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Jun 21, 2022 5:34 PM
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Most MC of harem anime are pretty wimpy and pathetic but this guy just takes the cake. Far too effeminate.

The tomboy character is a standard trope but I think the role reversal is too much.

He also has no redeeming qualities.
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Jun 21, 2022 5:44 PM
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Izumi is probably the problem for a lot of people, I honestly just find his bad luck as a bad joke and an unfunny one, good thing they are showing it less in the recent episodes unlike at the beggining.

I don't think he doesn't have redeeming qualities, aside from his bad luck he isn't that different from a normal protagonist that has to be protected by girl(s), I know saying "he is a nice person" isn't much but at least you can see him trying his best to do stuff on his own despite his bad luck and tries to make Shikimori happy too, at least he isn't an annoying perv that just want to touch breasts or something.
Jun 21, 2022 5:47 PM
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Most MC of harem anime are pretty wimpy and pathetic but this guy just takes the cake. Far too effeminate.

The tomboy character is a standard trope but I think the role reversal is too much.

He also has no redeeming qualities.

people should just drop it if they can't stand him ๐Ÿ˜‚

and he does have redeeming qualities
Jun 21, 2022 5:54 PM
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If you think Izumi ruins the anime, then drop the anime. Noone is forcing you to watch it.

Jun 21, 2022 5:57 PM
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Only problem I got with him is the unfunny bad luck he has.
Jun 21, 2022 5:59 PM
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This anime is just a waifu bait if you don't like shikimori or are not interested in then this anime will feel wrong to you. You just have to look at it from a shikimori point of view, if you do that then it won't be a problem for you to see izumi like a 2 year old baby.

This anime is very weird
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Jun 21, 2022 6:03 PM
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the mc isnt great but hes not all to blame. the show is just bland, whether its the main/side characters, premise or plot- shikimori as a show just doesn't have much to offer
Jun 21, 2022 6:39 PM
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this isn’t a harem btw just a romance. also definitely not for everyone
Jun 21, 2022 6:56 PM
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non non the problem is kamiya
Jun 21, 2022 6:57 PM
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(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season
Jun 21, 2022 7:02 PM
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I completely disagree, he's nothing like a trope "harem" MC, he has a real relationship, and openly where's his emotions on his sleeve.
Izumi is unlucky, he literally ends up getting hurt because of this, he trips, he falls, he loses things, but he endeavours to be kind and helpful.
he isn't unlucky as in "lucky lecher" syndrome but he's clumsy to the point it's dangerous.
I don't understand how anyone who's even read the symptoms doesn't understand this.
Jun 21, 2022 7:05 PM

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Yeah, I probably would've somewhat enjoyed this anime if it wasn't for MC
Jun 21, 2022 7:58 PM
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Izumi is probably the problem for a lot of people, I honestly just find his bad luck as a bad joke and an unfunny one, good thing they are showing it less in the recent episodes unlike at the beggining.

I don't think he doesn't have redeeming qualities, aside from his bad luck he isn't that different from a normal protagonist that has to be protected by girl(s), I know saying "he is a nice person" isn't much but at least you can see him trying his best to do stuff on his own despite his bad luck and tries to make Shikimori happy too, at least he isn't an annoying perv that just want to touch breasts or something.

Yep yep.

Nothing wrong with him. They I beleive they went overboard with the misfortune for his character. He's a sweetie but I don't like how his character's defining point is the stupid bad luck. Jeez. It's so extra.

Puts me off personally.
Jun 21, 2022 8:05 PM
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I like the role reversal. The concept of it is refreshing. Like come on aren't people bored with female characters looking like busty, incompetent, airheaded sex dolls ?

Enough with that BS depiction of female leads/characters in general. I'm going off the point but jeez write a better story if you want views.

The show is cringe at times. But I don't think there's so much reason to hate. Know what I mean?
Jun 21, 2022 8:08 PM
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Actually to some extent all these characters were lowkey written quite poorly. No hate. Not impressed either but ima still see it through cause why not.

It is a shame tho.
Jun 21, 2022 8:10 PM
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Yh Izumi is 70% of the problem
the plot 20%
the side characters 10%
Izumi just has nothing going for him to be a protagonist, no goals to drive the plot forward no drive , he is more suited as a side character,
The side characters are now forced to carry the show and they aren't great except that bakugo kid and Kamiya
The plot is below mediocre even for SOL
If anything the last episode was the best since Izumi had little to no screen time

"that bakugo kid" ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Yeah we all thought it lol I'm just pleased I got to see someone say it ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ nice nice thank you
It's so bad it's almost funny
Jun 21, 2022 8:12 PM

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MC is fine, it's the bad luck that's annoying, I'm here for a chill wholesome anime, but this feels like a thriller sometimes.
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Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

Yeah that's definitely your fault for thinking others will have the same taste as yours.
Jun 21, 2022 8:25 PM
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EdgyLord666 said:
MC is fine, it's the bad luck that's annoying, I'm here for a chill wholesome anime, but this feels like a thriller sometimes.
shash_king18 said:
(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

Yeah that's definitely your fault for thinking others will have the same taste as yours.

Pardon, pal
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Jun 21, 2022 8:47 PM

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THE WHOLE CAST IS DEPLORABLE.
Jun 21, 2022 9:12 PM
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shash_king18 said:
(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

Never trust the anime community whether they say it's a “masterpiece” or “best” or “worst anime of all time”. That anime will not be like the community say... So lesson learned to never trust them to whether how good or bad this anime is...
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Jun 21, 2022 9:43 PM
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Nah the events and the way they play out are the problem
Especially in the start, everything was set up to make shikimori look cute and cool, but without giving the audience a reason to be interested in her
And tbh the problem is shikimori for me, she's practically a very jealous mary sue
Jun 21, 2022 10:05 PM
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i like his best friend more lol, but izumi is ok i guess, the story is boring tho, still watching it coz it's tolerable, shikimori is a cutie after all
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Jun 21, 2022 10:16 PM
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its already at 9 ep yet you're still complaining just drop the show man.... nobody is forcing you to watch something you don't like
Jun 21, 2022 10:21 PM
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Sifu_Hotman_ said:
Imo he’s definitely holding the anime back. I really like the idea of a feminine male character with a cool female character in a romance, but the bad luck aspect really makes izumi look like a man child. If the bad luck aspect wasn’t in this show it would be better.

the story has progressed... the element of his bad luck isn't shown now like it was used in the first 2-3 ep(I found it annoying too) he has a habit of getting involved into troublesome situations let's keep it at that I really like how the story is going and not the cliches from first few ep are repeating and they are trying to give us something new I found this anime to be above average
Jun 21, 2022 10:42 PM
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To me, MC would be the problem if the story had at least something worth watching. But currently, he is just one of many flaws of this snooze fest
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Jun 21, 2022 10:43 PM
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he's not the problem. there's no problem at all rather.
Jun 21, 2022 10:55 PM
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I see nothing wrong with the anime at all. IMO the fact you made this says you’re arch anime for a pretty lame reason
Jun 22, 2022 12:04 AM
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shash_king18 said:
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Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

Never trust the anime community whether they say it's a “masterpiece” or “best” or “worst anime of all time”. That anime will not be like the community say... So lesson learned to never trust them to whether how good or bad this anime is...

Well it hasn't happened with me before this case, so yeah I learnt this lesson hard way
Jun 22, 2022 12:34 AM
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imizumi is just giga chad
Jun 22, 2022 1:05 AM
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I think he’s fine, I always got kinda reversed shoujo vibes from the show, and as a huge shoujo fan, I love that!!
Jun 22, 2022 1:17 AM

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the mc is the problem, i feel like the show would be even a tiny bit better if it wasn't because of his character

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Jun 22, 2022 1:29 AM

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He's pretty much the main problem, but the show itself is just weak.
Jun 22, 2022 3:10 AM
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The show as a whole was weak and the super fans who can’t let anyone say anything critical of shikimori haven’t helped.

Izumi is by far the worst part of the show. His writing is just a lazy vehicle to get to that stupid fucking shikimori face. The “the rest of the show looks like ass so we can blow out budgetary load on this one face”. There’s bad luck and then there’s just stupid plot devices in a grounded show. The whole bad luck thing is way overdone and stopped being funny after the first episode.

Also the show was hyped to the moon and I’m not sure why suddenly everyone acts like that never happened.
Jun 22, 2022 4:47 AM
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Yes, Izumi is the reason the show isn’t better. I know that the concept of the how is that the girlfriend is more like the dominant one in their relationship playing the role of the male. Still Izumi’s bad luck and overall pussy nature is frustrating, he is like a harem protagonist but worse
Jun 22, 2022 6:56 AM

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yeah for me the problem is izumi ngl. last episode was only watchable because he got no screentime

"๐˜๐˜ฆ๐˜บ, ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ช... ๐˜•๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ."
โป๐˜•๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข ๐˜–๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ช
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The show as a whole was weak and the super fans who can’t let anyone say anything critical of shikimori haven’t helped.

Izumi is by far the worst part of the show. His writing is just a lazy vehicle to get to that stupid fucking shikimori face. The “the rest of the show looks like ass so we can blow out budgetary load on this one face”. There’s bad luck and then there’s just stupid plot devices in a grounded show. The whole bad luck thing is way overdone and stopped being funny after the first episode.

Also the show was hyped to the moon and I’m not sure why suddenly everyone acts like that never happened.

literally! everything you said here I agree with.

"๐˜๐˜ฆ๐˜บ, ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ช... ๐˜•๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ."
โป๐˜•๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข ๐˜–๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ช
Jun 22, 2022 7:53 AM
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Please refer to the previous million of threads referring to the exact same thing.

He’s not too effeminate, he’s just a nice dude and not a loser. But even then, dude has game. So I don’t really see the problem.

At the end of the day, I can enjoy the anime without really caring whether the character is wimpy or not. I’m not trying to analyze every single frame.

If you hate it, drop it. There is simply not really a reason to discuss it because it’s all about preference.
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Jun 22, 2022 8:19 AM

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Is the role reversal too much? not really.
Problem? probably the audience. Me or you.
If there's such a thing as a negative perspective, there should also be a positive one and your question is the former. It is important how you see it more than what others see from it.

If you enjoy it, then continue.
If you dislike it, then discontinue.

Just as the others already said, he isn't effeminate.
I've seen a lot of posts of him being a femboy, but I don't think he is. Being kind and humble is him, especially being considerate towards others. If you cannot even recognize those things from the character, then pretty much, the audience is the problem and not the story.
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It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
Jun 22, 2022 9:05 AM

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He was for the first few episodes when they were over-using the bad luck gag. Its stabilised now into a somewhat enjoyable fluff, courtesy of Izumi's parents.




Jun 22, 2022 9:24 AM

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He is pretty cringey, but no. The story is completely based on a relationship that I've been given no reason to care about.
Jun 22, 2022 9:28 AM
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not really, I think people just lack basic media literacy so they displace their frustrations over the whole show onto him. But I just think it's a pretty lame, mediocre example of its genre, and Izumi is just a lightning rod for criticism because his gimmick is particularly annoying.
I'm sure the back half of the series is improved, but I cannot emphasize enough how crucial the opening stretch is for a romcom in establishing the characters and dynamics, and investing you in them. I don't think there's anything in the first five or so episodes to emotionally invest the audience in these characters, and that's a massive fail.
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He could’ve been a great side character i think
Jun 22, 2022 10:12 AM
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Yes he's one of the problems. But we shouldn't pretend that the show is any good to begin with. Even without him the show is still average. There's little to no plot. Basically Kamiya arc is the only decent stuff. After that the show just going around with 0 purpose. Shikomori is a bad character as well for me personally. The comedy is bad as well. The side cast got nothing other than being nice and boring. Sometimes the cringe lvl skyrocketed to the max.
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Izumi is definately the weak point of this anime for sure
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If you think Izumi ruins the anime, then drop the anime. Noone is forcing you to watch it.


no bro, you should watch before you dropped. i just dropped shikkimori in episode 3 and i dont watch it anymore because the cringe. how can you drop before you watching it? lol.
Jun 22, 2022 10:41 PM
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Izumi being wimpy is only half the problem. For me, the show just doesn't have any oomph. The fact that I find Kamiya to be the most interesting character is crazy.

That being said, a thread like this has been created on a weekly basis for the last 2 months. Did we really need another one? It always devolves into a war between those who hyped it up (it really isn't that good) and those who say it's the worst thing ever (it's not).
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JackRyder said:
Most MC of harem anime are pretty wimpy and pathetic but this guy just takes the cake. Far too effeminate.

The tomboy character is a standard trope but I think the role reversal is too much.

He also has no redeeming qualities.

I mean… it’s not a harem anime so it’s a bad comparison, and if you’re that attached to outdated gender roles that seems like a you problem
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I wonder how people feel about Gojo from MDUD or Horimiya in general based on this and other threads since the tired bullshit can be easily ported to Gojo and Horimiya.
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I wonder how people feel about Gojo from MDUD or Horimiya in general based on this and other threads since the tired bullshit can be
doomrider7 said:
I wonder how people feel about Gojo from MDUD or Horimiya in general based on this and other threads since the tired bullshit can be easily ported to Gojo and Horimiya.
easily ported to Gojo and Horimiya.

Back to starting comparisons with other anime, fools never learn.
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maybe drop the fucking show then.
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