Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai Episode 12 Discussion

@IzanaSolos ah yes, the generation of overexaggeration., how can you go all day when there are only 2 other better shows as per your opinion? get a hold of reality man

@stevejawbs she wanted to be recognised as her daughter and by using her real name instead of her stage one she took it as confirmation that her mom sees her for who she is.
Also reconfirmation, she shows up at the school later.
I do have to say that I hate the handling for the mom. She is readily accepted as a 'good mom', past issues are immediately disregarded, basically boiled down to bullshit misunderstanding. 'She was a good mom all along', but they just didn't talk about it after her mom prioritised her own carrer over her child and so the misunderstanding took until Kano herself figured it out that it wasn't like that. The mom-daughter don't even have a conversation afterwards.

@watsym Right, yeah that makes sense. I still think there were way more benefits to credit Kano with her real name and only downsides to credit her as Nonoka, making it a purely business decision to do so. But I can see how Kano interpreted that as her accepting who she is, although again, we haven't seen any scenes to know if the mom kept calling her Nonoka after she retired from that name.

The way I interpreted the graduation scene was that Kano is moving on from her, getting past her desire of trying to impress her. I don't think she's accepted as a 'good mom', rather just someone that Kano is indifferent to now, instead of someone she hated. Kano tells her "I made your dream come true" (of having an audience of 50k), then walks away from her, ready to move forward to a life without her.

But yeah the mom definitely needed way more time to flesh out her character. Same with Mero; it made no sense that in the previous episode, she was played off as "just griping online" by Yoru, despite her explicitly ruining the lives of other idol groups intentionally. Now she's friends with Kano again, because I guess she's not a terrible person anymore? Who knows.

@saikyozero Lol, didn't you originally ask him to name anything better this season, and didn't he provide you with two examples with objectively higher scores? Just take the L.

I mean, it's your opinion that Kurage is better than the other two, but majority opinion says otherwise.

@saikyozero Lol, didn't you originally ask him to name anything better this season, and didn't he provide you with two examples with objectively higher scores? Just take the L.

I mean, it's your opinion that Kurage is better than the other two, but majority opinion says otherwise.

@Softhenic03 we all? I have been saying that for a month now. From the start there never was an antagonist, a story and a conflict doesn't require one.



I like how at the finale everyone has pretty much a thing going for them but Kano's onee-chan only sleeping at the car, the manager just watching store as usual, and Koharu take another plastic surgery.

What I didn't like though, despite being an advocate of "Yukine and Mero did nothing wrong", I don't think Mero deserve hanging out with Kano at the end.

@stevejawbs she wanted to be recognised as her daughter and by using her real name instead of her stage one she took it as confirmation that her mom sees her for who she is.
Also reconfirmation, she shows up at the school later.
I do have to say that I hate the handling for the mom. She is readily accepted as a 'good mom', past issues are immediately disregarded, basically boiled down to bullshit misunderstanding. 'She was a good mom all along', but they just didn't talk about it after her mom prioritised her own carrer over her child and so the misunderstanding took until Kano herself figured it out that it wasn't like that. The mom-daughter don't even have a conversation afterwards.

@saikyozero I'll gladly name one better just in this season alone, Girls Band Cry, which fyi, has a higher score than this and it's not even done airing lol. There's also Hibike S3, I can go on all day.

So what was the point of Koharu being in the story? She's just a creep and that's it.

It was ok. It had a strong start but fell off really hard in the end. I mean, all that buildup, just for it to be resolved in the final episode's first 5 minutes. It felt... really rushed. Like, really REALLY rushed. Also, I have no idea why they wanted to make this seem like a Yuri yet just throw that shit out completely. Like, why even add it to begin with if you're not going to commit? I know Yuri bait shows exist, but this one just didn't make sense in the slightest. A lot of "Yuri bait" shows that I've seen like lycoris recoil didn't make me feel unsatisfied like this anime did, so I don't know why they even added it in the first place. Made it feel like they just added it for pure fan service, which I don't really like. It just, doesn't add anything to the story. Other than that, they also added a lot of side characters to the story that just didn't do anything for the story. Like that girl who talked with Kiui while playing video games. I completely forgot she even existed till she appeared again in this episode. It was like, her whole existence was meaningless.

Complains aside, it was still a good experience. The show feels like a love letter for artists in many fields such as music, art, content creation. I think they did it splendidly. It has a unique art style to back up this story about artists working together as a group. The group's cast are interesting, with unique design. Love Kiui the most out of all of them, and I think her struggles feel the most real to me. Kano was good too, her feeling of wanting to be recognized is one I can relate to a lot. Mahiru's artblock struggles and seeing her overcome it is inspiring. As for kimura... Well, she's cool I guess. Not my favorite personally but there's nothing wrong with her character and I'm sure people can relate to a lot of what she goes through as well, just not for me. .

Overall, it was alright at best. Could've been more. 7/10

It seems like the cool thing to do is ride the wave of hate, and criticize this anime to hell and back, but I really loved it! I personally think it will be looked at much more fondly in years to come as a solid anime original despite this early criticism, like Flip Flappers, Kyousougiga, Yuri Kuma Arashi, etc. It stayed in its lane, kept things simple, the production was good, the characters and their interactions were cute and wholesome, and it never had any big fumbles like Wonder Egg Priority. I think maybe some people were putting unrealistic expectations on a series that showed its hand early as a cute, escapist, over-the-top comedy-drama, and stuck to its guns until the end. It never tried or appeared to be anything other than that, so it looks like there was quite a bit of misguided hope in the direction it was going after the first several episodes.

Great production, adorable cast of characters, and some nice funny and emotional moments sprinkled in! Always happy to see new strong anime originals! :)

@rheasilvia I disagree with your point on Mero. We clearly saw she felt regret over what happened with Kano since she was the reason she got kicked out. She didn't want to outreach to her because she didn't feel like she deserved to but after yelling encouragement at Kano for her performance she felt like they could reconnect again to reconcile. Would of been nice for things to be fleshed out further with a 13th episode but I don't think that part was undeserved.

I do agree about this bizarre notion that Yukine was "evil"... like... nothing we were shown ever indicated anything of the sort. It was always preposterous, hence the scare quotes around "evil". She's a pro's pro, she had to kick Kano out, even if she was her daughter. People apparently just HAVE to have an antagonist to understand a story lol, even though it was obvious that wasn't going to be Yukine's role very quickly.

@Seansy Oh I didn't meant that as Mero didn't progress her character. It was more on the side of "She always was about herself and never about hang out even with the other 2 Sunflower Girls. She doesn't deserve being to be friend with Kano out of nowhere since her character is all about being alone."

@stevejawbs "Majority" LMAO. Again with the overexagerration. As original commenter said, Girls Band Cry wasn't even completed so its rating can still tank. Another addition to my reasoning, not even half many number of people watched GBC than this anime.

If you like your GBC then so be it, but at least learn to use proper adjectives. Not everything should be labeled best, worst, etc.

@stevejawbs LMAO clearly defending another member of the exaggeration generation. Clearly both of you have lower comprehension so I'll make it clear. He said he can go all day to name animes with same "genre" with higher numbers when clearly there are only two.

@watsym @stevejawbs

Wtf??? She didn't magically become a "good mom" at the end? She was never a good mom all along! That's the whole reason Kano blows her off after school! Just because she wants her mom's validation doesn't mean she's forgiven her for everything she did lol.

@Seansy Why tag me here lol, I never made that assertion.

The ending is highly disappointing not only because of how rushed and abrupt it is but because of all the inconsistencies that characters like Maru and Kano's mother have in their way of acting, it shows that they needed 3 or 4 more chapters to give coherence to that happy ending that they sought to deliver and what makes it even worse is the excellent work that the series had been doing until chapter 10.
Look, I love this anime too much and that means I can't be as hard on it as I should and above all, this disappointing ending hurts me more than necessary.
PS: It surprises me even more that the majority omits all the obvious flaws in this ending

@jsooka Koharu is there for Kiui's gender dysphoria. Her plastic surgery to remake her body as she believes it should be is a contrast to Kiui's Vtuber character being androgynous. That's why she mentions the recovery for her nose job in the episode.

Just like how Mama Baba is there for Kano's character as an idol that has to lie about herself to fit in, much like Kano has to become an anonymous artist to keep singing after getting kicked out.

@saikyozero Okay, but he answered your original challenge. I guess now the hate is justified, and it has your stamp of approval.