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Oct 19, 6:00 AM
#1
Classic Araragi to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. While Suicide-Master is over here making a deal with THE culprit, he's just getting introductions of the basketball team lmao. But yeah, for Suicide-Master the choices she gave were actually really nice for some odd reason. I mean, either go back to being human after sucking her blood, or eat her whole to become a full vampire. Though,, to be fair, she's pushing like a 1000-years, not much she CAN do anymore. But yeah, to think that it wasn't even Souwa, but actually was Kie... not a surprise, I mean we saw it in the beginning of the arc lmao. In the end though, she turned back to human in order to restore her teammates or whatever. Was nice to see Kagenui one last time to save the day, all thanks to Gaen... but yeah, Kagenui is cool and all in terms of returns and cameos... but even better was the goat herself... HITAGI FUCKING SENJOUGAHARA!!!! AHHHHHHH I MISSED YOU SO MUCH.... <3 All's well that end's well, and man these past fourteen weeks were nothing but greatness. Was so happy just to have Monogatari back after a long five years. Really hope we don't have to wait ANOTHER five years, but Shaft is pretty bust right now, so who knows. Pisu Pisu/10 |
IzanaSolosOct 19, 6:19 AM
Oct 19, 6:06 AM
#2
Who would hate this kind of humiliation( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).. I mean no, Araragi, you’re a guy, say no to such things. Though you know, this series really knows how to confuse you with things which were just kind of there since the start, I mean the very first thing we were made to see the moment this arc started was… actually not Araragi or not Gaen, it was actually that girl right who was depressed as fuck, cause basketball drill sucks. So yeah, we had an idea who was the actual culprit this whole time, but of course, leave it to this series and these characters going to such lengths just to fuck with everyone lol. Can’t believe Harimaze Kie actually made a fool out of Suicide master, though she can’t actually be blamed as well but still lol. Araragi briefing everything while still being in that pink set of pyjamas aside, Kagenui’s entry was FUCKING BADASS, I mean that woman is actually something else everything considered lol. So yeah, Suicide master is again left “alive”, unlike her pet phrase. Anyway, I think I liked all the arcs equally, but Sengoku’s arc would take the cake. When all is said and done, quite a last few weeks it were with this series coming back. If anything, my liking for this series and these characters have only gone up… … despite the fact that we didn’t actually see some of the characters I was actually really looking forward to seeing(I mean they BROUGHT BACK SENJOUGAHARA BUT NOT HANEKAWA?!?!?!??!?!?!?) , though hey, there’s still stuff to adapt, so it ain’t like it’s the end. This show can run on forever, and yeah won’t get bored. So yeah, I hope we’ll get the stuff we skipped and the new stuff pretty soon:) |
Softhenic03Oct 19, 6:35 AM
Oct 19, 6:54 AM
#3
Araragi in a pijama was a interesting sight, the girls where having a lot of fun with him. And we finally get to see Senjogahara again we heard her voice in one of the previous arcs but we didn't see her so this is nice. And the case seems to be solved making me wonder what we will get next. |
Oct 19, 6:59 AM
#4
Gahara-san is back let's goooooooo. Need more Monogatari fast. Musubimonogatari when? |
Oct 19, 7:30 AM
#5
Haven't watched it yet but, is this the last episode of this cour? |
Oct 19, 7:37 AM
#6
Reply to WraFh
Haven't watched it yet but, is this the last episode of this cour?
@WraFh It isn't updated on MAL yet but yes, it is the final episode Edit: It got updated |
SkullCruncher23Oct 19, 7:52 AM
Oct 19, 8:01 AM
#7
Took the entire season but she's here! Also true best girl was Koyomin all along? |
MavuikaOct 19, 9:41 AM
Oct 19, 8:02 AM
#8
It's eat or be eaten, as the say. Very nice season with some awesome arcs, my favorite was the one with Ononoki and Nadeko. Will there be another season later ? |
Oct 19, 8:15 AM
#9
my glorious queen senjougahara is finally here and this season has finally peaked!! damn i didn't even know this was ending today lmao, now we wait for the next one but hopefully not too long because it was great to have monogatari back. |
Oct 19, 8:17 AM
#10
I genuinely thought she was going to follow in Araragi's footsteps and take Suicide master as a servant like with Shinobu lol All in all, this was a nice continuation to the monogatari series. I enjoyed this season |
Oct 19, 8:30 AM
#11
Great series, already miss them, hopefully the next season comes soon enough. |
Oct 19, 8:43 AM
#14
Sad to see monogatari leave but I hope it will return soon. Can't believe he rode a bike all the way back to Kanbaru 's house in those pj's no less. Don't know if it's the sunlight or something but Senjougahara's hair color is throwing me off. And wow what change in Shinobu's mindset. A year and a half ago she would've said humans are just food and now they are monsters. |
Oct 19, 8:45 AM
#15
Right. Was hoping to see her pop up. Maybe next time. |
Oct 19, 8:48 AM
#16
Araragi looked good in girls pajamas, yeah. Those girls weren't lying when they said they were all tall, like 185cm wow. Where do I find such girls irl? Also one of their preferred play wasn't like the rest of them, Kanbaru lol. So it was Harimazeya after all. She had her reasons but Kagenui was merciless. Good to see her as well. In the shortime since Deathtopia was introduced I've come to like her character quite a lot and hope the best for her even though what's said that'll happen. And our girl is back. Senjougahara sama! Loved watching her even if it was for only a few minutes. So we just didn't get to see Hanekawa chan this season. Loved having more Monogatari again. Nademonogatari was okay except the conclusion episode which was great. As for Shinobumonogatari, it's simply Monogatari at it's best as always whenever it's focusing on Kiss-Shot. Hoping to see the rest of the novels adapted as well. Till then peace peace! |
Oct 19, 9:02 AM
#17
I enjoyed the Sengoku arc more, mostly because I got to see my girl Ononoki in action again. As others have said, it would have been nice to see Hanekawa as well, but I guess there's always next time. As for the Shinobu arc, I understand most of what happened except why Kie Harimaze's blood was poisonous in the first place. Did she have some ancient curse? Is it just because she was that depressed that it affected her on a molecular level? Did they mention why this was and I just glazed over it, or was it just clearer in the light novel? |
Oct 19, 9:05 AM
#18
How is this the last episode, they didn't even adapt all of Off Season, let alone anything from monster season?? |
Oct 19, 9:12 AM
#19
The real culprit is revealed, with the mystery being solved... A pretty good episode to end off this arc and this season, with Deathtopia meeting the real culprit in Kie, and fully expecting to die by her hand. It was nice seeing Kagenui again to save the day, and more importantly, Hitagi made her grand return as well. Overall, this was a continuation to a franchise that I thought was finished in terms of anime adaptations, so it was a pleasant surprise seeing more of this series after so many years. The first half of this series, especially Nadeko Draw, was extremely enjoyable and developed Nadeko incredibly well, but admittedly, the second half with the stories around Deathtopia and Shinobu, were a little less intriguing, and even with the return of Araragi, the last arc felt a bit flat to me. It was still a solid season, but not among my favourites in the franchise. Definitely looking forward to seeing some of the skipped stories being adapted, and I'm sure there will be more to come. Hopefully, the wait won't be too long. |
Oct 19, 10:16 AM
#20
Hitagi first appearance after so long wiafioafiavneavbeibdsn |
sup dumbo |
Oct 19, 10:29 AM
#21
If I had to rank the arcs from worst to best, it'd go Acerola-Bon-Appateite->Tsukihi Undo->Shinobu Mustard->Nadeko Draw Honestly didn't really care about Shinobu's backstory, but this season was worth it just for Nademonogatari, such an incredible arc, and in my opinion, one of the best arcs in the franchise. Shinobu Mustard wasn't bad, but it was a step down from Nademonogatari. I can't wait for the next cour, they gotta adapt arcs like Sodachi Bonehead, Tsubasa Sleeping, and Karen Ogre |
Oct 19, 10:48 AM
#22
Reply to Rorek
8/10
but
Disappointment that we didn't see Hanekawa
but
Disappointment that we didn't see Hanekawa
@Rorek max that we got was her mention by that girl previous ep ._. |
Oct 19, 10:59 AM
#24
And of course it ends with Kie. And I finally figured why this arc felt off, other than it fitting a kind of twist heavy narrative. The world has changed. It is, in a way, a completely different world. Things remain from the past, but they're not the same. Araragi is not the same, not just because he has long hair now. Kie hated that nothing was changing for her. She was not a part of her own world. She was depressed, angry and lost. Araragi had forgot how it felt. So had Gaen and Shinobu and even Mayoi too. But who didn't forget? Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master. Kesshi nishite, hisshi nishte, banshi no Kyuuketsuki. The oldest one of all of them by far. After so long, she understood Kie. And Kie felt understood. That's why she respected Suicide master. The way she plunged herself to death was not dissimilar to the way Kie plunged herself into her fangs. Their talk was, of course, the climax of this arc. And not only because of the writing, but because Shaft went all out and delivered the best visual storytelling this entire season. As Kie and Suicide-Master discussed different subjects, the colors shifted accordingly. The beginning was surface level. It was colorful, beautiful as we know it. It was not only easy to understand, it was close to the viewer. The real world. On the topic of fate, of death, of throwing yourself away, it became dark. It all went grey, but the characters still left some splashes of color around them. This world seemed cold and sad. But for them, there was something vibrant, something personal, something much more real there. It was their world, they could navigate it, they could live there. This was when Kie gained her respect for Suicide-Master. The colors aligned. When Suicide-Master talks of the past, it becomes truly desaturated. It's distant, like an old movie. Looking back, it's hard to see the reality in it. As if the means to stage it with full immersion are missing. The world of the past is purely a world of old stories. And of course, in the end, it all collides. As Kie walks through blood under the Bloodmoon, the splashes become colorful and chaotic. There's emotion, complexity and reality in the blood. Blood here being of course the blood of life. The blood that vampires need to survive, but also the blood that everyone needs to truly live. The blood of a real world, of your world, of color and of a chaotic truth. The blood of hardships, of failure, of success and of beauty. The blood in blood, sweat and tears. This season was about growing up, about moving forward and about being unable to do so. We saw a rather comedic, rather fun and somewhat surface level depiction in Tsukihi Undo. Where Nadeko has a goal and values hardships as they bring her forward, Ononoki doesn't understand them and for Tsukihi, they simply don't exist. Nadeko has her own arc in which she closes the chapters of her past to make room for the future. Acerola leaves her past behind, but without a view into the future. What that amounts too... well we all know how Kizu went. Deathtopia has reached her future that she invisioned and is thus alright with ending her tale. For Kie on the other hand, neither past nor future exist. There's nothing about herself that she values and nothing she hopes to accomplish. And as fate strikes, she finds herself in a different world, a world to where she can escape her painful existence. A world where, instead of herself, others suffer the violence inside her. Lastly, Araragi and Senjougahara face the future. For Senjou, it is easy. She has already moved on, she has learned that her weight is part of her, that her feelings are valid and that she can trust herself. For Araragi, it's not so simple. He still hangs in the past. There's an uncomfortable look on his face as he realizes that he is clingy. Neither Yozuru, nor Gaen, nor Senjou, nor he himself are proven wrong. But we've certainly seem Nadeko proven right. But hey, a flawed Araragi is a true Araragi. Monogatari, I love you. I truly do. |
YorrickOct 19, 11:06 AM
Oct 19, 11:10 AM
#25
Queen Gahara finally makes her appearance. She's really grown and has matured to a point that she not only feels but looks older than Araragi who acknowledges that he's still a kid in some ways. But did they change the colour of her hair or was it the light that was shining on it? Look forward to some more Monogatari soon. I'd really like to see how Hanekawa's doing. |
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Oct 19, 11:14 AM
#26
It was a pretty tame ending, with more obligation to obtain a closure than a catharsis. The age-old "humans are monsters" is used at last in this franchise. I feel DVS was a semi-wasted character with her deportation. I liked the use of Gaen in these episodes - she's more likeable than in the main series. They also established Kagenui as an adult because she's prepared to do the bloody work herself and take responsibility. I did like the closure and pacing of the Nadeko arc more and Princess Acerola's backstory was visually most delectable. Here there was most promise, but I feel the adolescence problem alienating Araragi odd; there was not enough emphasis on what "constancy" brings to the table. Does the fact humans change so easily when exposed to external pressure make them the most dangerous? Pajamaragi needed to be seen by certain other cast members :3 |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Oct 19, 11:41 AM
#27
Honestly this was a pretty lame arc, all things considered. Feels like big waste of potential with tons of padding and a very rushed ending. Dragged season down a lot. |
Oct 19, 11:53 AM
#28
Is this the end of the arc? I want to watch it in one sitting |
Oct 19, 12:05 PM
#29
Didn't think I'd see Araragi wearing girls' clothes again but here we are. Wait one of the bodies was switched? That's the one part I'm still confused about. Maybe I would've understood better if I didn't watch this weekly. Remembering the names of the new girls is tough cause there are so many of them. But I'm guessing the main culprit was the first "victim" all along. The talk between Kie and Suicide-Master was interesting. But it felt like Kie was a fake (nisemono) pretending to be the real thing. That was interesting. Kagenui's appearance was so random. It was kinda cute seeing Shinobu and Hachikuji rush in to save Araragi when Kie was attacking him. In the end, I guess Kagenui convinced her to return to being a human and de-mummify the other victims. FINALLY SENJOUGAHARA PROPER APPEARANCE. Feels weird to see her again after so long. But it's good to see her. Wait, this has ended already? I thought it skipped a bunch of stories to get here. Guessing there will probably be another cour or two later. Sucks to wait but it was gonna happen eventually. |
Oct 19, 12:30 PM
#30
Oct 19, 12:40 PM
#31
Oct 19, 12:50 PM
#32
That's it? Well I'm not too satisfied with the conclusion but that was overall a nice season. Is Senjougahara a brunette now? |
Oct 19, 1:20 PM
#33
So...Araragi's story will continue, that's what i got from the end. Anyway, LOGN HAIR GAHARA IS BACK and that's all that matters |
Oct 19, 1:32 PM
#34
I don't know about you, but Araragi in pigtails while wearing women's pyjamas somehow looks good on him. XD Still, at least he was able to reach to the conclusion about who was the real culprit all along, which was Kie Harimaze. Her and Deathtopia had a proper interesting conversation, which did highlight the reasons why Kie is doing what she wants to do, but I'm glad that Kagenui finally dropped in, literally, to sort her out. With all of that wrapped up, it was nice to see Senjougahara at long last, looking as beautiful as ever as she conversed with Araragi about his recent events of this arc. Admittedly, I didn't expect this episode to be the final one, but it does give me hope that more of the novels can be adapted in the near future. As for Off & Monster Season, it was a great return as to why I really liked this franchise a lot. Nadeko Draw is my favourite arc for this season with how solid her character development was, but Shinobu Mustard was also fun and enjoyable arc to watch all the way through. 9/10 |
Oct 19, 2:07 PM
#35
no comment, speechless |
Oct 19, 2:36 PM
#37
what an ending, loved the final scene with senjougahara, and araragis monologue too, This season really was one of the best of monogatari, had amazing animation, new concepts and adult araragi just peak |
Oct 19, 2:46 PM
#38
Nice episode to close off this seasons! Howerver ngl I didn't understand what Gaen meant towards the end, could someone explain? |
Oct 19, 3:29 PM
#39
And so ends the most recent season of Monogatari. Definitely another one to rewatch many times. This last arc showed again why Monogatari has the mystery genre, with some last episode twists which were already foreshadowed in earlier episodes but you could only catch if you really paid attention. Shaft also again shows why they're the one to animate shows like Monogatari, amplifying the climax in the dialogue between Harimaze Kie and Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master. Just like in Zoku Owarimonogatari, Hitagi returns in the epilogue to reflect on the arc with Koyomi. Despite everything Koyomi has gone through so far, he still has plenty room for growth left. |
Oct 19, 3:38 PM
#40
oh wow I didn't know this would be the last episode, I enjoyed it so much, was hoping it would be bigger. Also wow Hitagi's new look is amazing, so nice to see her again. Hopefully next sequel won't take too long, I missed monogatari so much! Anyway this was pute 10/10. |
Oct 19, 4:27 PM
#41
This is EASILY one of the worst arc in the entire franchise in a narrative standpoint and I'm glad the rating survey reflects that. First and foremost, this was the most evident mystery you could possibly ever write which was obvious from the very FIRST scene of the arc. I'm not even going to argue around it and I'll just straight up copy the shit I've said on /a/. From the introduction scene where you see Kie having a mental breakdown about being part of the basketball club before meeting Deathtopia and finally smirking upon the scene's conclusion getting cut off you HAVE TO KNOW she's the real culprit behind EVERYTHING coming afterwards and everything else is a red herring. It's simple, if she wasn't the culprit, then that scene was basically pointless, this is called the reciprocity of Chekhov's gun narrative principle. Meaning there was no other way but for her to be the vampire behind everything, major problem is the entire arc is focused on finding the culprit causing the mummification and there is absolutely nothing else going on beside that, no clever and funny banter, no philosophical reflexions and of course no important character progress or self-reflection, mainly because those idiots and Shaft cut the most important part of RRRG/Kagenui end dialogue which carried the entire arc narrative. The only thing you conclude from finishing this arc is that you got cucked of the possibility of a good story, "was that all for nothing?" Shinobumonogatari doesn't immediatly follows Waza in the novels, but here in the anime, which rearranged greatly the arc orders, it did. Therefore what you expect is for the narrative to organically flow from one arc to another as it was Shaft INTENDED purpose. Unfortunately, the main focus of Waza Kiss shot and Deathtopia are an absolutely joke in this arc, both from their initial personality and in their role in the story. I've already treated Shinobu last episode's thread, she does nothing in the arc, she's barely a lore mouthpiece, she's carried around by RRRG only for her to be there and have reactions. She has absolutely ZERO involvement in DVS resurrection as princess Acerola (NOT SHINOBU) from the heaven gives RRRG her saliva to keep DVS alive, then Gaen, main character of the arc, resurrect DVS with a ritual. She has no involvement in the arc's resolution either as she appears last second before Kagenui cucks her of a fight scene. Her biggest impact is killing RRRG to send him in hell, which doesn't work as he goes in heaven instead AND could have been done by Gaen as she did it once before. Now onto DVS, she is an insult to worldbuilding in this arc. Reminder that Kiss shot Acerola Orion under heart blade is cannonically "Oddity slayer and King of Oddities" and also a creature capable of bringing the apocalypse by herself (see Kabukimonogatari) BUT her master and creator, an immortal pure blood vampire, which lived more than 1000 years, jobs like a bitch to the disgusting blood of a depressed high school girl lmao. Right now without any possible debate, every single oddity had some sort of a powerscale, even if not explained, putting them all in a coherent hierarchy of power. If you want it brief, Oshino Meme can easily keep in check the Heavy stone crab, Kagenui and the rainy devil can easily demolish an unpowered RRRG, loli shinobu easily defeats Black Hanekawa but Nadeko medusa has no problem killing an underpowered Shinobu and that's why she would need to drink RRRG blood to face even Yotsugi, all of that remain perfectly coherent with a ceiling clearly stated as Kiss shot fully powered is basically above everyone. Deathtopia on the other hand, dies from food poisining from a human girl because she's a bit weakened. "Yeah but she's clearly in her weakest state ever, she states she's close to die at the end blablabla" Even if justified (badly because she keeps on living lmao) at the last minute by Nisio doesn't mean it's a compelling narrative. For SIX episodes you would expect of having a more climatic conclusion for a character than just coming into the world to say "hello it's been a while" then fucking off back to nowhere at the end without any catharsis or endearing dialogue. Shinobu and DVS had no dynamic, their meeting was rushed and skipped, there was no gravitas or impact to what you thought the arc was meant to be, their reunion, and what Nisio intended the arc to be is so boring and uninteresting it makes him look like he was trying to write a Monogatari filler. Gaen and Araragi overtook the arc to an excruciating extent for no reason, Gaen is THE plot device of Monogatari, despite being entertaining and cute to hear, her main role is to be an exposition mouthpiece since her introduction, Araragi /our/ protagonist has another issue, he is a solved character after Owari. He has already learnt most of what he can learn as an individual, making him now extremely boring to follow as he just "Watson" his way through the mystery while Gaen does her "Sherlock Holmes". All other girls are there for filling the plot and do not leave much to remember, I'd remind you that the best dialogue of Monogatari ever (don't @ me) is Mayoi and Araragi first discussion in Karen Bee, an arc which Mayoi has no bearing WHATSOEVER. In Shinobu Mustard, Mayoi's, Yotsugi's, Kanbaru's and finally Senjougahara's lines are so devoided of ideas they all appear like a shadow of their characters, they are there to say their catch phrases "oh my kamimashita, oh my erodore, oh my yay peace peace" and nothing else. I also must talk about Kie Harimaze, an antagonist so unimportant she makes Seishirou look like Kaiki in Nisemonogatari. Her main deal is she's part of the basketball club. During this arc, did she interacted with the defacto most important character related to the basketball club Kanbaru Suruga? Not even once. You know what's weird. This arc takes place after Hanamonogatari because Kanbaru has her short haircut, Hanamonogatari, an arc featuring Numachi Rouka, another former member of the basketball club and an INFINITELY MORE interesting antagonist from her reason and worldview to her impact on other characters. Now Kie Harimaze sole impact onto anything was boring me to death when she complains how's the life of an high school girl in a club is SOOOOOOOOO AWFUL, which, if you're an adult like I am, is a complete farce of a statement. If you're an high schooler reading this and you think high school life is awful, just know that the best years of your life end at 18 and every single person you will ever meet will tell you this. In this story as well considering Zoku ends with Araragi cherishing his last high school years but now an entitled girl who couldn't be bothered to leave her club will claim the opposite, I, Am, Laughing. My hate for this arc will not stain my love for the first 3 arcs which all are now in my top5 favorite Monogatari Arcs with Nadeko Medusa and Karen Bee, I'll rate this season a 9/10 with a slight clentch in my stomach. |
James-LastOmnicOct 19, 4:35 PM
Oct 19, 4:36 PM
#42
James-LastOmnic said: This is EASILY one of the worst arc in the entire franchise in a narrative standpoint and I'm glad the rating survey reflects that. First and foremost, this was the most evident mystery you could possibly ever write which was obvious from the very FIRST scene of the arc. I'm not even going to argue around it and I'll just straight up copy the shit I've said on /a/. From the introduction scene where you see Kie having a mental breakdown about being part of the basketball club before meeting Deathtopia and finally smirking upon the scene's conclusion getting cut off you HAVE TO KNOW she's the real culprit behind EVERYTHING coming afterwards and everything else is a red herring. It's simple, if she wasn't the culprit, then that scene was basically pointless, this is called the reciprocity of Chekhov's gun narrative principle. Meaning there was no other way but for her to be the vampire behind everything, major problem is the entire arc is focused on finding the culprit causing the mummification and there is absolutely nothing else going on beside that, no clever and funny banter, no philosophical reflexions and of course no important character progress or self-reflection, mainly because those idiots and Shaft cut the most important part of RRRG/Kagenui end dialogue which carried the entire arc narrative. The only thing you conclude from finishing this arc is that you got cucked of the possibility of a good story, "was that all for nothing?" Shinobumonogatari doesn't immediatly follows Waza in the novels, but here in the anime, which rearranged greatly the arc orders, it did. Therefore what you expect is for the narrative to organically flow from one arc to another as it was Shaft INTENDED purpose. Unfortunately, the main focus of Waza Kiss shot and Deathtopia are an absolutely joke in this arc, both from their initial personality and in their role in the story. I've already treated Shinobu last episode's thread, she does nothing in the arc, she's barely a lore mouthpiece, she's carried around by RRRG only for her to be there and have reactions. She has absolutely ZERO involvement in DVS resurrection as princess Acerola (NOT SHINOBU) from the heaven gives RRRG her saliva to keep DVS alive, then Gaen, main character of the arc, resurrect DVS with a ritual. She has no involvement in the arc's resolution either as she appears last second before Kagenui cucks her of a fight scene. Her biggest impact is killing RRRG to send him in hell, which doesn't work as he goes in heaven instead AND could have been done by Gaen as she did it once before. Now onto DVS, she is an insult to worldbuilding in this arc. Reminder that Kiss shot Acerola Orion under heart blade is cannonically "Oddity slayer and King of Oddities" and also a creature capable of bringing the apocalypse by herself (see Kabukimonogatari) BUT her master and creator, an immortal pure blood vampire, which lived more than 1000 years, jobs like a bitch to the disgusting blood of a depressed high school girl lmao. Right now without any possible debate, every single oddity had some sort of a powerscale, even if not explained, putting them all in a coherent hierarchy of power. If you want it brief, Oshino Meme can easily keep in check the Heavy stone crab, Kagenui and the rainy devil can easily demolish an unpowered RRRG, loli shinobu easily defeats Black Hanekawa but Nadeko medusa has no problem killing an underpowered Shinobu and that's why she would need to drink RRRG blood to face even Yotsugi, all of that remain perfectly coherent with a ceiling clearly stated as Kiss shot fully powered is basically above everyone. Deathtopia on the other hand, dies from food poisining from a human girl because she's a bit weakened. "Yeah but she's clearly in her weakest state ever, she states she's close to die at the end blablabla" Even if justified (badly because she keeps on living lmao) at the last minute by Nisio doesn't mean it's a compelling narrative. For SIX episodes you would expect of having a more climatic conclusion for a character than just coming into the world to say "hello it's been a while" then fucking off back to nowhere at the end without any catharsis or endearing dialogue. Shinobu and DVS had no dynamic, their meeting was rushed and skipped, there was no gravitas or impact to what you thought the arc was meant to be, their reunion, and what Nisio intended the arc to be is so boring and uninteresting it makes him look like he was trying to write a Monogatari filler. Gaen and Araragi overtook the arc to an excruciating extent for no reason, Gaen is THE plot device of Monogatari, despite being entertaining and cute to hear, her main role is to be an exposition mouthpiece since her introduction, Araragi /our/ protagonist has another issue, he is a solved character after Owari. He has already learnt most of what he can learn as an individual, making him now extremely boring to follow as he just "Watson" his way through the mystery while Gaen does her "Sherlock Holmes". All other girls are there for filling the plot and do not leave much to remember, I'd remind you that the best dialogue of Monogatari ever (don't @ me) is Mayoi and Araragi first discussion in Karen Bee, an arc which Mayoi has no bearing WHATSOEVER. In Shinobu Mustard, Mayoi's, Yotsugi's, Kanbaru's and finally Senjougahara's lines are so devoided of ideas they all appear like a shadow of their characters, they are there to say their catch phrases "oh my kamimashita, oh my erodore, oh my yay peace peace" and nothing else. I also must talk about Kie Harimaze, an antagonist so unimportant she makes Seishirou look like Kaiki in Nisemonogatari. Her main deal is she's part of the basketball club. During this arc, did she interacted with the defacto most important character related to the basketball club Kanbaru Suruga? Not even once. You know what's weird. This arc takes place after Hanamonogatari because Kanbaru has her short haircut, Hanamonogatari, an arc featuring Numachi Rouka, another former member of the basketball club and an INFINITELY MORE interesting antagonist from her reason and worldview to her impact on other characters. Now Kie Harimaze sole impact onto anything was boring me to death when she complains how's the life of an high school girl in a club is SOOOOOOOOO AWFUL, which, if you're an adult like I am, is a complete farce of a statement. If you're an high schooler reading this and you think high school life is awful, just know that the best years of your life end at 18 and every single person you will ever meet will tell you this. In this story as well considering Zoku ends with Araragi cherishing his last high school years but now an entitled girl who couldn't be bothered to leave her club will claim the opposite, I, Am, Laughing. My hate for this arc will not stain my love for the first 3 arcs which all are now in my top5 favorite Monogatari Arcs with Nadeko Medusa and Karen Bee, I'll rate this season a 9/10 with a slight clentch in my stomach. Tf? Who's gonna read all that? You ok bro? |
Oct 19, 4:50 PM
#43
Reply to GTRaijin
James-LastOmnic said:
This is EASILY one of the worst arc in the entire franchise in a narrative standpoint and I'm glad the rating survey reflects that.
First and foremost, this was the most evident mystery you could possibly ever write which was obvious from the very FIRST scene of the arc. I'm not even going to argue around it and I'll just straight up copy the shit I've said on /a/.
From the introduction scene where you see Kie having a mental breakdown about being part of the basketball club before meeting Deathtopia and finally smirking upon the scene's conclusion getting cut off you HAVE TO KNOW she's the real culprit behind EVERYTHING coming afterwards and everything else is a red herring. It's simple, if she wasn't the culprit, then that scene was basically pointless, this is called the reciprocity of Chekhov's gun narrative principle. Meaning there was no other way but for her to be the vampire behind everything, major problem is the entire arc is focused on finding the culprit causing the mummification and there is absolutely nothing else going on beside that, no clever and funny banter, no philosophical reflexions and of course no important character progress or self-reflection, mainly because those idiots and Shaft cut the most important part of RRRG/Kagenui end dialogue which carried the entire arc narrative.
The only thing you conclude from finishing this arc is that you got cucked of the possibility of a good story, "was that all for nothing?"
Shinobumonogatari doesn't immediatly follows Waza in the novels, but here in the anime, which rearranged greatly the arc orders, it did. Therefore what you expect is for the narrative to organically flow from one arc to another as it was Shaft INTENDED purpose. Unfortunately, the main focus of Waza Kiss shot and Deathtopia are an absolutely joke in this arc, both from their initial personality and in their role in the story. I've already treated Shinobu last episode's thread, she does nothing in the arc, she's barely a lore mouthpiece, she's carried around by RRRG only for her to be there and have reactions. She has absolutely ZERO involvement in DVS resurrection as princess Acerola (NOT SHINOBU) from the heaven gives RRRG her saliva to keep DVS alive, then Gaen, main character of the arc, resurrect DVS with a ritual. She has no involvement in the arc's resolution either as she appears last second before Kagenui cucks her of a fight scene. Her biggest impact is killing RRRG to send him in hell, which doesn't work as he goes in heaven instead AND could have been done by Gaen as she did it once before.
Now onto DVS, she is an insult to worldbuilding in this arc. Reminder that Kiss shot Acerola Orion under heart blade is cannonically "Oddity slayer and King of Oddities" and also a creature capable of bringing the apocalypse by herself (see Kabukimonogatari) BUT her master and creator, an immortal pure blood vampire, which lived more than 1000 years, jobs like a bitch to the disgusting blood of a depressed high school girl lmao. Right now without any possible debate, every single oddity had some sort of a powerscale, even if not explained, putting them all in a coherent hierarchy of power. If you want it brief, Oshino Meme can easily keep in check the Heavy stone crab, Kagenui and the rainy devil can easily demolish an unpowered RRRG, loli shinobu easily defeats Black Hanekawa but Nadeko medusa has no problem killing an underpowered Shinobu and that's why she would need to drink RRRG blood to face even Yotsugi, all of that remain perfectly coherent with a ceiling clearly stated as Kiss shot fully powered is basically above everyone. Deathtopia on the other hand, dies from food poisining from a human girl because she's a bit weakened. "Yeah but she's clearly in her weakest state ever, she states she's close to die at the end blablabla" Even if justified (badly because she keeps on living lmao) at the last minute by Nisio doesn't mean it's a compelling narrative. For SIX episodes you would expect of having a more climatic conclusion for a character than just coming into the world to say "hello it's been a while" then fucking off back to nowhere at the end without any catharsis or endearing dialogue. Shinobu and DVS had no dynamic, their meeting was rushed and skipped, there was no gravitas or impact to what you thought the arc was meant to be, their reunion, and what Nisio intended the arc to be is so boring and uninteresting it makes him look like he was trying to write a Monogatari filler.
Gaen and Araragi overtook the arc to an excruciating extent for no reason, Gaen is THE plot device of Monogatari, despite being entertaining and cute to hear, her main role is to be an exposition mouthpiece since her introduction, Araragi /our/ protagonist has another issue, he is a solved character after Owari. He has already learnt most of what he can learn as an individual, making him now extremely boring to follow as he just "Watson" his way through the mystery while Gaen does her "Sherlock Holmes". All other girls are there for filling the plot and do not leave much to remember, I'd remind you that the best dialogue of Monogatari ever (don't @ me) is Mayoi and Araragi first discussion in Karen Bee, an arc which Mayoi has no bearing WHATSOEVER. In Shinobu Mustard, Mayoi's, Yotsugi's, Kanbaru's and finally Senjougahara's lines are so devoided of ideas they all appear like a shadow of their characters, they are there to say their catch phrases "oh my kamimashita, oh my erodore, oh my yay peace peace" and nothing else.
I also must talk about Kie Harimaze, an antagonist so unimportant she makes Seishirou look like Kaiki in Nisemonogatari. Her main deal is she's part of the basketball club. During this arc, did she interacted with the defacto most important character related to the basketball club Kanbaru Suruga? Not even once. You know what's weird. This arc takes place after Hanamonogatari because Kanbaru has her short haircut, Hanamonogatari, an arc featuring Numachi Rouka, another former member of the basketball club and an INFINITELY MORE interesting antagonist from her reason and worldview to her impact on other characters.
Now Kie Harimaze sole impact onto anything was boring me to death when she complains how's the life of an high school girl in a club is SOOOOOOOOO AWFUL, which, if you're an adult like I am, is a complete farce of a statement. If you're an high schooler reading this and you think high school life is awful, just know that the best years of your life end at 18 and every single person you will ever meet will tell you this. In this story as well considering Zoku ends with Araragi cherishing his last high school years but now an entitled girl who couldn't be bothered to leave her club will claim the opposite, I, Am, Laughing.
My hate for this arc will not stain my love for the first 3 arcs which all are now in my top5 favorite Monogatari Arcs with Nadeko Medusa and Karen Bee, I'll rate this season a 9/10 with a slight clentch in my stomach.
This is EASILY one of the worst arc in the entire franchise in a narrative standpoint and I'm glad the rating survey reflects that.
First and foremost, this was the most evident mystery you could possibly ever write which was obvious from the very FIRST scene of the arc. I'm not even going to argue around it and I'll just straight up copy the shit I've said on /a/.
From the introduction scene where you see Kie having a mental breakdown about being part of the basketball club before meeting Deathtopia and finally smirking upon the scene's conclusion getting cut off you HAVE TO KNOW she's the real culprit behind EVERYTHING coming afterwards and everything else is a red herring. It's simple, if she wasn't the culprit, then that scene was basically pointless, this is called the reciprocity of Chekhov's gun narrative principle. Meaning there was no other way but for her to be the vampire behind everything, major problem is the entire arc is focused on finding the culprit causing the mummification and there is absolutely nothing else going on beside that, no clever and funny banter, no philosophical reflexions and of course no important character progress or self-reflection, mainly because those idiots and Shaft cut the most important part of RRRG/Kagenui end dialogue which carried the entire arc narrative.
The only thing you conclude from finishing this arc is that you got cucked of the possibility of a good story, "was that all for nothing?"
Shinobumonogatari doesn't immediatly follows Waza in the novels, but here in the anime, which rearranged greatly the arc orders, it did. Therefore what you expect is for the narrative to organically flow from one arc to another as it was Shaft INTENDED purpose. Unfortunately, the main focus of Waza Kiss shot and Deathtopia are an absolutely joke in this arc, both from their initial personality and in their role in the story. I've already treated Shinobu last episode's thread, she does nothing in the arc, she's barely a lore mouthpiece, she's carried around by RRRG only for her to be there and have reactions. She has absolutely ZERO involvement in DVS resurrection as princess Acerola (NOT SHINOBU) from the heaven gives RRRG her saliva to keep DVS alive, then Gaen, main character of the arc, resurrect DVS with a ritual. She has no involvement in the arc's resolution either as she appears last second before Kagenui cucks her of a fight scene. Her biggest impact is killing RRRG to send him in hell, which doesn't work as he goes in heaven instead AND could have been done by Gaen as she did it once before.
Now onto DVS, she is an insult to worldbuilding in this arc. Reminder that Kiss shot Acerola Orion under heart blade is cannonically "Oddity slayer and King of Oddities" and also a creature capable of bringing the apocalypse by herself (see Kabukimonogatari) BUT her master and creator, an immortal pure blood vampire, which lived more than 1000 years, jobs like a bitch to the disgusting blood of a depressed high school girl lmao. Right now without any possible debate, every single oddity had some sort of a powerscale, even if not explained, putting them all in a coherent hierarchy of power. If you want it brief, Oshino Meme can easily keep in check the Heavy stone crab, Kagenui and the rainy devil can easily demolish an unpowered RRRG, loli shinobu easily defeats Black Hanekawa but Nadeko medusa has no problem killing an underpowered Shinobu and that's why she would need to drink RRRG blood to face even Yotsugi, all of that remain perfectly coherent with a ceiling clearly stated as Kiss shot fully powered is basically above everyone. Deathtopia on the other hand, dies from food poisining from a human girl because she's a bit weakened. "Yeah but she's clearly in her weakest state ever, she states she's close to die at the end blablabla" Even if justified (badly because she keeps on living lmao) at the last minute by Nisio doesn't mean it's a compelling narrative. For SIX episodes you would expect of having a more climatic conclusion for a character than just coming into the world to say "hello it's been a while" then fucking off back to nowhere at the end without any catharsis or endearing dialogue. Shinobu and DVS had no dynamic, their meeting was rushed and skipped, there was no gravitas or impact to what you thought the arc was meant to be, their reunion, and what Nisio intended the arc to be is so boring and uninteresting it makes him look like he was trying to write a Monogatari filler.
Gaen and Araragi overtook the arc to an excruciating extent for no reason, Gaen is THE plot device of Monogatari, despite being entertaining and cute to hear, her main role is to be an exposition mouthpiece since her introduction, Araragi /our/ protagonist has another issue, he is a solved character after Owari. He has already learnt most of what he can learn as an individual, making him now extremely boring to follow as he just "Watson" his way through the mystery while Gaen does her "Sherlock Holmes". All other girls are there for filling the plot and do not leave much to remember, I'd remind you that the best dialogue of Monogatari ever (don't @ me) is Mayoi and Araragi first discussion in Karen Bee, an arc which Mayoi has no bearing WHATSOEVER. In Shinobu Mustard, Mayoi's, Yotsugi's, Kanbaru's and finally Senjougahara's lines are so devoided of ideas they all appear like a shadow of their characters, they are there to say their catch phrases "oh my kamimashita, oh my erodore, oh my yay peace peace" and nothing else.
I also must talk about Kie Harimaze, an antagonist so unimportant she makes Seishirou look like Kaiki in Nisemonogatari. Her main deal is she's part of the basketball club. During this arc, did she interacted with the defacto most important character related to the basketball club Kanbaru Suruga? Not even once. You know what's weird. This arc takes place after Hanamonogatari because Kanbaru has her short haircut, Hanamonogatari, an arc featuring Numachi Rouka, another former member of the basketball club and an INFINITELY MORE interesting antagonist from her reason and worldview to her impact on other characters.
Now Kie Harimaze sole impact onto anything was boring me to death when she complains how's the life of an high school girl in a club is SOOOOOOOOO AWFUL, which, if you're an adult like I am, is a complete farce of a statement. If you're an high schooler reading this and you think high school life is awful, just know that the best years of your life end at 18 and every single person you will ever meet will tell you this. In this story as well considering Zoku ends with Araragi cherishing his last high school years but now an entitled girl who couldn't be bothered to leave her club will claim the opposite, I, Am, Laughing.
My hate for this arc will not stain my love for the first 3 arcs which all are now in my top5 favorite Monogatari Arcs with Nadeko Medusa and Karen Bee, I'll rate this season a 9/10 with a slight clentch in my stomach.
Tf? Who's gonna read all that? You ok bro?
@GTRaijin I write analytical essays about media I consumed. You're free to not take part in the argument if you're not willing to or do not have the mental capacity to do so. My thanks. |
Oct 19, 5:26 PM
#44
Soooo... Why is this season called "Off & Monster" when there was no Monster Season adapted? lmao |
Oct 19, 5:42 PM
#45
I need moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
Oct 19, 5:42 PM
#46
Reply to pilotinha_
Soooo... Why is this season called "Off & Monster" when there was no Monster Season adapted? lmao
@pilotinha_ Shinobumonogatari is literally from Monster season. They'll adapt the rest of Off and Monster eventually |
Oct 19, 6:27 PM
#47
I feel pretty good about this final episode twist since I managed to catch it last week lol, a lot of folks on last episode’s thread just kinda accepted who the “culprit” was, being Kiseki, but I know there were a handful like me that noticed the inconsistency in what was shown at the start of the arc and who the show was saying was the prime suspect now, I was also told that this was a case of Araragi being an unreliable narrator, but thankfully that wasn’t the case and there actually was more to be revealed in the finale, so yeah I feel good rn lol. Yeah it was Kie Harimaze after all, her design as a vampire was pretty hot, and turns out she actually wanted to become a vampire and Suicide-Master lied about wanting to look good for Shinobu, yeah that makes sense when you recall Kie’s expression after meeting Suicide-Master. But Kie fucked up tho, she took too long in deciding to eat Suicide-Master and ultimately went after Araragi, and even that was too late when Kagenui came crashing down on her, I was wondering if she’d ever show up since they teased her before, badass entrance I gotta say. It’s honestly funny too, because Kie was over here with her maximum edge talking about how she’s saving people and how she’s done with adolescence, basically what happens when you give an edgy teen power, and then she got shut down lol. I’m sure there’s truth to what she said but come on, your in high school lol, and thankfully she did apparently go back to being human to save those she harmed, I would’ve been a bit upset if this ended without saving the mummy girls, I just wish we could have seen them back to normal for more of a payoff. And at the end was what everyone is harping about, the return of Senjougahara, I like her a lot but I don’t go crazy for her lol, she by no means stole the episode, but it was nice to see her again after all this time. And that was it for the return of Monogatari after 5 years or so, 2019 was actually when I first got into this series but stopped after finishing Nekomonogatari, but the announcement of this new season got me to return to the series this year and finish all of what I didn’t back then, so in a way it has been nearly 5 years for me too even if I finished everything right before this season began lol. And this was another banger, I really enjoyed it, Shaft has shown they still got it with this series and did an amazing job, I really enjoyed all the arcs within too, I do kinda wish they all could have been focused on side characters with Araragi being a supporting character, but I guess one of the arcs being with him as MC is fine, hard to not love him lol, but my favorite arc of this season was without a doubt Nadeko Draw, I just really enjoyed Nadeko as MC and her duo with Ononoki was a lot of fun, they made a great pair, the focus on all the past Nadekos was really cool too. And the OPs and ED of this season were all once again great, YOASOBI’s ED isn’t as great as past EDs imo but it really grew on me over time and I jam out to it every time it comes on now lol, and Nadeko’s OP was such a bop and Shinobu’s was probably one of her coolest ones. I really hope we can get a continuation of this since I’m seeing that there’s still more from both Off & Monster Season to be adapted, but in the mean time I will probably rewatch the First Season content which I haven’t seen since 2019, should be a nostalgic time. |
TheColonel76Oct 19, 6:31 PM
Oct 19, 6:34 PM
#48
Loved the scene with Senjougahara and Araragi at the end there. The arc as a whole though, kind of a mixed bag for me. I absolutely loved the Tsukihi Undo episode, loved the Princess Acerola episodes, found the Nadeko Draw arc to be good (not great to start off with) but end with a fantastic payoff. And Shinobu Mustard to have a couple good moments but be an arc I was a bit indifferent to all things considered. So overall, sounds like a good season but definitely one that I wouldn't call my favorite season of Monogatari by any means. Probably more mixed bag episodes than I would have imagined with this franchise so due to that, probably will rate this a high 7/10. I will miss it and SHAFT did do very well, just some arcs or portions of arcs from this season were not as interesting or emotionally grabbing conversation-wise as earlier entries from this franchise. |
Oct 19, 6:55 PM
#49
Yeah this arc definitely fell flat near the end, but overall it was relatively enjoyable. DVS/Acerola backstory was far more interesting. I didn't realize this was the last episode though. Sadness |
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