Golden Kamuy 3rd Season Episode 3 Discussion

RobinTheKing said:
Can anyone give me a short reminder of why Sugimoto is with the 7th, even though they're enemies?

Timbsoka said:
Great episode. They did a great job adapting Tsukishima's backstory. It sucks that it seems like they're skipping the next arc and going straight to the circus but at least it'll still be entertaining. We'll be getting some fun moments next week lol

TGAvi said:


I don,t think They skip it
its appear in OP !
I think we will see in episode 5

Futari_no_Ossan said:
Er... so what really happened to Igogusa-chan? Is she dead or alive?

At first she was presumably dead --> Tsukijima killing his daddy --> Tsurumi fabricated lie to tell him that she was alive --> Tsukijima serving in the army for 9 years --> someone from his village told him she was indeed dead --> Tsukijima lashing out at Tsurumi --> Tsurumi admitted he did all that to keep Tsukijima alive and save his life --> at the end it looks like that soldier is in cahoot with Tsurumi. WAT?

Why going through all this trouble to deceive Tsukijima a 2nd time? He would've served Tsurumi obediently after knowing Igogusa was alive somewhere in Tokyo... this is what I don't understand...

Kaifi said:
There's a very beautiful piece of music playing as the troops carried Tsurumi and Tsukishima away from the field. Does anyone have the title or link to that?

ZoroZoldyck said:
God I love Golden Kamuy so much and I'm so pained that it's not getting nearly enough attention D':

Kaguyachinchin said:
You see that guy who tells the truth outside the tent after Tsurumi and Tsukishima finally have the "conversation of truth"....curious to what that might mean.

almarue said:
Tsurumi stated that he needed men who would do dirty jobs and ready to plunge into the depth of hell (men who would do terrible things that got nothing left to lose).

Futari_no_Ossan said:


Perhaps by tricking poor Tsukijima a 2nd time that'd allow him to obtain that type of subordinate; since I'm the type who won't fix something that's not broken I'd have been ok with leaving Tsukijima as he is without risking my frontal lobe, guess I'm not a reckless madlad like Tsurumi lol

Dukino said:
I do love a good tale from the past to illuminate the present. Here we learn about how Tsurumi has been playing Tsukishima like a fiddle for quite some time. Tsukishima backstory is super brutal. Having a piece of shit murder father, the whole village hating Tsukishima over that for basically no reason. Having the girl Igogusa for some time but going off to war only for her to not be there when he returned. Of course this is where it gets muddied.

Igogusa whereabouts really come down to do we trust the crazy and wildly manipulative Tsurumi with the words he's spending to Tsukishima. Did Tsukishima father kill Igogusa like Tsurumi told the villagers or was she really whisked away to Tokyo by her parents like Tsurumi tells Tsukishima now. Its kinda left up in the air I think. Tsurumi reassures Tsukishima that she's alive in Tokyo at the end but there's that look Tsurumi has while saying it that makes me question whether or nor he's telling the truth. I mean now that Tsukishima has said he will devote his life to helping Tsurumi there's no reason for Tsurumi to really tell him the honest truth, but instead just tell him the convenient truth that will get Tsukishima to fall in line with Tsurumi plan of getting the Ainu gold.

Fascinating episode showing us how the two meet and what Tsukishima circumstances are, why he presses forward. Those words to Sugimoto at the beginning of the episode holding more weight now. Speaking of the beginning of the episode, Kiroranke telling Asirpa about her father and his origins up in Karafuto. How he was half Polish. How he felt abandoned by both Russia and Japan like the rest of the Ainu did. How he wanted to protect the Ainu after that.

There's gotta be more to this that Kiroranke isn't saying. At least he's keeping Ogata at bay about forcing the secret knowledge Wilk gave Asirpa out of her head. Have to see where that goes.

betaweeb said:
insane episode, whenever the show gives us a wartime flashback it delivers, and it delivers in spades. tsurumi is such a terrifying character, he spends years and concocts meticulous schemes just to get the most devoted and trustworthy follower, a strong proponent of quality over quantity no doubt.
seeing sugimoto there as well, and vacating the sled with his buddy was heartbreaking and telling of the kind of guy he really is, and seeing that the title for next week contains his name and moniker can't help but make me get my hopes up for next week as well.
honestly, i wasn't really feeling the first two episodes of the season, they were fun but the combination of not really remembering all the plot threads and current situation and groups(i really need to rewatch the show), along with the stenka being amusing but not a highlight for me, kinda made me lose some hype, but this episode being one of the best in the series IMO definitely brought me back, can't wait for the rest of the season and to continue the series after that as well(going to the manga if i'll have to).

Futari_no_Ossan said:
Why going through all this trouble to deceive Tsukijima a 2nd time? He would've served Tsurumi obediently after knowing Igogusa was alive somewhere in Tokyo... this is what I don't understand...

almarue said:


Igogusa's fate is still in question but it doesn't matter anymore as Tsukishima has made up his mind to remain loyal to Tsurumi.

First, let's say that we believe in the first story that Tsurumi told about Igogusa-chan married to someone and currently living in Tokyo.

Tsurumi stated that he needed subordinate who spoke Russian and the military would value that person in order to prepare or the upcoming war and that man would be Tsukishima.

But was that enough to get Tsukishima out of jail? (According to Tsurumi, the answer was no)

So Tsurumi made a stage, tricking everyone in the village that he found Igogusa's remains buried under Tsukishima's father's house so that people would perceive that he deserved to meet his brutal demise, that Tsukishima was justified to kill him, thus making it easier for him to be released from prison.

But why didn't Tsurumi tell Tsukishima about this? It's probably that he didn't want to burden Tsukishima for more. Besides, Tsurumi's goal of making Tsukishima find back his will to live has been accomplished.

The soldier who told Tsukishima that Igogusa-chan was indeed dead was clearly ordered by Tsurumi. But why did Tsurumi think he needed to do so?

Tsurumi stated that he needed men who would do dirty jobs and ready to plunge into the depth of hell (men who would do terrible things that got nothing left to lose). Even after 9 years, Tsukishima was still tied with Igogusa's memory as he still kept Igogusa's hair. Maybe Tsurumi wanted to test his loyalty and bind him even more by letting him know how much effort he put in to get him out of jail. Even after knowing the story from the soldier, Tsukishima didn't lose it, though he got mad and demanded an explanation. Tsurumi knew right away that Tsukishima would be a great use of him so he tried to keep him alive by throwing him while Tsukishima tried to protect him, resulting in Tsurumi losing his frontal lobe.

Later, Tsurumi told Tsukishima that it was all an act to make it easier for getting him out of his death row and Igogusa-chan was alive and well with her family in Tokyo. And at that moment, Tsukishima believed this. What's left of Tsukishima now? First, he was grateful that Tsurumi saved his life but now that he learned how Tsurumi risking his position (by lying about Tsukishima's ability of speaking Russian) and the length he would do to get him out of his death row (by putting on an act) then saving him again by throwing his body which just happened, how could one not feel highly indebted?

Why did the letters stop coming? Was Igogusa alive or dead?
Why did Tsukishima's father spread the rumor about his death?
Did Tsurumi really dig up Igogusa's remains?
In the first place, was the story about Igogusa married and living in Tokyo really true?
WE DON'T KNOW. And Tsukishima doesn't either. They may be truths mixing up with lies and lies and lies until it doesn't matter anymore.

Tsukishima threw away Igogusa's hair as a symbol of leaving his past. Did he regret this? YES, HE DID. If you paid attention to how this story started, it began by Tsukishima warning Sugimoto not to lose his control or he would regret it in the future then a flashback of Tsukishima throwing Igogusa's hair. So, did Tsukishima learn the truth? Yes and no. It will be another story in the future.