue. Dick. Move. Everyone wants Kyoko to move on but she won't reason. Her parents, as abrasive as they are, act as any sane parent would. They want her free of Sochiro's shadow. In prior episodes we learn that her father never wanted her to marry Sorchiro. In doing so Kyoko broke two societal taboos: one in marrying her teacher and another in marrying an older man. Call me close-minded, but what kind of parents wouldn't resist? First of all I think 2 yrs is quite short to expect someone to move on after an intense romance which ended up into a wedding! I personally think Kyoko's behavour is perfectly justified, and the parents demands were quite callous, uncalled-for and downright disrespectful given they choose Soichiro's death anniversary to bring this up. This was very insensitive on their part. Concerning the teacher and the age issues, I feel we have to stress out that we need to put this in its proper historical and geographical context here. We are talking of the 1980s here and even more so, we are talking of Japan! Before the mid-90s Japan still had one of the world most liberal and what many sociologists perceive as a 'positive outlook' on sexuality as opposed to the Western repressive and invasive and hypocritical models which continue to exist even to this day - especially in the Anglo-american world which, believe it or not, is quite conservative when it comes to sex. Another cultural difference that we have to bear in mind is that teachers are seen as mere functionaries in Anglo-american societies whereas in India, China and especially Japan, teachers enjoy high regards by society, are revered and perceived in somewhat similar light to doctors and lawyers! In the US even a university professor courting a student is a crime; a nurse accepting her patient's romantic advances risk losing her job and badge registration etc. This is seen as normal and taken-for-granted norms for us but we have to bear in mind this is not the case elsewhere. I have personally seen brazilian telenovela for instance, where the girl openly go out with her university tutor very much in the same way 2 colleagues meet outside of the work environment and date each other without any problem! When it comes to age, I think ageism is becoming a real problem in many western societies. Whereas racism, gender, disability and physical inequalities and discrimination is looked down upon by society, the steotypes associated with 'age' is getting more and more entrenged and colour our whole perception of the social world. 'Age' seems to tell us everything about a person from what they are, who they are supposed to be , how they are supposed to be and who they are expected to be with, what they can and can't do etc. the list goes on and on. Purely based on stereotypes and not on facts of course! I've even heard people frowning for a 19 yrs old boy and a 16 yrs old girl who are in a couple relationship! This is true especially in America. Coming back to our characters here, I don't think Kyoko's and soichiro's age difference would have been such a big issue there. Girls develop physically much faster than boys and until the recently imposed excessive Western Cultural taboo surrounding adolescent sexuality, adolescent girls generally, given the right opportunities, throughout the ages have always been attracted to men in their 20s who were seen as much more independent and gown-up and mature. If you have watched Sailor Moon which came out in the 90s in Japan, we see the same thing, viz. a plain and boring 14 yr/o girl who has a dull school boy running after her but whose life suddenly change when she met this magical, talking cat who transformed her into a Super-heroine who saves the world every night, who suddenly has cool friends and this 'cool' masked and sophisticated university boyfriend who was portrayed as the ultimate bf material to-die-for (as opposed to the idiots at her high school)! And I personally think this does reflect reality, that is, without the constraints imposed by Western societies. I think, considering the context and everything, her parents might just be controlling people, the kind of people who simply refuse to see that their children have grown up. Wow, I have to say I really enjoyed reading this post, and couldn't agree more! The points you raise are excellent, teachers are treated in very very high regards in Asian cultures. Having taken several years of Japanese language myself, it became thoroughly clear how important social status is in Japan. Even something as simple as the birth order of twins is very very important in Japan, which is often completely disregarded in America. Also, as far as the age taboo, you couldn't be more correct, everything is age based in the US, however in Japan, especially during the 80s, there is far more leniency. For example, take a look at what happened in the series Marmalade Boy, and that series took place in the mid-90s! I'm not gonna specify and give away the story, but that in itself serves as a prime example! |
| El Psy Congroo まだまだだね!!! |
| "URUSAI! Urusai-urusai-urusai! URUSAIIIII!!!" Kyoko's 'urusai' is the best thing I've heard in a long time. |
| Hey, why does the DVD version not have the "Alone Again" song as the OP? |
Nissandwich said: It's so much better to hear a character who actually has a reason to be mad and annoyed say it, instead of a spoiled little tsundere bitch."URUSAI! Urusai-urusai-urusai! URUSAIIIII!!!" Kyoko's 'urusai' is the best thing I've heard in a long time. |
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| I am fully on team Kozue here even though i would doubt that it will turn out that way in the end, she actually likes Godai and she doesn't have any emotional baggage like Kyoko. Also she has a good family and is a qt but that is secondary. |
| I'm happy that Godai held back from kissing Kozue^^ |
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Brego1 said: Hey, why does the DVD version not have the "Alone Again" song as the OP? Licensing. |
| added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
| ^Yeah, Godai's daydreams are getting out of hand. That was a little too elaborate. And pissed off Kyoko is always hilarious. |
| omg I was tricked into thinking they kissed. That would have complicated things a lot. I think Godai needs to set things clear with her and not string her along. The ending was king of a disappointment. Also was that a new OP? |
RediceRyanAug 8, 2016 1:19 AM
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| Dear all, Does anyone know the song played in the cafe at the beginning of the episode? It's really killing me to find it! |
MadHi said: Dear all, Does anyone know the song played in the cafe at the beginning of the episode? It's really killing me to find it! Unless you've already found it, it's Something in the Air. |
Vhailor said: MadHi said: Dear all, Does anyone know the song played in the cafe at the beginning of the episode? It's really killing me to find it! Unless you've already found it, it's Something in the Air. I found it but it was very difficult since a lot of songs have that title and Shazam was only helpful in getting the name but led me to a video playing something else entirely different. Typing the lyrics from the beginning of the song even with "" wasn't getting me anywhere until I typed different parts of it. Anyway, I found out it's in the OST album for Yawara, which is weird since it came out a few years later after episode 24 of MI aired. It's in the link below. And I've never seen Yawara, so if it had come up in my earlier attempts, the're no way I'd have known that was it. Now it makes me wonder what other songs have been recycled between different anime shows. I wonder if that song in the cafe in Ranma 1/2 where Kuno bought pictures of Girl Ranma from Nabiki for the first time is real. Now I want to find that. http://anime.thehylia.com/soundtracks/album/yawara-songs-/07-something-in-the-air.mp3 |
meneope said: hellogoodbye said: Dick move, Kozue. Dick. Move. Everyone wants Kyoko to move on but she won't reason. Her parents, as abrasive as they are, act as any sane parent would. They want her free of Sochiro's shadow. In prior episodes we learn that her father never wanted her to marry Sorchiro. In doing so Kyoko broke two societal taboos: one in marrying her teacher and another in marrying an older man. Call me close-minded, but what kind of parents wouldn't resist? First of all I think 2 yrs is quite short to expect someone to move on after an intense romance which ended up into a wedding! I personally think Kyoko's behavour is perfectly justified, and the parents demands were quite callous, uncalled-for and downright disrespectful given they choose Soichiro's death anniversary to bring this up. This was very insensitive on their part. Concerning the teacher and the age issues, I feel we have to stress out that we need to put this in its proper historical and geographical context here. We are talking of the 1980s here and even more so, we are talking of Japan! Before the mid-90s Japan still had one of the world most liberal and what many sociologists perceive as a 'positive outlook' on sexuality as opposed to the Western repressive and invasive and hypocritical models which continue to exist even to this day - especially in the Anglo-american world which, believe it or not, is quite conservative when it comes to sex. Another cultural difference that we have to bear in mind is that teachers are seen as mere functionaries in Anglo-american societies whereas in India, China and especially Japan, teachers enjoy high regards by society, are revered and perceived in somewhat similar light to doctors and lawyers! In the US even a university professor courting a student is a crime; a nurse accepting her patient's romantic advances risk losing her job and badge registration etc. This is seen as normal and taken-for-granted norms for us but we have to bear in mind this is not the case elsewhere. I have personally seen brazilian telenovela for instance, where the girl openly go out with her university tutor very much in the same way 2 colleagues meet outside of the work environment and date each other without any problem! When it comes to age, I think ageism is becoming a real problem in many western societies. Whereas racism, gender, disability and physical inequalities and discrimination is looked down upon by society, the steotypes associated with 'age' is getting more and more entrenged and colour our whole perception of the social world. 'Age' seems to tell us everything about a person from what they are, who they are supposed to be , how they are supposed to be and who they are expected to be with, what they can and can't do etc. the list goes on and on. Purely based on stereotypes and not on facts of course! I've even heard people frowning for a 19 yrs old boy and a 16 yrs old girl who are in a couple relationship! This is true especially in America. Coming back to our characters here, I don't think Kyoko's and soichiro's age difference would have been such a big issue there. Girls develop physically much faster than boys and until the recently imposed excessive Western Cultural taboo surrounding adolescent sexuality, adolescent girls generally, given the right opportunities, throughout the ages have always been attracted to men in their 20s who were seen as much more independent and gown-up and mature. If you have watched Sailor Moon which came out in the 90s in Japan, we see the same thing, viz. a plain and boring 14 yr/o girl who has a dull school boy running after her but whose life suddenly change when she met this magical, talking cat who transformed her into a Super-heroine who saves the world every night, who suddenly has cool friends and this 'cool' masked and sophisticated university boyfriend who was portrayed as the ultimate bf material to-die-for (as opposed to the idiots at her high school)! And I personally think this does reflect reality, that is, without the constraints imposed by Western societies. I think, considering the context and everything, her parents might just be controlling people, the kind of people who simply refuse to see that their children have grown up. This deserves an A+ if ever written as an essay :) Now to the main point, you mean to tell me Godai imagined Kozue's dad about shoot him?! WTF Godai your imagination has gone a little crazy there! Another thing, Godai if you don't want to have that type of relationship with Kozue and know that Kozue thinks of you in that way, STOP leading her on and just tell her you don't see her that way! I'm not going to feel sorry for Godai if he does this way too late and Kozue becomes deeply hurt by this and he becomes guilt ridden from it >:( Finally, even though Kyoko's parents and Souichirou's father want her to move on, I still think it's unfair how her parents just keep on pressuring her to do things she just doesn't want to do ( like moving in with them). Overall, what a dramatic episode this has been. |
| Kozue why do you do this? We all know that Godai loves Kyoko |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I knew it would be tough, but this is more than I had expected. Godai has to work extra hard. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Godai should definitely make it firm and clear if he actually loves Kosue or not to her. |
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| Oof good thing that was just in Godai's head,I mean if my girlfriend's father points a gun at me I would be traumatized and never visit her ever again. Those parents are persistent af and have no damn shame yelling useless stuff like that in public. |
 OoOoO hey, lookie, new OP and ED. I noticed this was the last episode of the first season, so I figured they were tryna do something special by making an exclusive theme. That's not the case, though. Wikipedia says the following... The song was originally created by an Irish singer, Gilbert O'Sullivan, and for whatever reason, his backers were able to make a deal with the Japanese execs behind this show, to feature his music in the anime, which was mainstream at the time. The 'Western' folks figured it would do O'Sullivan some good to gain some exposure in Asian countries. But, why are O'Sullivan's OP and ED only featured for episode 24, if not for the purpose of being special, end-of-season finale songs? Apparently, O'Sullivan's OD and ED for Maison Ikkoku "WEREN'T POPULAR"? I wish there were a more thorough elaboration, but that's apparently the reason. I don't know if people just really liked the original OP, or if they had a problem with English lyrics (which can't be the case, because historically the Japanese have liked 'Western' pop music, and have incorporated it into anime from time to time). I'm a little surprised myself. I really liked the OP and ED. MUCH more than the initial OP and the first two ED's. Albeit quiet and not as bouncy and upbeat as I'd prefer, O'Sullivan's songs were good, and went quite well with the visuals, which I found to be appealing. Side note, this special OD/ED weren't used for the dub, which I'm actually watching. So I originally missed the 'new OP'. Apparently it wasn't used for "copyright reasons", which the singer seems to be particular about. |
removed-userJan 21, 2021 11:00 PM
| How long will Yuusaku be unable to talk properly to Kozue? I know he's not the brightest guy this show can offer but come on at least try to make yourself clear you see her as just a friend. Kyouko's part felt a bit boring until the very end when it got more engaging and then it got funny with Yuusaku getting completely ignored by them. |
| Drawing, colouring and animation is getting better by the episode and I just love hand drawn anime of this era. Kozue chan is so damn cute but that move was DIRTY :O Otosnahi father telling it straight to Kyoko san how it is and thankfully she seemed to understand :) it must be hard to let go of someone you cared for so dearly. |
| New Opening and Ending! |
| Trains EPs 18/96 In total 35 (+1) |
| It’s so unfortunate Gilbert O’Sullivan’s OP and ED were just used for one episode, THEY WERE SO GOOD! I wouldn’t have been upset at all if they replaced the already amazing 1st OP and the 2nd ED for a while, but if what someone else said in this thread about this OP and ED being unpopular is true, then it is what it is, I thought they were great, really good 80s jams, and hey they introduced me to Gilbert O’Sullivan too, I’ll definitely be checking out his other music thanks to this anime. And about the episode itself, it was a great one for Valentine’s Day which is the day I’m watching this on, and a really good one with some Kozue focus while Kyoko visits Soichiro’s grave with her parents this time. The situation with Kozue was sweet and also hilarious thanks to Yuusaku’s fantasy of Kozue’s dad stuffing a shotgun down his throat, that really caught me by surprise lol, I was thinking it was kinda dirty of Kozue to fool Yuusaku into meeting her parents like that, but really this is all on Yuusaku, he loves Kyoko but continues to keep hanging with Kozue, there’s nothing wrong with it if it was just as friends but it’s clearly dates lol, I mean I don’t have any problem with it because I love Kozue, I think she’s a great girl and a nice match for Yuusaku, but because Kyoko is the end game she’s sadly just an obstacle in the story, oh well, I’ll enjoy these Kozue moments while we got ‘em. And the stuff with Kyoko and her parents was great this time around, I really love how Kyoko just bites right back at them when they try to chew her head off, it’s hilarious, mad respect for Kyoko too. But the real interesting part here was Kyoko’s father-in-law’s moment, I’m a bit surprised his reaction to Kyoko grieving after 2 years was to tell her to move on, part of what he said was inspiring like “you’re not dead yet, you’re still alive”, but really it’s not crazy that Kyoko would still grieve the way she does after 2 years, seems pretty understandable to me lol, but this is playing into Kyoko looking for romance again which really would be a good for her, so I can’t complain too much. |
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