Some misunderstood aspects of the culture of Türkiye

its an anime quit the crying

Well....Japan is horrible at depicting western culture.
I wouldn't take it too seriously, my dude^^

Nobody cares lmao its fiction

its fiction not reality how i wish anime still put this disclaimer warning on every start of an episode

heck schizophrenic and psychotic people are often shown as criminals in fiction like anime too but that is not the case in the real world

what else like americans in anime are all blonde and annoyingly loud

and many more i cannot think of right now

I don't think that's the point of the scene. It was comic relief and Leland doesn't know much about Turkish culture (the people who attacked them also had different attire). The reason those people were attacking Axel and Leland is because they were a gang of criminals looking to rob them, and it would have been the same result if Leland were wearing something else. That was the "bad part" of town, as they state in the script.

Why did you respond to everyone except the one that said the most likely answer?

@Gsarthotegga I understand🍃 but what I am talking about is not a few misunderstandings, everything shown except the food is wrong. And I definitely see this not only in Lazarus but also in any series, movie or anime about Turkiye. It is especially disturbing that this is done with Arab clothes because we are two completely different nations. I don't want to get political here but the refugee problem was depressing enough for us so I hope you understand what I feel when I see this even in an anime that I turn on and watch to relax.

@hanbeecim You're not just talking about what Leland was wearing but all of the minor characters as well (Skinner's grandma and the gang)? It's a really large country, so is it possible this is based on some small neighborhood there? I don't remember too many details, but it was in Istanbul, which should have some amount of Arabic elements (including some architecture and people who are Arab and wear that kind of clothing) in some areas, even if small, I would think. I'd say it's not so much meant to be a representation of the country as a whole so much as it's a look at the neighborhood where Skinner's grandma lived. I guess to try to come up with an example from my country (the U.S.), it'd be like seeing the characters in a movie travel from abroad to Chinatown, which isn't an accurate representation of the U.S. as a whole, but it's not necessarily an inaccurate depiction of a tiny part of the U.S. Granted, I can't say with any certainty how accurate Lazarus' depiction is.

Also, how is no one getting the OBVIOUS joke that Leland did this because he didn't know what was Turkey and what was Saudi Arabia?

If the problem is the clothes I think that's just Leland being mistaken and if the problem is architecture I think it would be different because its in the future, also I wasn't really trying to start a polemic, only his comment was the one I agreed with more and wanted to see an answer to that one, sorry if it came out specially rude

Too many nationalistic Turks are just very easily offended over nothing, I've found. Not that that doesn't exist from the populations of all countries in all nationalities to the extent that they have a presence online and on the English-speaking side of the internet for maximum visibility, but some are just louder and more notorious than others.

Even dispensing with the whole "It's fiction. They can make up anything they want about anyone or anything anywhere anytime anyhow" argument, which is true and I subscribe to. But it goes beyond that. Think about the actual issue you're raising logically for five seconds, I beg of you. Turkey is a country of tens of millions of people. Do you honestly believe that there are not ethnic minorities or other outlier populations, neighborhoods, families, individuals, who don't come from a different background, who don't conform to the most common customs of nationally popular attire, who don't subscribe to different customs and culture, adhere to different beliefs, and lead a different lifestyle?

People, Turks or otherwise, who are always angry that their country and culture is allegedly being defamed and portrayed incorrectly never seem to stop to consider the possibility that there are other people within their own country who lead different lives. You don't know what the ethnic background or religion or native tongue or anything of what these random side characters and background characters is supposed to be, if it was even thought that far out/that in-depth. So why jump to the worst possible conclusion and most extreme uncharitable interpretation? Other than looking to be offended and fabricate an issue out of nothing.

The scenes you're referring to in the first place are about the characters going to an area which is stated beforehand when the team is doing their assessment to be known as a high-crime zone and one which there wasn't good visual coverage of. Then they go there, looking like unfamiliar people in a rough neighborhood, and appear to be being assaulted and robbed since they're outsiders the local gangs look like they can exploit and steal something expensive from (like the tracker device affixed to the kid's wrist they were about to cut his hand or arm off to take).

It has nothing to do with allegations of ethnic Turkish-Arab tensions or Turkish xenophobia toward Syrian Arab refugees or whichever other modern real world political issue you're projecting onto it.

Everything was pretty much accurate imo. Maybe you can argue that most people dont use their hands while eating baklava but except that, the grandmas hospitality and the way skinner cared for his grandma, how there were framed photos around etc were pretty spot on. Also, I think that flower might be of importance in the plot.

Ignorant how and what part of my post wasnt true?

rubbish thread..

turks understand the concept of jokes only when they do it

Then that's their own problem if they're ignorant. It's absolutely no one's job to babysit and hand-hold, censoring or directing art and entertainment media to be a certain way so as to prevent "misinformation". It's not a government-sponsored educational program purporting to be factual, but an entertainment series which is explicitly fictional by definition. Anyone misinformed by it and anyone upset that others are misinformed, can just deal and live with it. You can be as "infuriated" as you'd like, but that's how it is.

The anime - its original writer and creator, along with its producer and the responsible studio, and all the viewers enjoying it for what it is as entertainment, are under absolutely no obligation and have no responsibility whatsoever for educating the masses. It's a dangerous precedent and mindset to imply otherwise. As if fictional works should have to tiptoe so random ignorant folk aren't mistakenly informed by fiction. What nonsense. This is just another reskinned iteration of the "Think of the children!" moral panic fanaticism arguing for regulating media content so as to conform to some ideological standard and political guidelines. They can invent whatever they want. That's art.

Who cares, just be happy that Japanese even know about your country's existence.



Turkey isn't a western country and their culture isn't western.

Who cares, just be happy that Japanese even know about your country's existence.



Turkey isn't a western country and their culture isn't western.

@queenofautism

I suggest you buy yourself a Map^^

Yes. I have said as much many times (outside of this thread topic - I mean on the forum in general), and that has been a consistent position I've advocated and stood by my entire life. Over issues of depiction far more extreme and controversial than this trivial fluff.



No. Although I respect the freedom of those who disagree with this and believe they should be able to openly express their views in as much detail, as often, or in whichever manner they choose to. But I don't think they are correct and don't believe they should be given into in the form of editing and censoring the artwork in question to conform to their preferences or expectations.



That mindset and type of statement in different variations is thrown out by every person ever who want to somehow in some way edit, censor, and manipulate others' art in any medium to conform to their specifications and desires. It's all the same BS repackaged. I won't be fooled as I've heard every conceivable variation of this silly moral outrage type complaint before.



It's shown that the main characters go to a rough neighborhood where some background characters are speaking Arabic. Okay, and? It can't be an Arab minority neighborhood? You know that the background characters are not supposed to be ethnic Arab minorities who speak Arabic? No country, including obviously Turkey, is purely homogeneous (in ethnicity, language, religion, or anything else). It's a poor neighborhood. Maybe they're immigrants or descendants of refugees for all you know.

It's also in a futuristic setting, when all manner of changes could have happened all around the planet to the environment, to demographics, to national cultures. You know, like a Hyper Cube advanced transportation system capable of taking a large number of people overland and overseas from North America to Istanbul in six hours. Or a pharmacological substance like Hapna even existing. You know, because it's a fictional series. Not a claimed documentary on 2025 real life Turkey.



Your experience, I'm sure, isn't everyone's in your country. I'm doubly sure it isn't that of fictional characters created to serve a simple purpose in a story.



Then you're too easily offended over nothing and nonsense, which further underscores a generalization I made about overly offended nationalistic Turks (who usually claim to be anything but, but their actual statements apart from that and actions betray otherwise) in my original post.



If it were intended as a documentary, then sure. Since it's a fictional TV series, that doesn't hold water.



Well, the Japanese artists who created it want it. The companies which bankrolled its production and want to turn a profit want it. The domestic Japanese and overseas foreign viewers interested in its story and what it has to say want it. Compared to that, it doesn't really matter if random offended people dislike one or more aspects of it, as that usually just gets drowned out and changes nothing.

Japan and much of the rest of the world isn't Erdogan and the AKP's Islamist regime's playground where whatever personally offends can just be erased and censored on a whim. Thankfully. They have no power over what other countries produce and watch. Don't like it? Change the channel.



Yes, I've heard from plenty of nationalistic Turks complaining over petty minutiae that doesn't matter or mean anything online before. It's an age old tired phenomenon. "False propaganda". Propaganda generally has to have some actual defined intent behind it. There is none you can point to, certainly let alone come close to prove in a case such as this. So it's a meaningless claim to hurl such an insult at Lazarus

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If by "hatred", you mean opposition to those with the impulse and intent to generate needless worthless outrage over others' art for some perceived slight against their tribe then I won't be doing that. You can freely express your views and opinion here and have done so. As can and shall I.