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Feb 19, 2009 7:09 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Omg, the ending of this episode made me feel sad! Gintama has the greatest random shifts of emotion in any anime or show i ever seen! Its interesting I hated Hosen in beggining but now I don't know he doesn't seem that bad of a person now o.o
Feb 19, 2009 7:19 PM
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link with english sub pls?
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Mar 10, 2009 11:07 AM
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who is subbing 145? ep, i'm mean it's odd to jump from 105 to 145 :S

wondering if some one have found any ep between 105 - 145?
Mar 22, 2009 8:22 PM
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I think it's something like the subbers are slow, so the subbed portion reaches around 105, and the available raws are up to 145. I don't know for sure though. :o

Mar 22, 2009 9:29 PM
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/Gintama Has ep 129-149 (and weekly simulcasts) of Gintama with decent quality industry subs (Sometimes americanized, but other then that, great quality.)

Over half of the eps between 106-128 are subbed, mostly mediocre quality, some lower then that though. If you want a link to those, PM me.

There is basically no progress/important arcs between 106-128 (or further for that matter), so its fine to watch in no specific order (except for arcs.)
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Sep 13, 2009 8:36 AM
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Glad this arc is over. Got tired of the melodrama quick.
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Oct 8, 2009 6:35 AM
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What? this arc is not yet finished?? i get tired of this arc, probably will skip ep 146
Dec 3, 2009 9:30 PM
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Man that was great, but i thought the focus would be on Kagura and her brother oh well

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Oct 19, 2010 2:35 AM
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Damn Gintama. Made me feel sorry for Housen instead. :<
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Oct 20, 2010 3:51 PM

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Worst Gintama arc so far, really boring.


Oct 27, 2010 4:10 AM

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I kinda felt bad for Housen..

Also, LOL at GinXHijikata cover in the beginning... xD
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Sesame-chan said:
Worst Gintama arc so far, really boring.


Wow... really? I thought it was a beautiful arc! Epic fight scenes AND epic sadness. Definitely a well done tear-jerker.

The last fight with Housen was absolutely horrifying and raw, it's AMAZING.
Jan 6, 2011 2:57 PM

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Nice arc, Gintoki was really my hero <3 totally loved the fight but the end was too long with the old man, it was a bit boring to be honest... but it was a good arc :D (and it proved once again how great Gintoki is)
Jan 27, 2011 12:51 AM

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I actually liked the arc. Had a good dose of everything and didn't drop pace much.
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Apr 18, 2011 7:57 AM
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i'm glad this arc is ever

hosen's story felt so fake
Apr 25, 2011 4:17 PM

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Lol @ the very start of this ep XD

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Jul 15, 2011 9:16 PM

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the only thing that good from this arc is the action, kagura, kamui, and tsukuyo... >.>
Aug 20, 2011 11:58 AM

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Not getting all the hate for this arc. Was completely awesome it was.
Oct 27, 2011 1:37 PM

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Not getting all the hate for this arc. Was completely awesome it was.

This. I thought this was the best arc so far O.o
Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM

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5biscuits said:

This. I thought this was the best arc so far O.o


Me too. My favorite so far. Though I think for me it's mostly because of Kamui, epic Kagura, Tsukuyo, and epic Gin.


And WHAT THE FACK. Makes me feel all bad for the bad guy now!
Jan 10, 2012 1:05 AM

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ya, i dont get what u guys r seeing in this thats bad. this is definitely a great arc
Jan 31, 2012 7:11 AM

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What the hell? I was totally rooting for Hosen to die a painful death, but now I feel sorry for him instead!

Damn you Gintama for making me sympathize with the villain!
Jun 28, 2012 11:24 PM

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The first 4 minutes were hilarious!!!

I actually feel kind of sad for him (with that flashback and all).. And was so touched that Hinowa still is so kind to him!

I like this arc for all the action from Kamui, Kagura and Gin!! Hope i can see Kamui in action again!
Aug 3, 2012 9:37 AM

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Sesame-chan said:
Worst Gintama arc so far, really boring.
its funny seeing people say this about the most beloved arc in the entire series

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Oct 12, 2012 3:53 PM

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Sesame-chan said:
Worst Gintama arc so far, really boring.

Seriously, dude? You saw the one with the ghosts right? >_>
Oct 29, 2012 1:18 PM

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Glad this arc is over. Got tired of the melodrama quick.


Pretty much agree. I prefer arcs like the ones focusing on the Shinsengumi as far as serious arcs. Kagura's fight scene was sweet, though.
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Mar 25, 2013 1:14 AM

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They do this normally with every viillan they show their true intent of their actions. Of course this doesn't make up for the fact he killed so many people. Kagura's brother really wants to fight Gin-chan though you can tell by the reaction he had to the attack Gin-chan did on the King. Of course this will be a fight for a later arc but all and all this arc has been pretty amazing.
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There was something I was hoping to happen. Ehm...

Hosen is about to deal the final blow to Gintoki. Kamui stops him with a terrifying kick and says "This man can't die here. After all, he has the potential to become a very strong opponent for me". He then looks at Gin and says "I will be back to take away everything you love, let us see if your reason to fight will give you the power you need to stop me" (or something along those lines).

But then again, Gintoki isn't much of a "training" guy is he? Meh... never mind what I said, Gintama is perfect as is :P

p.s Shinpachi needs to gain some fucking strength man!
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Aug 6, 2013 10:19 PM
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Has everyone forgotten the awesome kagura moments? how can you say you hate this arc ^^
Aug 28, 2013 11:18 AM

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What an impressive ending, really touching with that slight backstory and just wow, I really wonder what's next and lol the beginning was pretty random and funny!
May 2, 2014 9:57 PM

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Wooden blade > Umbrella, 'nuff said

No but seriously, Gin-chan wooden can literally beat everything, I'm sure it's because of that guy that was living in his sword in one random episode xD

Hosen had an interresting love/hate relationship with a lot of thing close to him. He brought sun in his eternal night to find a way to love it, but at the same time to conquer it. But I guess there is one light he never conquered and it was Hinowa. Btw, she was freaking cute when she was young :3

So it will end with a lot of blood and broken relationship. Will Kagura be able to beat her brother? I doubt it, she would have to go back with her natural instinct, which is definitely something she doesn't want. Also, I really want to know what Umibozu will tell Gintoki.

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There was something I was hoping to happen. Ehm...

Hosen is about to deal the final blow to Gintoki. Kamui stops him with a terrifying kick and says "This man can't die here. After all, he has the potential to become a very strong opponent for me". He then looks at Gin and says "I will be back to take away everything you love, let us see if your reason to fight will give you the power you need to stop me" (or something along those lines).

But then again, Gintoki isn't much of a "training" guy is he? Meh... never mind what I said, Gintama is perfect as is :P


I simply don't think that Kamui would bother save someone, whoever he is :P
He's only entertained by blood and battle, stoping a fight in the middle of it or right before someone win would be against his conviction.
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May 23, 2014 12:51 PM

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There is one thing I really dislike about this arc, and that's this ending. Why are they giving Housen a proper and respectful death scene? And to the people in the forums, did you forget all the evil shit Housen is responsible for? Just to make a quick example, he was going to kill the kid and all the ladies if Gintoki would have failed to stop him. He even said so himself. But sure, he had a change of heart at the end and now we should all feel sorry for him, right? Fuck that. Let Housen die like the pig he is. You're all hypocrites if you feel sorry for him.

Kagura was by far the best part about this arc.
Sep 11, 2014 11:17 PM

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After that flashback I think Hinowa's at fault too... she kept butting in Hosen's business.. goddamn interloper of a kid so the result? Hosen became obsessed with her.

And to those who hate this arc.. well I kinda agree with you but keep in mind that this is shounen too. No matter how evil the villain is when he's been defeated the worst thing to happen to him is to be beaten up or go to jail or something because that's justice.. Japanese justice at least. Well at the very least the old dude is gonna die.. well he looks like he's gonna die and he should be

Also this is not the end of the arc.. the end is the next episode.
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Lol at the beginning when they were talking about anime catching up with the manga only to buy 4 minutes of the airing time. XD

Gintoki's wooden sword is toooooooo OP!! Loved the way he beat the crap out of Hosen!! Even Kamui was surprised to see Gintoki overpowering King of Yato! BA!

When Hosen tried to attack Tsukuyo but Gintoki took all the hits from those Kunai to protect her, it was so much OTP moment. :3

Welp, he gets K.Oed by the sun. That was expected.
Dec 15, 2014 9:05 AM

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When I saw the first 5 mins of the episode, I thought it was the wrong one. Too bad it doesn't look there will be a fight between Kagura and Kamui in this arc.

Dec 30, 2014 9:28 PM

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"That would be..."
"We bought ourselves four minutes today"

I know it was coming but it's still funny XDD
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There is one thing I really dislike about this arc, and that's this ending. Why are they giving Housen a proper and respectful death scene? And to the people in the forums, did you forget all the evil shit Housen is responsible for? Just to make a quick example, he was going to kill the kid and all the ladies if Gintoki would have failed to stop him. He even said so himself. But sure, he had a change of heart at the end and now we should all feel sorry for him, right? Fuck that. Let Housen die like the pig he is. You're all hypocrites if you feel sorry for him.

Kagura was by far the best part about this arc.


In a nutshell, I thought this arc was dumb because it´s a series that breaks the 4th wall constantly and is hard to take serious in the first place.

But now this shit? It´s like OOHH yeah Hitler loved one jewish woman let´s all feel sorry for Hitler.
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What?

Nobody forgot the things Housen did, it's simply that in this episode it's the little instance of humanity and emotional background what is at the spotlight. Reductio ad hitlerum aside :P, what this episode did and resonated specially well on me is showing a side of the character I didn't expect. When you have a character that has been described in every single detail as despicable, that has a huge layer of evilness covering every part of him, it's natural that by contrast anything "good", or emotionally compelling that comes from him, is magnified. I think nobody excused him, the series didn't either. It just took advantage of the situation to deliver a little drama with a character that seemed unlikely to have any of.

Before you start calling people hypocrites (really...) or being annoyed because apparently one could never feel sorry for Hitler no matter the situation or the focus, try to understand how immediate and visceral emotional responses usually are. There's no point at rationalizing them and they are not incompatible. Because the fact I cried at this episode doesn't mean that I stopped hating Housen for what he did and represented.
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What?

Before you start calling people hypocrites (really...) or being annoyed because apparently one could never feel sorry for Hitler no matter the situation or the focus, try to understand how immediate and visceral emotional responses usually are. There's no point at rationalizing them and they are not incompatible. Because the fact I cried at this episode doesn't mean that I stopped hating Housen for what he did and represented.


So your argument is there is a scenario where you as a human being could feel sorry for Adolf Hitler?
I realize that you imply the possibility to be slim and that Housens case isn´t that severe.
But the sole difference between him and Hitler are numbers and the fact that one is real.

The point still stands there is nothing likeable or redeemable about this character, ofc every human being at it´s core is human, the actions are still not justified.
The drama feels forced and pointless at this point because this character has done nothing that makes the observer feel any affection for him, except people actually do ignore every prior event and just let themselves get drowned in the sad music and atmosphere that at this point is plain artificial. It´s like reality TV, cheap ass drama on demand. Press a button, DRAMA!
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jal90 said:
What?

Before you start calling people hypocrites (really...) or being annoyed because apparently one could never feel sorry for Hitler no matter the situation or the focus, try to understand how immediate and visceral emotional responses usually are. There's no point at rationalizing them and they are not incompatible. Because the fact I cried at this episode doesn't mean that I stopped hating Housen for what he did and represented.


So your argument is there is a scenario where you as a human being could feel sorry for Adolf Hitler?

Kind of, though there's a key difference here. Hitler is not a fictional character. Fictional characters hold other standards and it's much easier to relativize things with them.

I can't imagine a case scenario where I could feel sorry for Hitler precisely because the guy represents an image of evil and moral abhorrence I detest, so it's difficult to even think about it. However it could happen that the narration of a tragedy in his life moved me to tears. And I wouldn't become an apologist for that reason alone. I wouldn't stop hating the guy and being disgusted at his crimes. But I would feel something for that specific instance.

The point still stands, Isterio, because I didn't deny it. Housen's actions were not justified then and they are not justified now, they just have an emotional background now, something people can feel for, as well (not instead) as being horrified at his acts. I think there is a huge difference between redeeming a character and making the character relatable for a while or a little instance; one does not correlate with the other.

People don't ignore prior events, damn. People get sucked into current events, which makes sense when you follow a linear narration in a fictional story. But that doesn't mean that they justify crimes in retrospect. And what the hell is with your comment about "getting drowned in the sad music and atmosphere"? What point do you want to prove with that? If you have never done that then I'll outright call you a liar. It's pointless to blame people for crying through mechanisms designed to make them cry.
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People don't ignore prior events, damn. People get sucked into current events, which makes sense when you follow a linear narration in a fictional story. But that doesn't mean that they justify crimes in retrospect. And what the hell is with your comment about "getting drowned in the sad music and atmosphere"? What point do you want to prove with that? If you have never done that then I'll outright call you a liar. It's pointless to blame people for crying through mechanisms designed to make them cry.


My argument here is not that people inherently forgett about Housens deeds permanently but temporarily. The relation to an overall portrayed evil character becomes only possible because for a short period of time his backstory get´s blended out and people get immersed in sad music and slim lighting. And no I do not claim to never been tricked into feeling sad in a situation that wasn´t sad at all. But I

Similar to how you can put guiles theme over everything and it will look badass:


Gintama did the same what Naruto did during the Sakura vs Ino fight and in both cases it´s nothing more but a cheap trick, and no I didn´t fall for it in both cases.
There is literally no reason to play sadness and sorrow in this instance still they do it
https://youtu.be/Fz38cv1nX1Y?t=24m52s
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Although I do agree that the melodrama was overdone towards the last episodes, I seriously enjoyed this arc, mainly because of 2 or 3 of its episodes that made it so entertaining.
Jun 27, 2015 4:51 PM

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I was hoping that Kamui would die along with Housen.
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Absolute amazing episode. So with the next episode this arc will end. I think for me personally it was the best arc so far. A lot of action and fights and this with the jokes and alles the other things of Gintama = perfect :)

I'm curious what we will see in the future. Kamui definitely wants to fight against Gin after what he saw in the fight against Housen. Gin absolute fantastic, this fight was awesome.

And it's true, Gintama at first can make you feel happy and after a few seconds it's sad. At the end you might think Housen isn't such a bad guy.

Aug 19, 2015 7:56 AM

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The best arc so far, epic fight and as usual a beautiful ending. Sad moment with the death of Housen, ok this guy is a bastard but that moment is touching.
Sep 26, 2015 1:36 AM
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The intro was hilarious! This episode almost broke me tbh, Housen was a goddamn douchebag but damn.... that last scene was really touching.
Oct 25, 2015 8:24 AM
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The four minutes of wasting time was awesome. Then the battle was awesome. Gintoki was awesome. Then Housen's monologue was awesome. This arc is awesome!

6/5
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I was hoping that Kamui would die along with Housen.
in your dreams, lol.
Housen is a piece of s**t and Kamui is one of the coolest characters ever.
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I don't understand all the hate this arc has been getting, it really had me on the edge of my seat and at full attention.
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