Renai Flops Episode 6 Discussion

spaggett said:
Not to mention the illogical thought process of the MC. It makes zero sense that he would decline sexual intercourse with a 10/10 model that says she's in love with him, simply because he thinks she isn't and would regret it, DESPITE the fact that she is literally telling him that she wouldn't.

FutureMeat said:


Maybe because he's considerate enough to stop someone from making a potentially harmful decision? He's was simply acting as the voice of reason.

(Plus in episode 2, Asahi's "dad" said to not sleep with any of the girls until he chose a wife, so there was a restriction against this already)

spaggett said:


I guess I don't understand how he came to the conclusion that it would be harmful. For one, the sex would be consensual. Second, by his own logic, you should only sleep with someone you love, and it doesn't make sense why he would think he knows whether she is in love with him better than she herself knows AND states. You say he acts as the voice of reason, yet the things he says go against everything we know about life in general (according to evolution). Humans and all complex forms of life have the natural desire to propagate their genes, and therefor engage in sexual intercourse (even if it's not for reproductive purposes). The more likely one's brain deems a member of the opposite sex's genes to pass along through time, the stronger the urge to reproduce, or simply engage in sexual acts, is. Unless there is something wrong with the MC's brain, it is unthinkable that he would calculate Karin as an unsuitable mate. She is literally a MODEL (or in a more evolutionary manner of thinking, a highly suitable mate whose genes are near guaranteed to propagate through time, and therefore extremely attractive to the opposite sex). Mere "rules" (mind you, these rules he is subjected to are not even enforceable by law) are simply in no way enough to overcome natural desire that has dictated evolution for hundreds of millions of years, unless breaking said rules were consciously associated with, by the one subjected to them, a negative and probable enough punishment which would overcome these natural urges. A simple "don't do that" and no stated punishment for not abiding these orders would not be enough to avert the MC from fulfilling his natural and most built-in desires, which have existed in life forms before trees even existed on Earth. Although my argument is possibly inaccurate, as I'm not an expert.

FutureMeat said:


So basically anyone who wants to wait for marriage is illogical? Normal people don't calculate the perfect conditions for a suitible mate, everyone has their own personal morals

RedChrome said:
Whoever made this random shitty abomination must be braindead

spaggett said:


There are subconscious mechanisms built into you that calculate how attractive someone is, many qualities are considered, but primarily is physical attractiveness - in fact it is a prerequisite before anything else is considered. In some sense, you are right, people don't calculate others' attractiveness, their brains do. You know this as well as I do. You can rank women, 3D or 2D, in terms of physical attractiveness pretty much instantly after gazing upon them. But can you really explain why? Well, we use science to extract truth about which qualities are deemed attractive and which ones are not. Regardless, this ancient calculator is built into all of us. We don't even need science to know what is attractive and what is not, it's an innate ability. As for people who want to for marriage, in general people who do this are religious, and it's understandable why they wait. Even still, they likely have the urge to have sex even before marriage (or else why would they be together?). I hope you can see why it is completely absurd that the MC, in this particular case, would decline the opportunity to engage in sexual activity with a woman that is as stunningly beautiful as Karin.

To elaborate further as to why it's absurd, I think of it from a motivation perspective. When your brain calculates whether you should do something or not, it considers reasons why you should and reasons why you shouldn't. When your desire to do something overcomes your desire not to do it, you will do it. So we should consider the reasons why he should accept Karin's advances, and reasons why he wouldn't. For the reasons why he should, well I think it's rather obvious, but to recap, the MC, by his own admission, stated that she is attractive (meaning his brain determined she has suitable genetic material), and consequently the urge to engage in sexual acts would have to be present. This is a very strong urge, and the reasons to overcome this must be overwhelming, but it is possible. So let's investigate reasons that may inhibit his motivation to do such beautiful and natural acts. Well, overall there are many, but in his particular case, there seems to be really nothing, or at least nothing substantial. He states the reason is that he thinks she does not love him and sex should only be done between people who love each other. This is preposterous, as she exclaims that she in fact does love him. Another reason, as you stated, was he was told he was not allowed. I think I've made it clear in my previous response why this isn't remotely enough to hold him back. There is no conceivable nor probable punishment associated with disobedience with regard to this unearthly command. They are in a room alone, so it would be irrational to assume that anyone would even find out. Even if someone did find out, what punishment was he threatened with? Literally nothing. This certainly is in no way enough to avert the MC from his primal desire to propagate his genes, or simply engage in an act as pleasurable as the one literally being spoon-fed to him on a solid gold plate. I think you are right about it possibly being against his morals, though. I hope you can understand my confusion, and I think you make some good points. Feel free to criticize my own thinking, as well.

Asahi's point is that what Karin was feeling was lust and not love, since they hadn't *really* gotten to know each other well enough by that point. Asahi also believes that sex is only worthwhile if its with someone you truly love, not just with someone who's attractive