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Feb 11, 2010 2:41 PM

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Siva said:

I am not really sure about why Meiren doing all this thing. She said that she is protecting the lineage but what she is doing right now is trying to tell Akira about what Mina is up to which seem to be go against her own role. As we have seen, Mina seems to have a lot of enemies around her but she stated in the past that she is building the bund to protect the good vampires.
Well we don't want our queen to end up with our servant the werewolves do we? so let's make Akira think Mina isn't the kind queen he thought remembering when he was a little boy, to prevent the cross-breeding between Vampire and Werewolves

And yeah Yuki x Akira's conversation is kinda odd..see now i began to dislike Yuki
Feb 11, 2010 2:42 PM

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Okay, officialy this show hit the ground. Next ep and another one probably won't change the fact how inconsistent it all looks.
Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM

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Darklight0303 said:
Akira is a badly written character IN THE ANIME due to the fucked up start of the series


...and that would make THE ANIME bad.

It's like comparing Harry Potter books to the movies. Adaptations differ. They may have value. They may not. Comparison, most of the cases, does not help the topic: you can think the books are good, but that does not mean the movies have to be good too.

Same goes with this. Imho, of course.
Feb 11, 2010 2:50 PM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
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lol! i'm loving this forum so far! this episode was good for me because the fight is going to start soon... aka, when all secrets are reveled and people who hate Mina will hit thereselves in the face saying "Why did I think that she was pure evil?"
Anyways, I love Mina. She is fighting for her nation SO that vampires don't have to live in the human world where they can kill humans (so Mina's practically fighting for the good of everyone!).
Oh, and I loved her calm reaction when Akira was questioning her... she's all like "If you believe that, then I can't change your mind." He will probably be smacking his face, too *refers to my first paragraph.* But then the calm ended and she threw a desk xD

Oh, all that bugged me about this episode was how Akira told Yuki that he didn't give away her ring... but in the manga, he barely cares about Yuki and

Oh, well. In all, I believe that this episode is heading in the direction of the manga, which is good for AkiraxMina fans!


After reading this, I am of the distinct opinion that if the writers bring Mina back from the depths of "evil bitch", then her character will be badly written and clearly indecisive.

And the supposed spoiler there is a massive Wall Banger... that just shows how badly written a character Akira is too. Honestly, this is really going i nthe wrong direction at 500mph.


Well, I guess you would believe that after only watching the anime... but if you read the manga, you'd get why Akira did what he did in my 'spoiler'. And really, why would Mina be poorly written? I mean, she's still a badass and everything... she just happens to have a weak spot for her 'pet' (akira xD)
Feb 11, 2010 2:54 PM

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After I watched this episode I shot though it again skipping 10 sec per second and counted how many close ups of eyes there were. I got twenty four. Twenty f*cking four close ups of eyes!The rest of the images I seen consist of face shots, body pan ups, and still images.

Lazy is not even the right word for this animation. Downright half assed is a better word. So don't even think we are getting any kickass fight scenes. So far they have taken the old comic book approach to most of the action. Meaning we see the punch about to hit the person and we see the person falling to the ground but we never actually see the punch hit the person!

F*ck you Shaft. F*ck you.
(I really hope they didn't get a hold of Shina Dark. I don't want them screwing up another great manga)
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Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM
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Akiyuki Shinbou's direction's on top and the story is progressing really well with some nice surprises. I'm raising it to 8 for now.

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Feb 11, 2010 3:11 PM

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Oosran said:
And Akira's too much francis-ish in this episode, too much of this righteousness, what's right to do this, what's wrong to do that, etc.
Why do you think I like Akira so much because he's a wild one like I am doing what I want around my farm! :P
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Also did a quick scan of chapter 10. Now I know why I felt like hurling my lunch during the oh so sickening scene between Akira and Yuki this episode. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Ah too bad about that....wonder if I will win my hope of Yuki x Akira like I did in 11eyes.....hmmmmm >:D
Oosran said:
First, it's funny how that actually never happened, right? : > Second.. No francis, don't you dare drag 11eyes into this. (╬ ಠ益ಠ)
And.. Way to shatter your dream, but you won't ever get a Akira×Yuki ending, because Shaft won't make crap ( ゚ ー ゚)
Crap? I beg to differ by all means...Yuki is way more cute than Mina even if she changes her form.....what is a vampire will never be human therefore is frightening and not loving.

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Feb 11, 2010 3:37 PM

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nicoliolipoli said:
Well, I guess you would believe that after only watching the anime... but if you read the manga, you'd get why Akira did what he did in my 'spoiler'. And really, why would Mina be poorly written? I mean, she's still a badass and everything... she just happens to have a weak spot for her 'pet' (akira xD)

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome. It looks like they were going for the new Evangeline, but it seems more like they got a female Suzaku.

Oh, and I have yet to see anything that qualifies Mina as a badass.

And sorry that all this will sound very abrasive to everyone, but please stop trying to use the manga to excuse the anime's faults. That's what we call Adaptation Decay. It does not make a good defence for your argument. Fact is, I don't give a flying shit about the manga and neither do a lot of people.

Again, sorry if i'm being too mean.
Feb 11, 2010 4:13 PM

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when someone tells you to NOT open a door, you do not go and open it! idiots
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Feb 11, 2010 4:40 PM

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when someone tells you to NOT open a door, you do not go and open it! idiots

BUT ITS THE PRESIDENT! You know, the one that was kidnapped by vampires a few weeks back? So its totally safe since the vampires would TOTALLY not try and trick us like Akira told us...wait...
Feb 11, 2010 4:40 PM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
nicoliolipoli said:
Well, I guess you would believe that after only watching the anime... but if you read the manga, you'd get why Akira did what he did in my 'spoiler'. And really, why would Mina be poorly written? I mean, she's still a badass and everything... she just happens to have a weak spot for her 'pet' (akira xD)

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome.


Inconsistent? I'd say not. It's exactly as she's supposed to be and I (and plenty of others) know full well why we see two different sides of her: on one hand, she wants to be accepted and as so, she makes herself more vulnerable. On the other, she's in charge of an entire race that is subject to prejudice, misunderstandings and hate. She has to show that she means business, else no one would take her seriously.

One thing is for sure: Mina is not, nor will she ever be, a villain. Whatever bad she does is by far not as worse as others (want to) do or have done to her..
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AO968 said:
Lind_L_Tailor said:
nicoliolipoli said:
Well, I guess you would believe that after only watching the anime... but if you read the manga, you'd get why Akira did what he did in my 'spoiler'. And really, why would Mina be poorly written? I mean, she's still a badass and everything... she just happens to have a weak spot for her 'pet' (akira xD)

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome.


Inconsistent? I'd say not. It's exactly as she's supposed to be and I (and plenty of others) know full well why we see two different sides of her: on one hand, she wants to be accepted and as so, she makes herself more vulnerable. On the other, she's in charge of an entire race that is subject to prejudice, misunderstandings and hate. She has to show that she means business, else no one would take her seriously.

One thing is for sure: Mina is not, nor will she ever be, a villain. Whatever bad she does is by far not as worse as others (want to) do or have done to her..

And the thing is that you're probably right. That's what they were going for. Whether they succeeded or not is a different matter entirely.

It's quite possible this is something that they showed perfectly in the manga, and that those adapting it did not understand. Either way, taking her character in such a direction in such a sudden way was a very unwelcome piece of character development.

At any rate, here's one thing we must make clear: If you don't want to make a character a villain, don't turn innocent children into the undead. There were better, more forgivable ways to establish she meant business, but that's taking things one step beyond redeemable.
Feb 11, 2010 5:52 PM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
At any rate, here's one thing we must make clear: If you don't want to make a character a villain, don't turn innocent children into the undead. There were better, more forgivable ways to establish she meant business, but that's taking things one step beyond redeemable.
That where I start loving you Lind like noteDhero.

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Feb 11, 2010 6:10 PM

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So much rage over a little kid, come on.
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-Hei- said:
So much rage over a little kid, come on.

Hey, fiction is serious business.

francismeunier said:
Lind_L_Tailor said:
At any rate, here's one thing we must make clear: If you don't want to make a character a villain, don't turn innocent children into the undead. There were better, more forgivable ways to establish she meant business, but that's taking things one step beyond redeemable.
That where I start loving you Lind like noteDhero.

Huh. 22 posts and two friends already. Man i'm good. B)
Feb 11, 2010 6:24 PM

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kage-bunshin said:
when someone tells you to NOT open a door, you do not go and open it! idiots

BUT ITS THE PRESIDENT! You know, the one that was kidnapped by vampires a few weeks back? So its totally safe since the vampires would TOTALLY not try and trick us like Akira told us...wait...


and those pictures of the president being repeatedly bitten. The ones that everyone in the entire school saw....yea those where totally photoshopped.
Feb 11, 2010 6:27 PM

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Jrittmayer said:
kage-bunshin said:
when someone tells you to NOT open a door, you do not go and open it! idiots

BUT ITS THE PRESIDENT! You know, the one that was kidnapped by vampires a few weeks back? So its totally safe since the vampires would TOTALLY not try and trick us like Akira told us...wait...


and those pictures of her being repeated bitten. The ones the entire school saw....yea that was totally photoshopped...
Feb 11, 2010 7:25 PM

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I didn't get into this epi. It just seemed superfical and awkward

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Francis I advise you take a chill pill.

Once Angel999 - always Angel999. Never has anyone been so consistant, No matter what invented profile and background he's/she's invented.
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someone is not getting sex from the werewolf guy tonight xD
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Lind_L_Tailor said:

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome. It looks like they were going for the new Evangeline, but it seems more like they got a female Suzaku.


Nah, I don't think kidnapping the kid is considered that villainous. I mean, the kid didn't die (undead doesn't count) anyway and the benefits was much greater. Any other measures would have not been as effective as directly blackmailing the prime minister. They were extremely tight on time. The bloody mess they made of the bodyguards are inevitable. They are vampires after all. No strange things as vampires killing humans. Pretty much the same as humans killing cattle. Think of the 'good' vampires as being vegetarians lol. Not villainous about that. And the boy returns to live with his grandfather anyway.

Lind_L_Tailor said:

And sorry that all this will sound very abrasive to everyone, but please stop trying to use the manga to excuse the anime's faults. That's what we call Adaptation Decay. It does not make a good defence for your argument. Fact is, I don't give a flying shit about the manga and neither do a lot of people.


True, your Theory of Adaptation Decay is right on spot. For me, Akira and Yuki were totally stupid in this episode, not Mina. In other words, this episode was a lame adaptation. And people should stop bring up the manga (that includes myself). Or else it will get the "Umineko MAL Forum Discussions Syndrome" or the "Phantom MAL Forum Discussions Syndrome".
wakka9caFeb 11, 2010 7:52 PM
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Feb 11, 2010 8:22 PM

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^^Mmmahhh...but it's soooo hard not to say how much more awesome the manga is.

(Frack, I really don't want to say anything but...well, just don't count Mina out yet in terms of how "bad" she's become Lind. I know that's impossible to believe at this point but, eh. Maybe it's just Shaft)

Oh and GONDAM!
Feb 11, 2010 8:35 PM

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datsunvic said:
I didn't get into this epi. It just seemed superfical and awkward

Darklight0303 said:
Francis I advise you take a chill pill.

Once Angel999 - always Angel999. Never has anyone been so consistant, No matter what invented profile and background he's/she's invented.

+1

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Lind_L_Tailor said:

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome. It looks like they were going for the new Evangeline, but it seems more like they got a female Suzaku.


Nah, I don't think kidnapping the kid is considered that villainous. I mean, the kid didn't die (undead doesn't count) anyway and the benefits was much greater. Any other measures would have not been as effective as directly blackmailing the prime minister. They were extremely tight on time. The bloody mess they made of the bodyguards are inevitable. They are vampires after all. No strange things as vampires killing humans. Pretty much the same as humans killing cattle. Think of the 'good' vampires as being vegetarians lol. Not villainous about that. And the boy returns to live with his grandfather anyway.

I completely agree here. Kidnapping the kid was to show that they mean business. Turning the kid? Most likely a beneficial move for Mina in the longrun. It insures the kid will grow up eventually to dealing in vamp business and ideals. It also sends a serious message to the PM that Mina can and will knock out any anti-vampire agenda he has. It's not a villainous move. It's not exactly the most savory and justifiable means, but it's not villainous to a point where she's just doing it to conquer the whole world. I'm sure Mina has a much grander plan that we haven't fully seen yet.

Although I would agree with Mina's sudden attitude changes. It seemed way out of place by sticking her as some high school tsundere girl with a crush as seen from the last episode and then back to the vampire queen role.
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There's nothing strange about a vampire taking advantage of a human, irregardless of age. I don't see the big deal.

This episode though, really shot downwards though with all the characters and I think it's way too early for them to be destroying how we perceive the characters when we're just getting used to them.

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Oh god, I was facepalming myself over and over again when they were opening the door
Seriously? Oh look it's the prez, let's let her in on this dark and stormy night right after the lights go out!

Other than that I liked the episode :o
Feb 11, 2010 9:51 PM

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Lol at the production values on this. It's like they're not even trying.... Yet I'm still enjoying it somehow. Guess I'll have to pick up the manga at some point.

Francis: If you hate vampires so much, why are you watching a show about them? Lol. Might I suggest Buffy the Vampire Slayer instead? Can't go wrong with Joss Whedon.
Just don't pick up Hellsing. 4 words: NAZI. VAMPIRES. EATING. BABIES. :DD
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datsunvic said:
I didn't get into this epi. It just seemed superfical and awkward

Darklight0303 said:
Francis I advise you take a chill pill.

Once Angel999 - always Angel999. Never has anyone been so consistant, No matter what invented profile and background he's/she's invented.

O_o I just expressed myself you make no sense at all.
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So much rage over a little kid, come on.
Not much rage but more like unfair and now Ookami series is far more serious business.
Wasabi said:
datsunvic said:
I didn't get into this epi. It just seemed superfical and awkward

Darklight0303 said:
Francis I advise you take a chill pill.

Once Angel999 - always Angel999. Never has anyone been so consistant, No matter what invented profile and background he's/she's invented.

Wasabi said:
+1

What? O_o I suggest you look elsewhere....I don't see any angel nor that number.
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Lind_L_Tailor said:

Well, i've already stated why I think she's already poorly written, because the way she is portrayed is extremely inconsistent. Now we've had one alignment whiplash that clearly signifies her as a villain... a very unwelcome one at that... suddenly switching her back to being a character we're meant to empathize with would undoubtedly cause the same effect, as well as a case of Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome. It looks like they were going for the new Evangeline, but it seems more like they got a female Suzaku.


Nah, I don't think kidnapping the kid is considered that villainous. I mean, the kid didn't die (undead doesn't count) anyway and the benefits was much greater. Any other measures would have not been as effective as directly blackmailing the prime minister. They were extremely tight on time. The bloody mess they made of the bodyguards are inevitable. They are vampires after all. No strange things as vampires killing humans. Pretty much the same as humans killing cattle. Think of the 'good' vampires as being vegetarians lol. Not villainous about that. And the boy returns to live with his grandfather anyway.

Wasabi said:
I completely agree here. Kidnapping the kid was to show that they mean business. Turning the kid? Most likely a beneficial move for Mina in the longrun. It insures the kid will grow up eventually to dealing in vamp business and ideals.

What about the kid's future? What about his saying of life in all this? No one gave him a choice but it does not matter...based on what I read on the spoilers.....hopefully it will turn out ok and all will be back to normal somehow.
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It also sends a serious message to the PM that Mina can and will knock out any anti-vampire agenda he has. It's not a villainous move. It's not exactly the most savory and justifiable means, but it's not villainous to a point where she's just doing it to conquer the whole world. I'm sure Mina has a much grander plan that we haven't fully seen yet.

I am sure someone else has a better plan to wipe out the vampires and I am looking at the army maybe or some religious group.
Wasabi said:
Although I would agree with Mina's sudden attitude changes. It seemed way out of place by sticking her as some high school tsundere girl with a crush as seen from the last episode and then back to the vampire queen role.
Inconsistency maybe?
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Francis: If you hate vampires so much, why are you watching a show about them? Lol. Might I suggest Buffy the Vampire Slayer instead? Can't go wrong with Joss Whedon.
Just don't pick up Hellsing. 4 words: NAZI. VAMPIRES. EATING. BABIES. :DD
I don't hate them....I just don't like some things they do. Hellsing really has Nazi, vampires eating babies? Really? Is it graphical? Well not my thing but it really is that? Anyways I am interesting only in the vampires thing for some reasons but certainly not hurting or turning kids into them.

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Feb 11, 2010 11:47 PM
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This show all around for me had a lack of direction, now we're having bad character development with Mina and what not. I don't think SHAFT cares too much for this anime.
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This show all around for me had a lack of direction, now we're having bad character development with Mina and what not. I don't think SHAFT cares too much for this anime.
Are you thinking they have another anime they care more? I agree with you that the studio cares not enough for this anime but can it redeem itself still?

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What about the kid's future? What about his saying of life in all this? No one gave him a choice but it does not matter...based on what I read on the spoilers.....hopefully it will turn out ok and all will be back to normal somehow.

What about the entire vampire race? And their futures? The futures of the fangless children? An entire race or one kid... answer should be pretty obvious.

francismeunier said:
I am sure someone else has a better plan to wipe out the vampires and I am looking at the army maybe or some religious group.

.../me facepalm

francismeunier said:
Inconsistency maybe?

No, really?

francismeunier said:
Anyways I am interesting only in the vampires thing for some reasons but certainly not hurting or turning kids into them.

I highly doubt the big bad werewolves which you so advocated for are any better.
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francismeunier said:
Are you thinking they have another anime they care more? I agree with you that the studio cares not enough for this anime but can it redeem itself still?


I personally don't think they can, SHAFT has been known to laze about when it comes to their anime, and this one shows no signs of improving. Add on to the fact there's only 6 episodes left, and it's already too late it seems.
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PsychFreak said:
francismeunier said:
Are you thinking they have another anime they care more? I agree with you that the studio cares not enough for this anime but can it redeem itself still?


I personally don't think they can, SHAFT has been known to laze about when it comes to their anime, and this one shows no signs of improving. Add on to the fact there's only 6 episodes left, and it's already too late it seems.
6 episodes is not enough? What about the end ones 11 & 12.....if they are amazing.....will it be enough? Probably not since all say it does not follow the manga....thinking the people who told them not to follow the manga were stupid....SHAFT should have listened to fans of this series not the manga creators.

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This is getting very interesting. I really want to know what happens next...
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francismeunier said:
What about the kid's future? What about his saying of life in all this? No one gave him a choice but it does not matter...based on what I read on the spoilers.....hopefully it will turn out ok and all will be back to normal somehow.

What about the entire vampire race? And their futures? The futures of the fangless children? An entire race or one kid... answer should be pretty obvious.

Ok you got me....*pulling back on this one* Seriously one thing.....humans don't care about vampires nor do they sympathize with them and same for vampires and Mina will not succeed in making it all ok with all vampires....some maybe but never all.
francismeunier said:
I am sure someone else has a better plan to wipe out the vampires and I am looking at the army maybe or some religious group.

Wasabi said:
.../me facepalm

Really? Well who else can do something to do them...superman?
francismeunier said:
Inconsistency maybe?

Wasabi said:
No, really?

Yeah really...why being sarcastic about it?
francismeunier said:
Anyways I am interesting only in the vampires thing for some reasons but certainly not hurting or turning kids into them.

Wasabi said:
I highly doubt the big bad werewolves which you so advocated for are any better.
You are wrong werewolves for some took in humans and allied themselves with them but some did bite them to be like them....goes back to saying vampires never considered humans by their side while werewolves did......you are 50% right in a way.

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Darklight0303 said:
flame_tiong said:
*lol at those student opening the door* wasnt it obvious people that attacked by vampire will become vampire themselves?
Ah yes the mindless sheep syndrome >_> such a cliche method in most horrors involving any kind of monster >_>

LOL that makes two of us then XD

scream!

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*lol at forum discussion*

it's better than the show.

(and i'm onto that guy, too. lol)
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OK, I'm hooked.
Can't wait for the next episode.
Looks as if a war is brewing.
Feb 12, 2010 2:37 AM

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"But kids love these.."
"Yeah, but then the adults will get mad"

XD

And I really hope Akira and Yuki remain just friends... I wouldn't be able to take it if they became a thing.

I am actually on Mina's side even if she wasn't right to use the school and that kid in the way she did.
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Mina never used the school. If it weren't for Mina there would BE NO School! >:D
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Well, some interesting, and actually valid points have been made.

At any rate, i'll say this: Kidnapping the kid? Fiendish, but that stays on par with Mina's prior anti-hero persona. Turning him into a vampire? No. Hell, at worst she should have threatened to turn him into a vampire from the beginning, and if that didn't work, then go through with it. Taking the most extreme option from the get go are less extremist and more terrorist actions, even if the line between the two is quite thin.
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you're jumping the gun. Remember that she took the kid under the pretext of not allowing Vampires OUTSIDE the bund? Well then she just goes to return the kid to the prime minister after he gives in. You don't think something's inconsistent ?
Feb 12, 2010 7:39 AM

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you're jumping the gun. Remember that she took the kid under the pretext of not allowing Vampires OUTSIDE the bund? Well then she just goes to return the kid to the prime minister after he gives in. You don't think something's inconsistent ?
we know that mina was behind the kidnapping, but she acted like other vampires decided to do the kidnapping on their own. i think she wanted to publicly look like the good guy - or at least like the humans' only hope for keeping the vampires under control....

...that's what i thought when i was watching, but i'm not going to pretend the story makes a lot of sense
Feb 12, 2010 8:11 AM

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Actually you got it all wrong but meh you'll see :P
Feb 12, 2010 8:20 AM

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Actually you got it all wrong but meh you'll see :P
really? now, i'm totally confused (?_?)
Feb 12, 2010 8:48 AM

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This is fu*kin awesome discussion. My money is on you wakka9ca.

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At any rate, i'll say this: Kidnapping the kid? Fiendish, but that stays on par with Mina's prior anti-hero persona. Turning him into a vampire? No. Hell, at worst she should have threatened to turn him into a vampire from the beginning, and if that didn't work, then go through with it. Taking the most extreme option from the get go are less extremist and more terrorist actions, even if the line between the two is quite thin.
Well, that if only she has that such a luxury time on her hand to waste like you said. Remember, she has been working all this time since the beginning of the first episode even during on her date with Akira.


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ilikeyouevenmore said:
Darklight0303 said:
Actually you got it all wrong but meh you'll see :P
really? now, i'm totally confused (?_?)
Oh don't worry, they'll clear it out in the next episode... Or possibly the one after that : p
I think you'll understand it by then at least, though I doubt they'll explain it thoroughly xD
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I've waited for "this" moment to come and it'll nearly happen i suppose. I can't wait !! Seeing Mina pissed off was amusing xD.
About the subject Akira x who ? I like both of Mina and Yuki so i really don't mind =)

By the way, the picture at the end totally sucked
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Siva said:
Lind_L_Tailor said:
At any rate, i'll say this: Kidnapping the kid? Fiendish, but that stays on par with Mina's prior anti-hero persona. Turning him into a vampire? No. Hell, at worst she should have threatened to turn him into a vampire from the beginning, and if that didn't work, then go through with it. Taking the most extreme option from the get go are less extremist and more terrorist actions, even if the line between the two is quite thin.
Well, that if only she has that such a luxury time on her hand to waste like you said. Remember, she has been working all this time since the beginning of the first episode even during on her date with Akira.

I'll agree with you on that, but the fact that she prioritizes a "time is money" ethic over human life rings very evil to me.

That said, she makes a very realistic politician.

BA-DUM TISH!
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Okay episode, I guess.

I'm totally starting to hate the art and animation. It's awful, bleh.
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What about the kid's future? What about his saying of life in all this? No one gave him a choice but it does not matter...based on what I read on the spoilers.....hopefully it will turn out ok and all will be back to normal somehow.

What about the entire vampire race? And their futures? The futures of the fangless children? An entire race or one kid... answer should be pretty obvious.

Ok you got me....*pulling back on this one* Seriously one thing.....humans don't care about vampires nor do they sympathize with them and same for vampires and Mina will not succeed in making it all ok with all vampires....some maybe but never all.

Exactly! See, you're getting it better now. This was just one child... and he didn't even die. He got to go back to his family. He was just hurt for awhile to save hundreds of people who are being isolated on an island to keep humans safe. The sacrafice seems fair.
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I am sure someone else has a better plan to wipe out the vampires and I am looking at the army maybe or some religious group.

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.../me facepalm

Really? Well who else can do something to do them...superman?

lmao, but really? You want a religous group to wipe out the vampires? This isn't Trueblood... humans can't kill an entire supernatural race. And remember, they can't kill just Mina because if she dies, it's like their whole race dies.
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Oosran said:
ilikeyouevenmore said:
Darklight0303 said:
Actually you got it all wrong but meh you'll see :P
really? now, i'm totally confused (?_?)
Oh don't worry, they'll clear it out in the next episode... Or possibly the one after that : p
I think you'll understand it by then at least, though I doubt they'll explain it thoroughly xD
Oh I understand it but if they do not clear and make it the kid stays a vampire.....my rage is going to Mina for x reasons not worth to mention...my rifle is itching next to me...... >:D

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