Enen no Shouboutai Episode 6 Discussion

Gourmetforce said:


I am not sure if i would call this a shounen because in the manga there is a lot of death
and in shounen they do not kill so easy characters

MasterHavik said:
I have survived somehow. I have to say this episode and last one was just a fucking shitshow. These were very bad episodes and when the people praising this show barely over 100 to 500 posts that tells you something ain't right. But like the last thread, let's review episode 6 in the same way I did episode 5. We can tell you why the show's MAL Score is falling into the toilet.

-Shinra is hamming up his role as the shonen main boy with his spamming of hero talk. He may not be whiny like the other main boys, but he will tell he wants to be a hero. If you have played wild Arms 2, you will hate this character more.

-Hibana shows up and she is looking sexy and pretty and fucking awesome. And I am like, "God, why does this character exist in such a bad show? She is awesome." Her backstory and reasons make a lot of sense. She lost faith and used her powers to do what she wanted to do. She embraces being a devil while Shinra rejects it. I got no problems with anything they did here besides making her look like a joke and wanting Shinra's cock after getting punch in the face. I will also have to note some of her dialogue heavily fell into the relam of twirling mustache villian. btw that as her backstory not really Iris's backstory. But we'll save Iris for later.

Hibana is the worst thing in the series imo but to each their own.


-Shinra keeps hero spamming and thinks being lightheaded is a state of mind. Uh...Shinra it's not. *Gets beat up some more.* Is he gonna learn it isn't? OH wait...I am getting a feeling. I can sense it. Ugh...what is this? Ohh....it is...

-THE RANDOM SHONEN ASSPULL HAS REVEAL ITSELF! Shinra ignores beign daze and confuse and power throughs her offense because fuck you the plot has given the power like He-man to defeat her and turn her into a babyface. She got the good guy punch in the face. Move over Naruto and Deku, Shinra is turning character babyface by punching the shit out despite being at a disadvantage! On a serious note, it makes zero sense why Shinra did that and it is an asspull. Don't defend it. You know the plot just gave him that power.

Or maybe this ability was not that OP? What made you think that there was no way around it? By

-The fight and overall aniamtion is pretty sweet even if the pacing is bizarre and the cuts are off at some points. But hey this piece of shit looks pretty. That's all you need, right?

-Oh...what about Iris? Yeah, she is there. She is just chilling and relaxing. Hmm...uh....so where that backstory? You gonna hide that you use her as a plot device by saying she isn't shy anymore when you have shown that already? You legit jsut blackball one of your own characters for the sake of plot and hero spamming as far as the eyes can see. Congrats Iris, you have upgraded to the role of cheerleader nun. She has been made so useless words can't describe.

It's... kind of the point? Sisters are useless action wise, they are here for support and to bring salvation. So they can't do anything, which is why Hibana was doubting the reason sisters exist.

-Oh the 5th division got job out by one dude? Welp we know the world is save when one of the divisions of it are made out to look liek jobbers. I know there are research team but to look like is jsut sad and just makes the 8th look like John Cena. The way they handle this made you really have to ask, "Are the really that bad?" Stop me for a second. Is catching Inferals and turning them into weapons relaly unethical? It seems more useful than bad. You can argue, "ThEiR GoAl Is To PuT To ReSt!"but that won't get them anywhere if they are just killing them and saying, "Latmo."

Hinawa and Maki are trained specifically to fight other brigades if need be.
Agreed about your reflexion.

-Following up from this...they are just gonna stop looking into the "Shady practices" of the 5th and have a dinner party just makes this whole situation look dumb and makes the 8th look like bullies and what I said about this being a legal headache cleanup is going to be solve by Hibana working her paperwork magic. She gets off scot free for blackmailing her way to the top. Yay! Friendship baby!

Won't Hibana stop doing her unethical research like Iris asked? That was my understanding.

-The closing scene is mildly funny but just seems pointless and that they are just gonna drop everything.

In closing, if this episode played out the same way it did in the manga, I have lsot a lot of respect for the author. His writing has really been on the decline since Soul Eater Not. It is really starting to show he is leaning on plot armor and asspulls to tell a story and it makes me wonder how this guy wrote Soul Eater. This episode was bad, and he just outright buried one of his own characters for no reason for the sake of a plot.

WiselyKamelot said:


It was the weakest arc, don't worry. This arc felt kind of like a failed experiment by Ohkubo. (Sorry about inserting my answers in your post I dont know how to do this cleanly)

Yautja said:


Go read the genre tags on here, on Baka, on any anime or manga site which hosts this series. It's a shounen. Shounen does not and never has as a genre been explicitly devoid of death, and death does not conceptually contradict the genre.

Bibimbapski said:
I'm going to choke a bitch if Shinra says "hero" one more time. When Arthur says he's a knight, it does get annoying but at the same time, I find it funny because he's an actual idiot missing a few brain cells. Shinra's like every regurgitated shounen protagonist with a tragic backstory (even though we know his little brother is alive) aiming to become a hero and he makes sure that EVERYONE knows about it at every given opportunity.

And just like every shounen protagonist, he gets an extremely attractive and sexy woman who is into him for no reason than him punching her. That scene gave me strong Black Star punching Maka vibes from Soul Eater in the manga. In reality, that shit wouldn't slide. Made me like Hibana less, not that I ever liked her to begin with. Aside from Maki and Tamaki, the rest of the female cast are pretty annoying, even the beloved Iris is unappealing to a certain degree. I loved most of the female characters in Soul Eater so this series surprised me with how unbearable most of the female cast was. Omg, wait till this progresses four to five arcs (I think) later.

I noticed that they've been animating them from a distance with no facial features. It has happened a few times now. Very minimal to no movements at all. Awkward pauses here and there. Sometimes the animation is beautiful and flawless and at times, it feels like two or three studios are working on a single episode at the same time.

MasterHavik said:
All good man I had to read through things carefully to make sure I know what was from you. I also need to write a little better in some parts. I really like her besides some parts of her character being mustache twirlish. I think she was a lot of fun and I liked her backstory.

Nah the ability was op and she had him beat Shinra won because the plot says so. Her ability as we understand it is if she looks at you she can stun you and has the ability to use other moves. What they could have done here in the anime and manga is make it so Shinra blinds her and then punches her as that could have been the weakness.

But the sisters won't play any role in actually helping figure out who is causing the Inferals issues. The show is just making useless characters for the sake of it. The mascot get an excuse as they are just good PR but what is the excuse for the nuns? You remove them and you lose nothing.

Yeah they can be trained for it and struggle. Battle Shonen need to realize that it is okay for a character to struggle before winning. If you just have them one hit kill everything there is no tension or stakes.

I still don't understand what makes Company 5 so evil when they seem to be helpful and 8th division may have just made their job harder for no reason. This was a really poor arc but I hope the show can get better. I'm very disappointed in how badly written the show is. It doesn't help that some of the worst scenes in this show far were from the manga makes me wonder if the author is thinking his ideas through.

Bibimbapski said:
I'm going to choke a bitch if Shinra says "hero" one more time. When Arthur says he's a knight, it does get annoying but at the same time, I find it funny because he's an actual idiot missing a few brain cells. Shinra's like every regurgitated shounen protagonist with a tragic backstory (even though we know his little brother is alive) aiming to become a hero and he makes sure that EVERYONE knows about it at every given opportunity.

And just like every shounen protagonist, he gets an extremely attractive and sexy woman who is into him for no reason than him punching her. That scene gave me strong Black Star punching Maka vibes from Soul Eater in the manga. In reality, that shit wouldn't slide. Made me like Hibana less, not that I ever liked her to begin with. Aside from Maki and Tamaki, the rest of the female cast are pretty annoying, even the beloved Iris is unappealing to a certain degree. I loved most of the female characters in Soul Eater so this series surprised me with how unbearable most of the female cast was. Omg, wait till this progresses four to five arcs (I think) later.

I noticed that they've been animating them from a distance with no facial features. It has happened a few times now. Very minimal to no movements at all. Awkward pauses here and there. Sometimes the animation is beautiful and flawless and at times, it feels like two or three studios are working on a single episode at the same time.

guizo- said:
kind of a weak episode, Hibana's personality did a 180º turn in 5 minutes...

Gourmetforce said:


Yep it's called character progression this is my problem when there is no character progression in like 5-6 episodes which is kinda early people kinda bitch about that story-wise there is no progression and development for the characters when they show development people bitch about that the personality made 180 degrees of change.

Can we plz decide what the hell we want?

MasterHavik said:
This makes you value shows like My Hero Academia much more. Only one girl really wants to hit off with Deku while the others share an interest in what he likes or respect him.

I really need to worry what is going on with this author because since Soul Eater NOT. His writing has started to fall apart.

Gourmetforce said:


My hero academia has 3 freaking seasons and a total of like 53 episodes, if i am not mistaken in each of those 53 episodes deku, is a crying bitch who mentions hero related lines many times in each of those episodes and if i had 1 dollar for each time deku said stuff similar to shinra i would had gathered at least 5-10.000 dollars.

There should not even be a comparison between 6 episodes and like 5-6 times you heard a line with 53 episodes and like 6-8 times you hear a line

Gourmetforce said:



The enlist as a shounen could be wrong and no offense just because some site have them as shounen doesn't mean they are shounen do you know how many manga that are seinen have tagged as shounen?

Gourmetforce said:


My hero academia has 3 freaking seasons and a total of like 53 episodes, if i am not mistaken in each of those 53 episodes deku, is a crying bitch who mentions hero related lines many times in each of those episodes and if i had 1 dollar for each time deku said stuff similar to shinra i would had gathered at least 5-10.000 dollars.

There should not even be a comparison between 6 episodes and like 5-6 times you heard a line with 53 episodes and like 6-8 times you hear a line

Yautja said:
You're a genuine moron if that's your argument. All sites have this listed as shounen you pedantic brainlet.

Shounen: a class of manga for an audience of young boys: see shōnen

This is a manga literally published in "Shounen Magazine (Weekly)" and I could not find the words to express how delusional you'd have to be to think this is not targeted to young boys, and does not follow a myriad of shounen tropes.

Go troll or harass some other thread you fanboy bot.

Slimcoder said:


You are indeed mistaken because Deku cry's nowhere near the amount of time you are stating, certainly not every single episode that's just nonsense. I swear anyone who complains about Deku crying so much is shorthand for them not actually watching or paying attention much to the show. Even then Deku is on a career path literally about superheroes & is learning to be one so him talking about heroes a good deal is fairly justified since everyone else talks about it too cause its a show about superheroes.

The problem here with Shinra's hero talk is not just the repetition of his motivation as well as the fact he is a fire-fighter but he pulled a shonen "my ideals will change you" without much or any build-up in the battle. Had it been done better with less repetition of lines, more build-up, a more dynamic battle, Hibana not pulling a total turn to the good-guys side, & more compelling dialogue from Shinra it would have been more believable a climax but it wasn't at least to a good deal of people here.

Gourmetforce said:


No one said about the build-up.

They said that shinra is annoying because he says his hero line " i am gonna save you because i am a hero or that is what heroes are doing saving people"

Noone from those mentioned the build-up, that entirely different if they had said the build-up is weird or feels forced , i would have totally agreed but everyone keeps bitching about how shinra says that "i will save you because i am a hero or because that's what heroes do"

They say they feel annoying about shinra repeat this but at the same time we have them praising deku from my hero academia who does exactly the same plus he was crying a lot (i do not care the reason why he was crying i am not here to analyze why deku cried )

I am here to state the facts and facts is that a) deku cried and cried a lot and too much in 53 episodes but crying is not where i have my focus, is that deku himself also pulled so many times in like each episode similar lines like shinra"that heroes are helping others and heroes are justice symbol and crap like this" and no one bitches about deku but they are bitching about shinra who said "i want to be a hero" in like 6 episodes a bunch of times.

That's 100% hypocrisy not complaining at all when one character does it but then complain about it when another character does it and less times.

You know what the real 100% reason? they just do not like or they are forcing themselves to watch this and that's why they literally searching a hair under tons of straw to find stuff to complain about.

Slimcoder said:


People have difficulty getting their point across, simple as that. They usually go for the most visible example and not mention the other underlying problems necessarily. Whether they mention it or not, the problem is generally a bunch of factors (such as the lack of build-up) that meld together headlined by the piece that is most easy to point fingers at (Shinra's catchphrase/motivation especially because its very noticeable since you can hear it). Its never the one thing.

If people have to actually go out & point at another show for doing something similar but priase them for it, then all that means is that the other show executed its thing in a manner that they found satisfying or not as annoying compared to the first show.

Also I have actually watched the MHA show up to its current episodes so please stop saying he cry's during all of it, he only does so during big emotional sequences which are far in-between. Its not fact, it's over-exaggeration & hyperbole, & to treat it as fact is just incorrect.

Gourmetforce said:


Really interesting choice of words you chose

You saw that there is no way you can handle me in terms of a statement so you went to the oldest trick in the book something people 6-8 years old kids do and you try to discredit my opinion by claiming i am a bot and a fanboy.


I am not a fanboy i am casual reader and watcher who gets annoyed when he sees people like you not been 100% fair and hating something while failing to realize stuff that should.

If you have shitholes for eyes and a dead brain is not my fault man but don't just say that something is trash because you are simple too dumb to realize the true meaning behind.

x0e said:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. This episode just made me love the series more than i already did. I actually can't see why other people hate on it so much.

phantomfandom said:
I'm wondering if it's really necessary for 8th division to invade 5th division.
Also it's ridiculous to think that no person in an occupation that put out fire has water ability.
And Shinra said Hero more than My Hero Academia and One Punch Man combined.

Farabeuf said:
She got off easy. One punch, even one as satisfying as our boy landed, was not enough punishment considering the shit she's done.

MonkeyDHunter said:


Truth to be told, I never expect romance in a battle shonen. I just found the moment itself cringeworthy because of how cheesy it was lol

-Stray said:

Yeah but, I expected at least one heavy hitter on their squad if they were full of non combat types, their whole squad got took out by literally 2 2nd gens and 2 rookie 3rd gens. But this is just me being too nitpicky.

Yautja said:


No, I already disproved your dumbass claim by pointing out the definition of the word, where the manga is published and how the series is classified on every site that hosts it. The insults were for dramatic effect and to point out how fucking brain dead you are for thinking this isn't a shounen; only a bot or a fan boy would be stupid enough to use that as a defence against the criticism I and many others leveled.