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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Damn, watching Teppei's pain was actually tough. How the tables turned around with Satoko standing tall... I love the mind games this episode though, with Satoko's own mental challenges. Highlight of the episode is showing her vulnerability and inner demons. What a bloody ending! |
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| LET THE MIND GAMES BEGIN... While Ooishi is doing his thing of dumping rubbish outside the Hojo residence, Keiichi and the others are protesting in front of the Child Welfare Services center as usual to help Satoko from Teppei's harm, while Ooishi and assistant Kuma looks onward. Combine the repeat of the events of the 2nd half (Parts 3 to 5) of Tataridamashi-hen in Gou, and it gets everyone involved, even Chief Kimiyoshi, Mayor of Hinamizawa, only now in more detail since Ooishi knows the entire picture. The difference now is that while the similarlties look like the entire Hinamizawa village is out to get Teppei and Satoko, the fact is otherwise as such that's cleared from the Hojo's POV. Teppei's free from this entire ruse, but he does not know that Ooishi is under the influence of H173, even after Ooishi foresahdowing Oyashiro-sama and giving them a warning during the Watanagashi Festival. As usual, Satoko drugs Teppei, only now in severe overdose to make sure that his tracks are covered, and awaitng the moment where Satoko can reunite with Rika. Satoko looks like she's about to shoot Teppei, but the Fragment cracks only lead to her desired future in shatters, fighting between the dual personality of her true and her Oyashiro-sama influenced being. So this is where the Sotsu (Karma) name comes from: the TRUE Satoko's attempts to change the future to suit her to Rika, this time REALLY hitting the limits of what she can do. And Eua can do nothing but laugh haplessly at what she's done, she's just an observer to awaiting Satoko's Karma being served. This is A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL than Tataridamashi-hen, now we're diving into a different timeline with Oyashiro-sama's version of Satoko. HOLY SHIT, WHAT AN EPISODE. Ryukishi07 has done it again...might as well call this episode Higurashi: Unlimited Blood Works. |
KANLen09Aug 26, 2021 9:23 AM
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| The impostor are Ooishi-san, it really surprised me. Yesterday's episode was unpredictable, I mean I think Teppei will be injected with H173, However Satoko did it to Ooishi-san. This is just a misunderstanding and it was masterminded by the best actress Satoko. Hugging with Teppei is a good moment because Teppei used to torture Satoko, commit violence, and others. Ooishi-san do you have a problem with a trash bag, huh? A village meeting meeting with Rika and Keiichi as main aides to convince the village head. Looks like Ooishi-san is present even though Ooishi-san isn't a villager, maybe? Is that authority as a policeman? Keiichi was angry during the meeting while Ooishi-san who was present at the meeting already had Hinamizawa syndrome, was Keiichi not aware that his anger was being provoked by someone... Keiichi and friends are struggling to save Satoko, while Satoko is cooking in the kitchen. Is this called enemy under the covers? Best Heroine and villain Satoko. Even the council has come to Satoko's house but Satoko's acting is really cool, she doesn't laugh after seeing her friends trying to save her. This is not really important but I want to ask something, People with Hinamizawa syndrome always scratch their necks but, do they always do it in the same amount in every timeline? For example in this timeline, Ooishi-san scratched his neck 10x (This is just an example) whether in the other timeline did the number increase or? Hhhhmmm... Sleeping pills and light in those eyes, Ooishi-san has made a move, only a few executions are left for this timeline. Is this timeline distorted, there are some oddities, whether Satoko fragments can interfere in this timeline. Surprised when Satoko waant to shoot Teppei. Satoko-chan have 2 identity? Was she torn by two hearts, malicious and good intentions, In the end All had moved on, Eua seemed tired of just being a spectator. What is clear is that the Satoko witch is really scary, even the Satoko witch shot Teppei. Woahhh This surprised me, the storyline is unpredictable Even Satoko hit Teppei's head with a baseball bat, An amazing bloody episode.  |
| My poor little heart, Teppei.... Really awesome episode, for sure the very best from Sotsu so far, and about time for Satoko to start getting her share of karmic suffering haha Also, basically confirmed my suppositions from last week (but then again, sorta influenced by some of the leaked images, too bad). No time to text dump right now, I'll enter in more detail later. Been a while, since the last time I gave a solid 5/5 for a Newgurashi episode (since ep23 of Gou). |
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| An OK episode. I guess this is their way of redeeming Satoko; make it the witch's fault that she did all those horrible things! I don't hate it, but feels pretty generic and I hope there are more twists than that. |
| I didn't expect a good vs evil Satoko battle with the good entity trying to control the fragment and stop them from killing Teppei (and damn I also didn't expect to feel empathy for him hahaha) but well thanks to Eua's power the evil entity is stronger and managed to take back the control of the fragment and destroy Teppei, things are sure tense. |
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| Well that's a next level identity crisis alright |
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| That final scene of Satoko spitting out the blood is absolutely horrifying. One of the best episodes of this season for sure. The internal conflict between Satoko(witch) and normal Satoko was great. Now that she’s fully in control, I’m curious to see how things end up for her. Really felt bad for Teppei tbh, even tho he’s traditionally been an asshole, in this fragment he just wanted to spoil his niece. These last few episodes are going to be insane, I don’t see everything getting wrapped up satisfactorily. I know they say this is the final season, but I doubt it. A lot of questions still to be answered. |
Marinate1016Aug 26, 2021 9:09 AM
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| well that was bloody. Two Satokos fighting (other wanting to stop killing everyone and the other gone too far that she's a witch already) Oooh how is this going to end since the witch won the internal battle..... Also I really felt bad for Teppei even though he was a complete shit before this redemption arc thingy |
SweetheadAug 26, 2021 9:20 AM
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Dogstideta said: Another cliche with a person's evil counterpart who is also them born from the conflicts in their heart to challenge them strikes again! Its no longer them* And this is probably the only franchise where this cliche is actually logical and makes sense in contrast with the meta-world mechanic and piece manifestation on board. EDIT: And it also was foreshadowed in the past episodes pretty clear. I'm sure AOT fans know what foreshadow means, I'm right or I'm right? ;) |
EmillianAug 26, 2021 9:24 AM
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
Emillian said: Dogstideta said: Another cliche with a person's evil counterpart who is also them born from the conflicts in their heart to challenge them strikes again! Its no longer them* And this is probably the only franchise where this cliche is actually logical and makes sense in contrast with the meta-world mechanic and piece manifestation on board. Pretty much this. This "cliche' (trope) is actually a major plot point very well utilized ever since the OG series' Minagoroshi arc. We got this same sort of thing to conclude Rika's character arc with her looping-created alter ego in Saikoroshi (when she seemingly separated from her as well). When people loop in Higurashi, a new looping "them" is formed (the so-called Witches, in Rika's case, Bernkastel). |
DanpmssAug 26, 2021 9:30 AM
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Si1verR0se said: Emillian said: Its no longer them* And this is probably the only franchise where this cliche is actually logical and makes sense in contrast with the meta-world mechanic and piece manifestation on board. EDIT: And it also was foreshadowed in the past episodes pretty clear. I'm sure AOT fans know what foreshadow means, I'm right or I'm right? ;) I mean, you need Umineko knowledge to say "it's logical", and even then it's still looks stupid in Higurashi world. It's literally from Higurashi, smartass. It always has been in there, even before Umineko. |
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Si1verR0se said: Emillian said: Its no longer them* And this is probably the only franchise where this cliche is actually logical and makes sense in contrast with the meta-world mechanic and piece manifestation on board. EDIT: And it also was foreshadowed in the past episodes pretty clear. I'm sure AOT fans know what foreshadow means, I'm right or I'm right? ;) I mean, you need Umineko knowledge to say "it's logical", and even then it's still looks stupid in Higurashi world. Since the beginning of Sotsu the fact that both hold a meta-world system now it makes the use of this valid, I don't really like the use of it being this explicit when Higu ppl don't really know what this exactly is but it is what it is. After this arc will end everything will go pretty freestyle like Gou did in the last episodes and that's what I particulary wanna see tbh. Hope they will bring more context to this in the remaining runtime. |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
| I'm disappointed. I'm gonna enjoy rest of the episodes as it's possible, because some elements are really interesting, but... I really don't like the twist of Satoko's character in this episode (it was hinted earlier something's wrong going on with her, but I hoped it wouldn't end like that)... I like characters with separate personalities if made good - Satoko... may not be a good example. Unless the next 5 episodes are gonna change it, give it some new twist. |
Si1verR0se said: Oh boy, now they're completely fucked up. I have no idea why Ryukishi even did this. It's literally his worst work. Have fun defending this Shyamalan type of twists I'd ask you what your grievance was for this particular episode but it seems like this series just ain't for you and you're hatewatching lmao |
| Someone tell Ryu it's 2021 already. |
Mizu said: Si1verR0se said: Oh boy, now they're completely fucked up. I have no idea why Ryukishi even did this. It's literally his worst work. Have fun defending this Shyamalan type of twists I'd ask you what your grievance was for this particular episode but it seems like this series just ain't for you and you're hatewatching lmao That's literally all he use his burner account for, it was solely made to make numbers to shit on this series circlejerking in every possibility, just check out his forum activity. Nothing new, just ignore it. |
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| Yeah, our predictions made based on the leaks were correct. Still a little dissapointed that things went down this route. Seems like a bit of a copout. This just takes responsibilty away from Satoko. Thus setting her up for redemption. My prediction for the series ending is that Goodtoko will return in the end and give Rika the oppurtunity to kill eviltoko. Banishing her to a world without looper Rika. |
 hilarious  DOUBT  D O U B T X2  Someone got sunburnt? Or did she bathe in a pool of blood? |
| I don't really understand why or how Satoko reached this "breaking point." She seemed to have zero issues with any of the stuff she did in Oni and Wata. Not sure why shooting Teppei is where she draws the line. Agree that this seems like a copout, and (we'll see) makes a lot of Rika's more horrific deaths in Neko not "Satoko"'s fault. |
| If you told 2010 me I would feel bad for Teppei in the future I'd think you are lying. Jesus, that was intense. Not what I was expecting but an interesting twist regardless. Now I wonder how is Satoko's POV of Keiichi coming to her house going to be 'cause... You know. |
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| I was kinda enjoying this episode at first, watching Ooshi's shcemes and stuff, but the ending really ruined it for me. It keeps getting dumber, and not in a fun or entertaining way. At least it wasn't boring I guess |
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| So that's where they're going with this? A split personality to relieve Satoko of any moral culpability for all the horrendous shit she's done these last 2 seasons. Yea sure. Also this arc is dragging on way longer than I expected. I thought it would be done 2 episodes ago but yet we're still here. So if they wrap it up next week it leaves us 4 episodes max to deal with the actual plot from where Gou left off. Can't wait for this rushed mess. |
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| I assume this episode confirms Satoko loves Teppei more than her friends, her brother and Rika and all the people she massacred and traumatized in over 100+ years. Interesting! |
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| Split personality is such a cop-out to redeem Satoko but it was the only way to give her an excuse after she was so far gone. |
Chargecoulomb said: Seems like a bit of a copout. This just takes responsibilty away from Satoko. Thus setting her up for redemption. My prediction for the series ending is that Goodtoko will return in the end and give Rika the oppurtunity to kill eviltoko. Banishing her to a world without looper Rika. Satoko took responsibility for her immature decision making and recognized that it was driven by her inability to handle her emotions, which is a common issue for survivors of abuse. I agree with your prediction, I doubt this will be the last time we see Goodtoko. I'm still holding out hope for Hanyuu returning in some future iteration Ah yes, the bread and butter of this series: crazy bitches creating bloodbaths |
| This episode is absolutely the mindfck of the mindfcks. |
concerned2Aug 26, 2021 10:53 AM
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Si1verR0se said: Jin_uzuki said: I assume this episode confirms Satoko loves Teppei more than her friends, her brother and Rika and all the people she massacred and traumatized in over 100+ years. Interesting! Even more, she wasn't confused when she cold heartedly shoot Mion in the stomache, then shot out her hand, and then killed her But she cracked when tried to kill Teppei Sasuga writers smh Devil_Slayer said: Split personality is such a cop-out to redeem Satoko but it was the only way to give her an excuse after she was so far gone. Maybe do something like "Eua messed with her head" or "the price of looping is murdering your friends". I dunno, the plot of "I can give you happy life with your friends, but you must kill\make them kill in the end of June, could be good. But even though they should've started going into that "redemption" back in Satokowashi, but there was no hint toward it, just "NOW WE HAVE WITCHES"(does anyone remember what Witches were in Umineko? smh) Even Lamdadelta, who was this super evil selfish witch who see our cast as a plaything had more depth and morals than this nutjob Satoko. |
| I've been enjoying it so far but I think they jumped the shark with this one. Satoko having split personalities is completely idiotic. |
| Shoot first, think never. |
| Oh my fucking God the leaks were real and just as bad in context as they were out of context. I literally can't even right now with this shit. |
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| I believe Ryu07 had some ideas back in the early 2000s and somehow collected those notes and passed it onto amateur writers to fill up. Satoko's split personality was revealed in the worst time narratively possible, and it really fails to restore any part of her character. It can be even called a storytelling copout because transforming the otherwise bland (compared to other characters) Satoko to her witchy version became too difficult using solid arguments. Yeah she wanted to get very ahem close with her roommate, but ultimately these past events had very little to do with Rika, than playing an unfair one-sided deathgame with her. All the friendly love she boasts of ultimately went to trash bin, and of all people, the uncle, yes the ex-harasser moved her heart, and that too, in her retarded state! So much for blatantly using a Teppei redemption storyline... Direction has become funny. Horror and tragedy has become a cacophony of exhibitionism as the plot keeps tumbling down to the abyss. I really need to contact L5 to appreciate this. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| I'll be honest, I'm really not sure how I feel about this particular turn of events. Yes, this is the sort of thing I could see Ryukishi07 doing in his writing, but it just feels kind of wrong for this whole thing to be presented as Satoko developing a split-personality through the looping: sure, that battle in the meta world was probably just one giant metaphor for Satoko's callous side she's developed by looping crushing her hesitation in that moment to keep the plan in check, but it still feels weird. I'd have just preferred her personality to have taken this natural shift as she has looped more and more to get the outcome she wants, rather than arguably copping out with it as a personality split. More to the point, beyond this very brief moment of hesitation in killing Teppei, what does this shift really change in the grand scheme of things? It only really works if it's a case where she now can't act like Satoko normally does to properly set the loops up to deceive Rika, forcing her to take the more direct approach we saw from episode 15 onward of Gou, but even then I'm unsure. |
Devil_Slayer said: Even Lamdadelta, who was this super evil selfish witch who see our cast as a plaything had more depth and morals than this nutjob Satoko. It kinda makes sense tho if we consider the current Satoko as a "new-born" Lambdadelta. Many witches in Umineko at the beginning of their path were cold-blooded murderers — they got overwhelmed by their power and just didn't know better (like EVA-Beatrice, even Beatrice). But as they lived they understood how meaningless those cruel actions were, learned compassion, and the meaning of "life" itself. So I kinda understand why the plot turned out that way. Witch Satoko is just a brat for now, but maybe as time goes on she will understand how completely stupid her actions are and will change for the better (makes me think about the logic error mentioned in VN that Lambdadelta got herself into, plenty of time to reflect on all of that). That's just my assumption though. *copium* |
Irken said: Devil_Slayer said: Even Lamdadelta, who was this super evil selfish witch who see our cast as a plaything had more depth and morals than this nutjob Satoko. Witch Satoko is just a brat for now, but maybe as time goes on she will understand how completely stupid her actions are and will change for the better (makes me think about the logic error mentioned in VN that Lambdadelta got herself into, plenty of time to reflect on all of that). That's just my assumption though. *copium* Wasn't that just Eva? Beatrice was just putting an act for the most part and Bernkastels personality is not the exact same. Bernkastel took the game against Beato personally and Lamda was actually admiring Battler and his battle against many witches. It's by case by case and Lamda is supposed to be a mix of Satoko and Takano not just Satoko. |
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