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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- The end. Whoa, it's been a ride. 7 different arc, 7 different styles - now that's skill. On SBR, I really like the ending, particularly with how Dio was dealt. Not, defeated by the designated hero, but by a random girl that he looks down upon. Really befitting end for him and of course, nice closure for the protagonist himself. |
| It sure looks like Lucy took the corpse for herself somehow. Interesting that he just left it like that though. |
TheTsunami said: Hmm? What no, the corpse is being left as is in the bunker. It sure looks like Lucy took the corpse for herself somehow. Interesting that he just left it like that though. Unless you're going for the Harry Potter/Elder Wand angle, though personally, I don't buy it. |
Nilvius said: And of course not counting the 8th which is already getting pretty good.Whoa, it's been a ride. 7 different arc, 7 different styles - now that's skill. Anyway, yeah, loved the ending. Bringing the whole Never Shall The Selves Meet thing was a great idea. |
| It was a very good arc. Even the most powerful stands weren't that strong, except for Za Warudo, D4C and Act 4. But I like how this time Araki didn't have to come up with something out of nowhere to kill the ultra strong stand he gave to the main villain. To be fair, he did that in part 6, but not like this. The battles were as awesome as always and the plot was the best until now, IMO. Unlike most mangaka, Araki keeps getting better. In the end, nobody got the napkin. I thought Johnny would end up with Lucy, since she's this universe's Erina Pendleton. But well, it's AU. A shame Gyro died. He was the best character in part 7 and is one of the best JoJo protagonists, IMO, together with Joseph and Jolyne. I still want to see a Zeppeli alive in the end of a JoJo arc. The ending was nice too. I'll miss SBR. |
| So this is it. It's over. There's so much going through my head now, I don't quite know what to say. That was the first Jojo I had to wait for releases. This was a pain sometimes but definitely worth the time. SBR was probably my favourite part so far. After 4 parts with Stands portrayed in more or less the same way, I was getting a bit tired of it. Part 7 brought the needed fresh air to the stand concept. The battles were quirky and entertaining as ever and we had some really cool characters. Gyro and Johnny were a cool "couple", Dio is always badass (and seeing The World again was totally awesome) and personally I really liked the President. Also the plot was surprisingly engaging and full of twists. I have to say that plot hasn't been the greatest strength of the Jojo series. Especially parts 3-5 were more or less "battle driven" with the concept basically just being "one stand user is defeated, another one shows up". This was still fun to read, mind you. Kinda had this road trip feeling (especially parts 3 and 5). Part 6 made an effort to combine this all into an overall story. But with that pretty much resolved I expected part 7 to go back to the old way and was pleasently surprised. I also like to commend the horse racing scenes, especially in the beginning. Those were really well written/drawn and were exciting to read. This sense of a race, of rushing to the goal was well conveyed. I didn't think this would be possible in manga. As for this final chapter, it was a good ending. Pretty much everything was wrapped up. Lucy turned out to be a badass in her own way. Also as someone else had said, I kinda felt like she did something with the corpse, too. Who knows. All in all it was a really great read. Now I can finally start reading Jojolion. I've been looking forward to that for a year. |
| And so it concludes. The years I spent following this series really paid off. Some characters could have been better used, as Pocoloco and Sandman, but the author managed to explore the great characters that had. The battles were really good and entertaining. I liked how he portrayed the desperation of the villains to win, always looking for a way to overcome the enemy. I sympathized a lot with Valentine and Dio in the end. m4rc0 said: In the end, nobody got the napkin. I thought Johnny would end up with Lucy, since she's this universe's Erina Pendleton. But well, it's AU. For me, it was Hot Pants. The fact that she used a nickname, like Johnny and Gyro, did make me believe that her real name was Erina. |
| When the manga shows her past, it says Lucy's real name is Erina. And well, having read Jojolion, the part in the boat seems very well planned. |
m4rc0 said: And well, having read Jojolion, the part in the boat seems very well planned. |
m4rc0 said: When the manga shows her past, it says Lucy's real name is Erina. And well, having read Jojolion, the part in the boat seems very well planned. Oh yeah, I totally forgot this. And with covers such as this of MAL, really implied something between the two. But the romance with Mr.Steel from the beginning looked pretty solid. Hot Pants could be Suzie Q, at least. |
Pedro_ said: Hot Pants could be Suzie Q, at least. Sorry, JoJolion has already shot that idea down. |
| I have a question. I can't remember what Dio's motivation for the race was. Didn't he just want to get rich or something? Why did Valentine prefer Dio to have the corpse rather than Johnny? |
TiamatNM said: I have a question. I can't remember what Dio's motivation for the race was. Didn't he just want to get rich or something? Why did Valentine prefer Dio to have the corpse rather than Johnny? Climbing to the top of society and getting acknowledged, much like the original Dio wanted in Part 1. Johnny had no particular goal or reason to fight for the corpse aside from getting able to walk again. So Valentine decided that Diego with his ambitions is more suited for possessing such powerful relic than Johnny. |
Pedro_ said: But the romance with Mr.Steel from the beginning looked pretty solid. Hot Pants could be Suzie Q, at least. Thing is, the manga also shows that Steel treated her more like a daughter. I remember him saying stuff like setting her free when she found love and stuff like that. With all that, I couldn't help thinking those two would end up together. And you know what, it could've been possible. JoJolion spoilers Suzie Q would be Joseph's wife, so her counterpart wouldn't exist yet. What I noticed right now is that we have no Speedwagon in SBR. That's a shame. |
Nilvius said: TheTsunami said: Hmm? What no, the corpse is being left as is in the bunker. It sure looks like Lucy took the corpse for herself somehow. Interesting that he just left it like that though. Unless you're going for the Harry Potter/Elder Wand angle, though personally, I don't buy it. No, it just seemed suspicious the way she pauses after he announces his conclusion that the corpse has locked away in the bunker. She looks down at her hand, pauses for a moment, then gives an exaggerated "Yes, it was locked. The corpse has been stored deep within the earth." If she didn't take it or do something with it, then this was a "bizarre" way to conclude that scene. |
TheTsunami said: That's the point. No, it just seemed suspicious the way she pauses after he announces his conclusion that the corpse has locked away in the bunker. She looks down at her hand, pauses for a moment, then gives an exaggerated "Yes, it was locked. The corpse has been stored deep within the earth." If she didn't take it or do something with it, then this was a "bizarre" way to conclude that scene. She was trying to bait him into thinking otherwise in order to get him into coming in contact with Dino!Dio's head. Which she was holding. |
Nilvius said: TheTsunami said: That's the point. No, it just seemed suspicious the way she pauses after he announces his conclusion that the corpse has locked away in the bunker. She looks down at her hand, pauses for a moment, then gives an exaggerated "Yes, it was locked. The corpse has been stored deep within the earth." If she didn't take it or do something with it, then this was a "bizarre" way to conclude that scene. She was trying to bait him into thinking otherwise in order to get him into coming in contact with Dino!Dio's head. Which she was holding. I am referring to page 32-33, which occurs after Dio has been defeated. |
 "later dies of a cold" RIP Gyro |
| "Hell may be a lonely place for you for a while, but I'm going to liven it up for you soon enough, Makimura." - Ryo Saeba |
Distained said: "later dies of a cold" RIP Gyro And This is what pisses me off ...liek WTF ARAKI O__o Loved the warm ending ♥ I am planning to read Jojolion |
m4rc0 said: What I noticed right now is that we have no Speedwagon in SBR. That's a shame. but Speedwagon was obviously Mountain Tim...? I also was under the impression Steel was going to let Lucy go and she'd get with Johnny after saving her twice... But nonetheless I'm satisfied with the ending. I'm looking forward to JoJolionow |
| Whaaaa. It was a great read. Its sad that Gyro has to die but I am not really that sad since I have been spoiled about it but yeah it still suck. The World is really overpowered. In the end Dio is defeated by a girl who is way weaker than him but power is not everything. Its funny how in the end Pocoloco really win the race. I bet other people beside me would expect that it won't go as the prediction said. The kid Gyro tried to free from death sentence was released but then he died of cold, why Araki? |
| I cried when Johnny thought again about Gyro and his long journey. I admit it. Anyway, what a masterpiece. Everything was perfect. Part 7 is a collection of all the best elements of the other parts together. Furthermore, is different in its on way. Just wow, Araki is improving in every Part. I expected Lucy to go with Johnny, but uukay. Gyro best Zeppeli, ever. (Even though he was advantaged because he was a main, compared to the other Zeppeli). Anyway, starting JoJolion right now. |
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| What a beautiful and sad bromance. Also, about Diosaurus: I think he was almost starting to look like a good guy when he fought against the president. Dio with The World not so much. |
| Great, but a little bit over stated as the universal best JoJo arc. Weak in the Stand department, aside from D4C nothing really stood out. This had one of the best final boss battles though. The sequence starting from Hot Pants and Dio vs Valentine spanning to Valentine's defeat at the hands of Johnny was simply incredible. Gyro's death was expected but still hit hard. He's probably one of Araki's best characters. SBR Dio might very well be my favorite Dio now. I enjoy the campy PB/SC world domination Dio, but SBR Dio is a more well written character, while still having the appeal of the old Dio. |
KellhusApr 19, 2014 7:47 AM
| Really really enjoyed this part. I grew up with lots of cowboy movies and spaghetti westerns so this part really called out to me in atmosphere. But talking about the actual plot, it had a whole ton of twists and turns which made it much more interesting to me going through. I love how instead of getting his stand abilities right then and there, Johnny gradually picks them up as it goes. It makes it a lot more enjoyable seeing him work with new tricks, and him and Gyro make for a real team. D4C is in my top three favorite stands after this part. Dimension hopping and paradoxes make for a really interesting character not only in abilities, but Valentine's personality made him a very complex character. His whole backstory with the napkin made me have some feels moments too. I still personally consider Part 4, to be my favorite, but SBR showed me that when Araki breaks away and tries something new, he can create a great story. |
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| Overall, I did enjoy part 7 and rated it 8/10. However, it feels a bit different from the previous Jojo manga. Not only is it longer but maybe the style. I guess having seeing so many Stands already since Stardust Crusaders made me experience something new with the concept involving the races. I wasn't too into the race tbh but rather some of the characters especially Lucy Steel. Great stuff still though. Now to read part 8! |
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| this is it the manga where everything is『ｂａｓｅｄ』 |
| That was a fantastic read. I honestly love the sense of adventure in this part with the whole entire race aspect. I also really enjoyed some of the themes this part gave us such as returning 'home', fate, miracles etc. Seems like the maturity level between this and part 6 tripled. It's interesting how World Diego was finished off. Such a simple yet terrifying way by getting fused with the decapitated head of your other self. And caused by a simple 14 year old girl as well. There's definitely some shady parts about Lucy and the corpse. Diego never actually closed the vault and was left opened before getting finished off. Not sure if it'll be relevant later on. Probably not. Does anyone remember Santana from part 2? |
| Seriously this is the best jojo part, Other parts got no shit over it. I considered Dio vs Jotaro the best jojo fight. I found 4 better fights in this part. The whole part is a refereshing experience compared the previous parts. Actual Plot, Well written characters , I found Valentine as the best villain in the jojo . Fights started a bit weak but then kept rising and rising better and better. I still like the original Dio over SBR Dio . Gyro is now one of my all time favorite characters. |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
| I'm sorry but to me this is probably the worst Jojo installment in the entire franchise. So many asspuls (especially recycling The World at the end) ,so many inconsistencies,such a small cast of main characters (out of which only Johnny and Gyro actually made a difference to the story) and the entire search for the McGuffin parts felt very tedious as time went by. Yes some of the negatives above mentioned were present in previous installments as well,but here they felt even more on full display. |
amateurJul 28, 2015 10:05 AM
amateur said: I'm sorry but to me this is probably the worst Jojo installment in the entire franchise. So many asspuls (especially recycling The World at the end) ,so many inconsistencies,such a small cast of main characters (out of which only Johnny and Gyro actually made a difference to the story). What inconsistencies? How is having a small cast an inconsistency? |
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gedata said: amateur said: I'm sorry but to me this is probably the worst Jojo installment in the entire franchise. So many asspuls (especially recycling The World at the end) ,so many inconsistencies,such a small cast of main characters (out of which only Johnny and Gyro actually made a difference to the story). What inconsistencies? How is having a small cast an inconsistency? ( , ) - Comma Have you heard about it? |
| Last month, within a relatively small amount of time I finished Part 2, 4, 5 & 6 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and barring Part 2, I wrote a rather extensive review on each part. If you've been tracking the JoJo forums, I'm sure you've seen my name stuff on there quite a few times & the point I'm getting to, is that I've read a lot of JoJo recently and yet, Steel Ball Run, has to be my favorite part of the franchise thus far. There are a lot of impressive aspects of Steel Ball Run, one of the most immediate one is just how different it is from the rest of the franchise. Each part of JoJo is distinct from one another, that has always been the case but Steel Ball Run is on a whole other level. To think that after over 700 chapters, Araki still can manage to put this fresh of a spin on an already well-established series. Of course, a lot of this has to do with it being set in an alternate universe which is great because aside from Za Warudo at the end, it means this series is capable of standing alone, pretty much preventing continuity lock-out that plagues many other long-runners. & before I even begin to get into the meat of the series, I just have to say, that Araki hits the perfect balance of respecting the previous lore & creating something just as unique. The amount of references to previous parts & characters are numerous & there's a lot of fun in seeing them, especially in how their role correlates between both universes (one of my favorite examples is how Advol is taken out relatively quickly in both universes). The wealth of homages to the original universe helps tie this series into the overall mythos without having it be restricted by the pre-established lore, kinda. The Zeppeli curse is still a thing after all. & of course, the appearance of Za Warudo was just awesome. Granted, I understand why some people wouldn't love it like I did but I think it was well incorporated within the storyline and mesh both universes together well. Speaking of the story, this is easily the strongest plot in all of JoJo's. There's hardly any filler material, there are constant twists & turns, multiple characters recur throughout to advance the story making the plot more connected & the scope bigger, and their are character arcs persistent throughout. While I understand searching for the corpse parts may get tiring for some but it gave the story a constant direction and more importantly, it was as much about getting the parts as it was about keeping them. Gyro & Johnny suffered a lot of losses during the course of the story, it wasn't consistently successes. Which made the story a lot more engaging. & we need to take time out to discuss the battles that take place within Steel Ball Run. Since Part 3 introduced Stands, we've been treated to a series of creative & strategic battles, many of which aren't able to be matched by any series. Part 7, has the greatest collection of battles in JoJo, in my opinion & that's due to the more abstract abilities on display. Back in Part 3, the two stands that got the most attention where Star Platinum & Silver Chariot. These close range battle type stands are practically non-existent in Steel Ball Run, or at least, the battles these would normally incur are. The powers in this part are as abstract & bizarre as ever, the Sugar Mountain arc contains two of the best with the Tatoo You shared between the eleven men & the Tree's stand that caused Gyro & Johnny to use everything it gave them up or else they'd become part of it. Though special mention should go to Civil War, for making them face their own sins. Of course, some are just plain awesome, like Diego's. Not only do we get some of the more unique stands but we get the power of Spin which I love. It's far more interesting than Hamon & the way they infuse it in with the Stand battles is awesome. I've already rambled on long enough so I'm going to try & make this quick but the series most integral element is the cast of characters. The reason Steel Ball Run is my favorite isn't because of it's over-arcing plot but the core component that makes it work is the relationship between Gyro & Johnny. These two both on their own are good characters but their dynamic is what makes them two of the best in the entire franchise. One of my favorite moments in the entire manga is just the two of the mocking opera glasses & opera performers weight. The manga gives them several genuine bonding moments, some are more serious than the aforementioned example but their's a good mixture of just fun buddy moments too. I believe I mentioned part 6's story & Jolyne heavy focus caused the amount of character interactions to diminish, which is why it's so brilliant that Araki gaves us to main characters for this part. You're allow a big story, a greatly developed lead & plethora of character interaction. But perhaps my favorite thing about the two's relationship, is how it function as a growth spurt for both Gyro & Johnny. While it's Johnny who initially seeks the help of Gyro, as the relationship furthers both of them end up facing their own insecurities & maturing as a result. Key examples being Johnny post-Gyro's death or Gyro during the True Man's World arc. Which, I haven't mentioned it yet but that's like my favorite arc in all of JoJo sans maybe The Grateful Dead. & that's only the main two, there's still loads of characters but I've talked way too much already so I'll just speed through it. They're all awesome. The premise of the race allowed them to plant many characters at the beginning that would play a role, minor or major, later, most notably Diego Brando & Sandman. The former, by the way, is the best Dio out there. Almost all the characters that appear for several arcs & several that just appear in one, are given backstories several of which are among the darkest of the franchise. This is always a good thing, as it allows us to get better insight on each individual character, ultimately providing perhaps my favorite all around cast. Kira is still my favorite villain in JoJo's by far and Rohan & Bruno are still may favorite supporting cast (with Polnareff up there too) but that doesn't take away from how good the whole cast of Steel Ball Run is. Hot Pants, Ringo, Lucy Steel, Funny Valentine, Wekapipo & Mountain Tim are all great characters in this part. Visually the series is the best in all of JoJo. This is the one aspect of any mangaka's work that I usually expect to improve, so it's no surprise that Araki, who seemingly improved everything for this part, also improved his artwork & sense of transition too. As for the ending, I really liked it. It didn't feel abrupt like Part 5 or Part 3's, there's good breather time & it was an emotional conclusion. I love the two page spread of Johnny remembering the events that occurred during the race (which by the way, I just love the race premise). While not in this chapter, I'm not entirely sure that I loved his father showing up at the end but it's a sweet sentiment at least. Also, I was spoiled about Marco dying, I initially thought I'd be pissed because I assumed he still got executed but nope, he got amnesty & just died of a cold later. This probably makes me a demented human being but that, is hilarious. Believe it or not, I still have a lot more to say about Steel Ball Run & could probably write another good four or five paragraphs elaborating on points I've already. But for the sake of relative brevity, I'm going to close this review out right here. Steel Ball Run joins Monster by Naoki Urasawa in the highest echelon of manga for me, with a 10/10. |
| What a ride, JoJo and the wild wild west you cant go wrong with that also people saying Gyro died for nothing as the boy died shortly after i dont think Gyro really cared about the boy himself it was more the fact that he clearly had nothing to do with the crimes he was accused of and Gyro would not be able to execute him |
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| While not commenting about the last chapter, i guess i want to give my opinion about SBR as a whole.. Being the most hyped part of JoJo's series, i do have a high expectation of this series and i can say that i really enjoy this part a lot.. that's said i think it's a little bit overrated.. The story of Part 7 is hand down the best in JJBA franchise by far.. The characters also among the best and got far more depth compare to it's predecessor, but for me the highest appeal of JJBA franchise is always the stands (about how unique they're) and the battle (which i can even go as far the manga with the best battle in all anime/manga that i've ever read/watched).. and IMO, SBR isn't that great in these department compare to it's previous parts.. Aside from D4C battle (which i consider among the best battle in JJBA franchise), basically the fights before it is not that interested compare to part 4-6 regular battles.. The interesting fight aside from the final are the first fight against diego and the ones with Ringo Roadagain.. The variety of stands also got nothing compare to part 6 for example since the stand in part 7 is pretty simple, even Sandman's ability is kinda resemble Koichi's' Echoes IMO.. The basic ability for both Gyro and Johnny isn't that great either (before the explanation about steel ball and act 3 for Johnny) The cast is pretty small considering only 2 main characters we have here, but both of them are really likable and well written especially Gyro Zepelli.. Kellhus said: Completely agree with this statement.. Diego Brando (the original ones) is hand down my favorites in SBR along with Gyro.. Can't imagine that Diego who's got nothing with Original Dio in term of popularity is actually a more interesting ones compare to the original Dio.. Aside from that, we also got a bunch of fanservice considering there's a lot of people who's actually this timeline incarnation of original characters..SBR Dio might very well be my favorite Dio now. I enjoy the campy PB/SC world domination Dio, but SBR Dio is a more well written character, while still having the appeal of the old Dio. All in all, SBR is still one of the best manga that i've ever read to date.. I like the conclusion of the final battle (vs alternate Dio).. it's highly resemble on how Araki's done with Pucci but without any Plot/Character Induced Stupidity and make much more sense to how Dio being defeated.. 10/10 So, with the closure of Part 7.. i guess for me the standing of JoJo's part IMO would be like : Part 4=Part 6>/=Part 7>>>Part 3>/=Part 5>Part 2>Part 1.. Off to read Jojolion now.. |
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| So was the name of the saint's corpse ever revealed or is that just not important? |
Shigure said: So was the name of the saint's corpse ever revealed or is that just not important? i think we can assume it was Jesus with the crown of thorns, scars and crucifixion wounds |
StefanHereFeb 16, 2016 2:13 AM
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| Johnny's nyo hoho <3 That was a beautiful ending imo. I really liked Lucy & it was nice to see her finishing Dio off. I wonder how she came up with that but bravo. The flashbacks & then the scene on the boat were phenomenal, I almost forgot I'm still upset at Gyro's death. did that boy really die of a cold though.... What a ride, this part was perfect. I loved the setting & characters from the start, I was a bit worried about the fights since I didn't really like them in part 6 but they deffo got better here. I don't recall a boring one & A Man's World is my favorite JoJo fight ever (or at least it's up there). Gyro best Zeppeli, Gyro/Johnny best pair... It's great for so many reasons. 10/10 Now onto part 8.. I wish I hadn't caught up that quickly. :( |
babymimiFeb 25, 2016 6:41 PM
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| It was a beautiful ending indeed, to a beautiful part as well, part 7 is easily my favorite in JoJo, the characters, the abilities, Diego freaking Brando, and the themes were all amazing, and I still can't get over Gyro's death. |
| This is my favorite part, Araki is good with making amazing characters but this one especially he was good with, every single character had personality and President Valentine is a much better villain than Dio ever was imo (and Diego). And all the deaths in this hit me the most, too many hit me in the feels. |
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| What a superb journey. Cannot wait to see it animated! |
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| Probably my second favorite part after Diamond is Unbreakable. The last third of this series was absolutely phenomenal! It got amazing when we find out about Valentine's stand. And I did not expect Dio/The World returning in this part. Gyro and Johnny were amazing characters too :D 5/5 |
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| And it ended. What a ride, I must say. It started quite slow, and frankly i was losing interest little by little, but then it started to get better and better. The whole chapters with D4C and the new Dio were fantastic and i just couldn't stop reading. I feel bad for Gyro and for some reason I laughed at the fate of the kid he was trying to save. Wanted to see some small reunion with Johnny and his father, considering the latter actually went to see him, but I can live without that. Fantastic part, i might even reread it someday in the future |
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| Re-read this part and it's truly the best part ever, a masterpiece, didn't like it that much at first read. Definitely made the good choice by reading it a second time |
| The one thing I don't understand about this part is why did Funny betray and try to shoot Johnny during their deal? It felt like a Win-Win situation, if only he hadn't tried to kill him, Johnny would have saved Funny, Funny would bring Gyro from the other world and then Johnny would definitely let Funny have the corpse parts. Funny's actions and explanations seemed to be reasonable up to that point and if only he hadn't betrayed Johnny he would definitely be accepted as a good president and there would be no reason for them to fight at all. I guess the best explanation is that Funny thought Johnny would end up betraying him anyway, so he thought that trying to kill him with the pistol was his last chance to survive while he still had the chance to do so. I couldn't even feel bad for Gyro when he died considering how much character development was being given to Funny. It makes me wonder if there even was a villain in this part. I found myself cheering up for Funny and Dio almost all the time because they were really good characters, maybe except in the very ending when Dio said he would rape and kill Lucy, that made me dislike him. But then I don't know why Lucy even went there only to kill Dio. She didn't have any reason to do so, I doubt Dio would even care about her and her husband if she hadn't appeared there. |
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