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Birdsanddrugs said: Superns18 said: Fuck asekladd fr fr. Piece of shit. Also, damn how the fuck did I miss Thorkell being a Christian, it was so obvious. This episode left me so angry man I’m not gonna lie Was Thorkell a Christian? Wasn't he a 100% Norse warrior who only loves fighting? I meant Thors sorry |
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Kamiyan3991 said: Not gonna lie, it was pretty meh. I really dislike the direction in this show. That monologue at the end... IDK, it was supposed to be dramatic, right? I actually fell asleep. Really average show so far. Unfortunately. Better stop watching it then. |
| Just like in the manga: "Wherefore dost thou forget us forever, and forsake us so long?" - Lamentations 5:20 This Bible verse meant that the end is near, and when the Devil won this battle by a landslide. God's resolution with the Devil's revolution. The killing of Thors by Askeladd's men raíses questions from the captured Priest, but it was one of awestrucked shock. That was worse when he couldn't save innocent people from Askeladd and this men. And from the perspective of Askeladd, being traditional Norsemen and Danish doesn't give them fucking scraps about killing innocent people, much less care about religion. It's to kill or be killed. It's about survival of the fittest. SO WHAT if civilians are killed? It serves nothing if the Danes cannot survive. God knew the sin of the world, and allowed evil to thrive in such environments like this. Plus, the concept of Gods and Kings in the 10th Century weren't much defined, although the faith was there, but when staying alive meant more than religion. What a chilling and impactful episode. Cold-blooded Askeladd is what I'd already come to expect when tactics and survival meant all to him and get things done efficiently AND EFFECTIVELY. ALL THOSE GORE and BRUTAL VIOLENCE, UNCENSORED, in front of people who are getting killed by others. |
KANLen09Oct 15, 2019 5:07 AM
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| A very emotional episode showing another perspective on the Danes. Man, this show truly is unique. The art and composition just carried the message across even better. I love this show so much, even in episodes like this that focus on worldbuilding, rather than the incredible characterisation of Thorfinn and Askeladd. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| Don't know why some folks are calling this episode filler. It specifically sets up two things which will come into play in the next episode or two on top of furthering establishing Askeladd as a character. Like damn have some patience. |
| Oh boy, this was one of the best directed episodes of the year. Although the dialogues were a bit weak in my opinion. |
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| This was so damn edgy! just the perfect amount of edgy I wanted! honestly this was probably the only ep I thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish. This series has been pretty weak for me for the most part, but this one really hit the nail. |
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| Ragnar "Your luck will run out" Askeladd later "We need to kill all of them" Not to mention Canute, Ragnar and the priest are all Christians. I wonder if that's the other setup? @GreenEmu I'm so tired of people in episode discussions (not just with VS) saying "nothing happened, all pointless, no purpose", as if there's any truth to it or that they're superior to other viewers for literally not caring about anything. I'll never understand the logic they use because they'll never respond back lol. |
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| Amazing, really. Loved this episode, despite being dark, this is really great. I feel bad for Anne for feeling like that, as well as for the civillians. I don't know if I will hate Askeladd for that, because that was disturbing. Great feels, and I hope Anne will show up again. |
| Middle-ages Euproa is just shitty place, I don't know why civilians who wish to live in peace even exist back in the day. They are literally just like animals where it's kill or get killed. I didn't really like the episode, it just there to show us how horrible those Vikings are but we already knew this. Btw, does Thorfin take part in those raids? I don't recall ever seeing him taking part in those mass murders Askaland and his group commits. I guess the author doesn't want to make him irredeemable |
Devil_SlayerOct 15, 2019 4:16 PM
Devil_Slayer said: Middle-ages Euproa is just shitty place, I don't know why civilians who wish to live in peace even exist back in the day. They are literally just like animals where it's kill or get killed. I didn't really like the episode, it just there to show us how horrible those Vikings are but we already knew this. Btw, does Thorfin take part in those raids? I don't recall ever seeing him taking part in those mass murders Askaland and his group commits. I guess the author doesn't want to make him irredeemable Eh it wasn't all bad and granted it depends when in the Middle Ages I would much rather live in the 12th Century than say the 17th Century. Plus you can take your pick before the Middle Ages you had tons of brutality in Europe like Caesar's genocide in Gaul and Germania while bringing "civilization to Europe". No period is without it's atrocities. Also not really he doesn't help Askeladd outside of earning his supper, fighting for his life and for duels. Throughout most of this part of his life Thorfinn has kinda summed up the world as it's eat or eaten. He isn't supposed to be a really good person (the manga is aware he isn't) for the most part all he cares about is looking to survive and earning his duel. |
| dIspOsAbLe cHaRActErs, wAsTE oF tImE, wE aLrEAdy kNOw ThAT tHeY rAiD. - This episodes gives us empathy. They may be strangers and not relevant to the plot (except partly for Anne, you'll see next episode), but how this episode portrays them makes it feel real. They are innocent people caught between war and necessities require them to be slaughtered. Whilst how they portray Christianity does not match the brutality of some monarchs that defy it, they are just innocent good willed villagers nevertheless. It let us see this chaos through the eyes of the undeserving and how they themselves suffer from it, not through the eyes of the Vikings (especially Thorfinn). - It gives Askeladd more characterisation by telling us that this is a man is ruthless enough to do anything to achieve his goal. It also serves as a good contrast from the past few episodes. - Anne has stolen a ring and has committed a sin, yet she is the only one who survives. She questions whether or not this was intentional by God, if she was not worthy enough to be part of her family. Quite ironic indeed. You can also see it as her being relieved that there are more evil people on the planet than her, making her feel "elated". A lot to break down here, it tells a short story that is quite compelling while also expanding on it's raiding aspect and the ruthless necessities of it at the time. And Annes role is not quite over yet, she will be a catalyst for the main plot, trust me. I just wish people wouldn't look at things on the surface sometimes. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
DeadlyRavenOct 17, 2019 12:56 PM
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This was really hard to watch for all the right reasons. It makes me want to find a Dane and tell him to fuck off.  |
| That was errr... emotionally confusing I guess would the best term. I like the bits I usually like, the visuals, the character interactions, but apart from that I just kinda zoned out when it went all grim-dark towards the end. One thing I really liked though was that slow panning when they show the sort-of-flashback to Thors. I couldn't tell if those were 3D models or not. Either way it looked great. I really want to follow on the story of that girl, but knowing this show's formula so far, we're probably not gonna see her again for ages, if ever. That's something that's been kind of bothering me about this show. It keeps on introducing all these interesting side characters that you want to care about and then just drops them because the focus is always on Thorfinn and Askeladd's journey. |
ChilliePeppersOct 16, 2019 5:11 AM
| Whats sad is people still believe in this god 1000 years later. False hope is false hope. |
| Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! Figures  |
| this episode is a reminder to everyone that Askeladd and his people aren't good. |
| Totally agree with the OP. It was a dark christian episode, the reference to people killing each other without any hesitation was well done |
RobinTheKing said: this episode is a reminder to everyone that Askeladd and his people aren't good. Wow, I came here to say the same pretty much. Episode 14 of Vinland Saga: A reminder for anyone that happened to forget that Askeladd and his bunch are pure shit. Some people might have genuinely forgotten that part. I DESPISE them. |
| I really hope the motley crew of merry Danes get their comeuppance sooner rather than later, Askleladd's lack of morality and general smugness is really starting to grate my gears aha. Great episode all in all, some truely jaw dropping scenes visually this ep |
| That family scene was adorable, and as always, they make bread look really nice in these kinds of shows, but as Spice & Wolf has taught me that it probably isn't the best bread due to quality of the oats, milling price/tax, wheat quality, and some bastards good/bad oats together just to make it look better. And then... the raid happened... well, that hurts my heart. I keep forgetting that these guys are still friggin raiders. Damn you Askeladd, you charismatic bastard alongside with the tragic Thorfinn (and co). But really, that is certainly the saddest episode yet. |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
AngryAf said: "what was the purpose of this episode" For you to ask this... I see, you are completely missing it then. Should I give you a spoiler so you can see how important this episode is? Or would you like to wait calmly until you can understand how important this episode is? Lol, you must be kidding. Are you blaming this guy for bad directing in this show? Also, I heard that argument many times while I was watching Tate no Shit Anime Nariagari. Spoilers didn't help. The explanations were pure garbage. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
DeadlyRavenOct 17, 2019 12:53 PM
AngryAf said: Does your taste so good that you have to say "garbage" or "shit"? I was talking about Shield Hero. Fanboys were trying to defend this show with spoilers, but jk, it was getting worse and worse. I'm not saying that's the case here. I just wanted to point out that's a terrible argument (spoilers). If you need spoilers to explain something, then the direction must be ultimately bad. |
| @Kamiyan3991 Basically, just like when you accused KnY of having bad animation, you're being disingenuous. So because some random guy said the episode had no purpose (without giving any arguments) the directing is bad? It can't be the fault of the viewer? Just so you now, it was all foreshadowed and pretty obvious in retrospect. Like very clearly, see my post #234. Even then this episode clearly had a purpose, the characters needed shelter and food more than ever. I don't understand what's cheap about the monologue when it's trying to capture the thoughts of a very religious christian girl who feels guilty after a slaughtering. Whatever |
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| @Esquirtit you need to read carefully, fam. I wrote about it before even seeing that "random guy" comment. I only commented on that "another random guy" post because that part about saying spoilers was unironically funny. Huh, I don't know what KnY have to do with anything. Yeah, it has your typical ufotable "animation" (aka dynamic came moves) but I don't see how's that related. Esquirtit said: I don't understand what's cheap about the monologue when it's trying to capture the thoughts of a very religious christian girl who feels guilty after a slaughtering. Whatever I think you don't understand. I'm not talking about what she said (I couldn't care less honestly). I was talking about how it was shown. Extending the monologue with some weird pauses between every word doesn't magically make something like this more dramatical. Hell, I was just (un)patiently waiting for the end. And generally, pacing is not the best in this show. Same goes for story progression. At least now we don't focus on Thorfinn, since he's boring and way too straighforward. |
| @Kamiyan3991 Fine, then it was a misunderstanding on my part because you still said I just wanted to point out that's a terrible argument (spoilers). If you need spoilers to explain something, then the direction must be ultimately bad. Some people do need spoilers because they get pissed off when it doesn't go the way they want it to and for that reason call episodes pointless. You called the directing bad so I thought you referred to this case as well Well that's just subjective as you said, it wasn't necessarily to make it more dramatical. Maybe it was delivered that way for people who did find her character engaging and wanted to see her perspective. Same goes for the pacing and story progression. I think the way it's structered isn't best for weekly watching, but that's not because of any flaws, it depends on how you enjoy your anime. I assume you believe it's ''too slow'', well many people don't and I don't, what's wrong with it? |
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| Askeladd is such a bastard not because he killed a bunch of innocents but because those are his own people to whom he looked at with cold eyes speaking to them with their language just to send the fear into their souls before killing them and all of that after what he said to the kings of those lands about protecting his home. He is a hypocrite who is ready to do anything for his own benefit. That makes him a great antagonist though. |
Agamenon said: Askeladd is such a bastard not because he killed a bunch of innocents but because those are his own people to whom he looked at with cold eyes speaking to them with their language just to send the fear into their souls before killing them and all of that after what he said to the kings of those lands about protecting his home. He is a hypocrite who is ready to do anything for his own benefit. That makes him a great antagonist though. Not that it justifies the act but those are not his people, the villagers are English. The same people his ancestor Artorius was fighting against. |
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TopgunUK said: Agamenon said: Askeladd is such a bastard not because he killed a bunch of innocents but because those are his own people to whom he looked at with cold eyes speaking to them with their language just to send the fear into their souls before killing them and all of that after what he said to the kings of those lands about protecting his home. He is a hypocrite who is ready to do anything for his own benefit. That makes him a great antagonist though. Not that it justifies the act but those are not his people, the villagers are English. The same people his ancestor Artorius was fighting against. Ok I thought they were still in Wales. Thanks for rectifying me. Now that does change a little bit the way I look at the situation but it's still cruel enough. |
| could have been a lot more dramatic if there were screams during the slaughtering, the violence is toned down too much |
| When I read this part in the manga, it was really hard to take in. It depressed me but remember, a long time ago, in various wars that took place, this happened. I am more sensitive when it comes to young children, especially babies, dying or being murdered in cold blood. Of course, the innocent adults dying hurt me too but when I know that they also killed the children, it hurt me more. Gonna be honest, after this part in the manga, I didn't care for Askeladd's men. I still like Askeladd, why? He's a well-written character. He's not a "good guy" nor could you say that he's entirely evil. He's a mix of evil, disturbed, determined, has some good traits, etc. He has a goal and wants to achieve that. He does not mind sacrificing others to achieve that goal. I like him as a character in this series, in real life, I would stay far away from anyone like him and most especially, people like his men. |
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JolteonRL said: Nope, part of the mangaI feel like this is just a filler episode that has almost nothing to do with the main characters |
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| poor fodder village... 3/5. |
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I'm genuinely surprised with this score, considering that you're such a positive and charismatic guy. |
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