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May 18, 8:47 AM
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Piromysl said:
ChaChaVan said:
I can't wait to receive a reply saying that, "he's a fictional character, he's not a real person uhuhuhuuu!" The only advice I can give y'all is to get some fuc*ing psychiatric help if you think watching lolicon hen*ai is okay too.

Disappointed that noone is taking a bait? ๐Ÿ˜‚

More like no one has can actually think of a valid argument ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
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ChaChaVan said:
Piromysl said:

Disappointed that noone is taking a bait? ๐Ÿ˜‚

More like no one has can actually think of a valid argument ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Nah. Just point out how cute it is that you so desperately try to provoke someone, but your takes are so unhinged and aggressive that is way too obvious for anyone to take your seriously. ๐Ÿคฃ Seriously, do better.

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Piromysl said:
ChaChaVan said:

More like no one has can actually think of a valid argument ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Nah. Just point out how cute it is that you so desperately try to provoke someone, but your takes are so unhinged and aggressive that is way too obvious for anyone to take your seriously. ๐Ÿคฃ Seriously, do better.

You're so infantile, just what I expected from someone who defends ped*philia, thanks for proving me right
May 18, 8:56 AM
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these mushoku tensei fans are really unhinged
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@Abomination_suah First. Who's "it" that treats it as a joke? Punch yourself in the balls if it is so funny to you. He puts his hands where it is not allowed - he gets beating for it. What else would be reasonable punishment, international tribunal?
Second. He never tried to rape anyone.
Third. He does feel bad after crossing the line with Eris, he literally says that he lost himself, went too far and needs to apologize. Very selective memory about his inner monologues you have.
Fourth. Yes, he had loving family, and where it is now? Not around. But stupid panties that he stupidly stole are right there. When you have nothing, you use what you can to survive. It is enough to understand why it is important to him, it doesn't need to be important to you.

The "it" is the author and how the anime represents the sexual assault Rudeus acts onto the girls. The anime is like "aha, so he got a nose bleed from trying to rape someone, this is so funny, look at him" instead of actually showing how fucke* up any of that is.

- How about instead of the tribunal, he could have an actual character development!!! yeah I know, I know... this might sound crazy to you but how about if he actually reflected on those mistakes, (maybe through an internal monologue since the anime also loves to do it so much) but this time about how much of a piece of shit realising his wrongs for not only trying, but he actually groped her breasts too without her even knowing, or did you forget it huh? Gonna make more excuses of how that's okay? I gotcha

"he never tried to rape anyone" so he just tried to "do something" according to another reply you had... right, you don't know what rape is, next point


Third- That's a lie and he only said of how she outplaying him by punching him, lol, stop making things up

Fourth- AHH yes, I know the feeling of having panties of my "loved ones" (*ahem* sex slaves to him *ahem*) and treating them as a monolith, JUST LIKE ME FR FR WHAT A MEN ON CULTURE EVERYONE!!!

Even though he had the power to make the statues of said loved ones that could give him the strength to keep going, but instead, you guessed it, he makes lewd, sexualised statues of another girl he """"loves"""". Such a beautifully written story and character change everyone, peak isekai indeed.
ChaChaVan said:
The "it" is the author and how the anime represents the sexual assault Rudeus acts onto the girls. The anime is like "aha, so he got a nose bleed from trying to rape someone, this is so funny, look at him" instead of actually showing how fucke* up any of that is.

Maybe because it all happens only in your head and nobody is really ever raped?
ChaChaVan said:
How about instead of the tribunal, he could have an actual character development!!!

Oh, but of course, Rudy s1e1 and Rudy s2e18 are two exact same characters. Who needs eyes, anyways, right?
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but this time about how much of a piece of shit realising his wrongs

Yeah, the person who behaves in season 2 nothing like he behaved in season 1 totally is someone who didn't reflect on his actions! Again, who needs to watch an anime with eyes, right?
ChaChaVan said:
Third- That's a lie and he only said of how she outplaying him by punching him, lol, stop making things up

Go to season 1 episode 8 and re-watch for yourself.

Checked your profile. Nice avatar with a psycho serial killer, btw. Explains a lot of your hysterics here.
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tbf, melodius is worse.
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ChaChaVan said:
The "it" is the author and how the anime represents the sexual assault Rudeus acts onto the girls. The anime is like "aha, so he got a nose bleed from trying to rape someone, this is so funny, look at him" instead of actually showing how fucke* up any of that is.

Maybe because it all happens only in your head and nobody is really ever raped?
ChaChaVan said:
How about instead of the tribunal, he could have an actual character development!!!

Oh, but of course, Rudy s1e1 and Rudy s2e18 are two exact same characters. Who needs eyes, anyways, right?
ChaChaVan said:
but this time about how much of a piece of shit realising his wrongs

Yeah, the person who behaves in season 2 nothing like he behaved in season 1 totally is someone who didn't reflect on his actions! Again, who needs to watch an anime with eyes, right?
ChaChaVan said:
Third- That's a lie and he only said of how she outplaying him by punching him, lol, stop making things up

Go to season 1 episode 8 and re-watch for yourself.

Checked your profile. Nice avatar with a psycho serial killer, btw. Explains a lot of your hysterics here.
@al_vl You fell for an obvious bait, bruv. I thought, that complaining about supposed "pdfilia" while having Made in Abyss in favs should be enough of an indicator.

@Lambofgenesis If we compare Rudus to other isekai/fantasy protagonists, then he is actually above average in terms of morality. For example Cid from Eminence of Shadow literally commits acts of terror and gaslights people just for fun, Kazuma from Konosuba did some morally reprehensible things in recent episodes, which were played off for laughs, Michio from Isekai Labirynth Harem is a common customer of a local slave trader, murdered several people in their sleep for potential monetary gain and has a harem of sex slaves among other things.
Yet Rudeus is a bad person because of long discarded traits? Obvious double standard.

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al_vl said:
ChaChaVan said:
The "it" is the author and how the anime represents the sexual assault Rudeus acts onto the girls. The anime is like "aha, so he got a nose bleed from trying to rape someone, this is so funny, look at him" instead of actually showing how fucke* up any of that is.

Maybe because it all happens only in your head and nobody is really ever raped?
ChaChaVan said:
How about instead of the tribunal, he could have an actual character development!!!

Oh, but of course, Rudy s1e1 and Rudy s2e18 are two exact same characters. Who needs eyes, anyways, right?
ChaChaVan said:
but this time about how much of a piece of shit realising his wrongs

Yeah, the person who behaves in season 2 nothing like he behaved in season 1 totally is someone who didn't reflect on his actions! Again, who needs to watch an anime with eyes, right?
ChaChaVan said:
Third- That's a lie and he only said of how she outplaying him by punching him, lol, stop making things up

Go to season 1 episode 8 and re-watch for yourself.

Checked your profile. Nice avatar with a psycho serial killer, btw. Explains a lot of your hysterics here.

children can't consent. for fuc* sakes
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A two edged sword i see, he must be a troll.

unfortunately, he and people like moblack and AsarthaHS and Ocenaiz aren't, they genuinely believe what they say

Thats very unfortunate ๐Ÿ˜’
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I will give my reasoning on why I hate him. Rudeus isn't really that well done character.
Story isn't about redemption as fans claiming it to be as He never paid for all the bad shit he has done. Compare him to thorfinn who has trauma after he became murderers. He tries to redeem himself by making paradise known as Vinland for people in exchange for all the lives he took. He will pay with his life after he build that paradise. Ofc rudeus crimes aren't as grave as thorfinn. But rudeus even in new life never felt bad or thought it's bad for things he do like trying to molest Eris or objectifying any woman that he sees. It's hilarious that he calls paul scumbag when he is literally much worse than him. Also constant self pity and victimization makes him look even more pathetic than he already is that was whole ED arc. Also praying panties and smell that shit even after getting married. I don't wanna question anyone fetish but it looks extremely creepy, reminds me of those 40+ year old in Japan who buys used panties.
@Abomination_suah This is a lot of projecting.

Rudeus never tries to molest Eris. He also doesnt ''objectify every woman that he sees''. You are right about him being a hypocrite for what he says about Paul, but that is more a result of him having a skewed moral compass so he can't properly gauge the severity of actions or behaviour. Which to be fair, is something most people these days seem to have.

As for self pity and ''victimization''. The guy had lived a bad life and it isnt easy to break out of that. And eventually he does get there. In that respect he is not a poorly written character. You either accept it, or fail to empathize and cope with your own reaction to it. He is not an amazing character, but he is certainly well done as a character because he is in many ways very realistic.

And yeah, I get it. Most people also dont want to accept that a character like this is realistic, because you like to pretend the world is all sunshine and rainbows. Almost noone is perfect. And almost always people judge themselves way softer then others would judge them.
Its much easier to judge someone or a character looking at them from the outside, then it is to judge yourself.
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I can't wait to receive a reply saying that, "he's a fictional character, he's not a real person uhuhuhuuu!" The only advice I can give y'all is to get some fuc*ing psychiatric help if you think watching lolicon hen*ai is okay too.
nice bait, here's mine:

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May 18, 2:01 PM

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Rudeus isn't even the worst isekai protag I've seen, chill lol
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Abomination_suah said:
I will give my reasoning on why I hate him. Rudeus isn't really that well done character.
Story isn't about redemption as fans claiming it to be as He never paid for all the bad shit he has done. Compare him to thorfinn who has trauma after he became murderers. He tries to redeem himself by making paradise known as Vinland for people in exchange for all the lives he took. He will pay with his life after he build that paradise. Ofc rudeus crimes aren't as grave as thorfinn. But rudeus even in new life never felt bad or thought it's bad for things he do like trying to molest Eris or objectifying any woman that he sees. It's hilarious that he calls paul scumbag when he is literally much worse than him. Also constant self pity and victimization makes him look even more pathetic than he already is that was whole ED arc. Also praying panties and smell that shit even after getting married. I don't wanna question anyone fetish but it looks extremely creepy, reminds me of those 40+ year old in Japan who buys used panties.

What are your expectations towards him and how do you expect him to "redeem" himself or make amends for what he had done?
The only thing he can do is try to be a better person and not to make the same mistakes in the new world with the second chance he got and so far he is quite successful at that, despite several hiccups.
The issues you pointed out got addressed, Rudeus got reprimended for it and his change for better is undeniable.
Keep in mind that this thread is in 2nd cour of 2nd season.

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these mushoku tensei fans are really unhinged
@ChaChaVan Just like you are a suicidal genocidal for giving 10 to Shingeki no Kyojin lol.

Note: nothing against Shingeki no Kyojin.
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@Abomination_suah First. Who's "it" that treats it as a joke? Punch yourself in the balls if it is so funny to you. He puts his hands where it is not allowed - he gets beating for it. What else would be reasonable punishment, international tribunal?
Second. He never tried to rape anyone.
Third. He does feel bad after crossing the line with Eris, he literally says that he lost himself, went too far and needs to apologize. Very selective memory about his inner monologues you have.
Fourth. Yes, he had loving family, and where it is now? Not around. But stupid panties that he stupidly stole are right there. When you have nothing, you use what you can to survive. It is enough to understand why it is important to him, it doesn't need to be important to you.

The "it" is the author and how the anime represents the sexual assault Rudeus acts onto the girls. The anime is like "aha, so he got a nose bleed from trying to rape someone, this is so funny, look at him" instead of actually showing how fucke* up any of that is.

- How about instead of the tribunal, he could have an actual character development!!! yeah I know, I know... this might sound crazy to you but how about if he actually reflected on those mistakes, (maybe through an internal monologue since the anime also loves to do it so much) but this time about how much of a piece of shit realising his wrongs for not only trying, but he actually groped her breasts too without her even knowing, or did you forget it huh? Gonna make more excuses of how that's okay? I gotcha

"he never tried to rape anyone" so he just tried to "do something" according to another reply you had... right, you don't know what rape is, next point


Third- That's a lie and he only said of how she outplaying him by punching him, lol, stop making things up

Fourth- AHH yes, I know the feeling of having panties of my "loved ones" (*ahem* sex slaves to him *ahem*) and treating them as a monolith, JUST LIKE ME FR FR WHAT A MEN ON CULTURE EVERYONE!!!

Even though he had the power to make the statues of said loved ones that could give him the strength to keep going, but instead, you guessed it, he makes lewd, sexualised statues of another girl he """"loves"""". Such a beautifully written story and character change everyone, peak isekai indeed.
@ChaChaVan Rudeus is a man of culture and also, why are you here if you hate the series so much?
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If I were reincarnated in a world with magic, I think I would be worse than Rudy. Rudy is a beacon of hope, a prime example of how a man should behave in all circumstance. I could only hope not to be as depraved and based as he.
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I think you are missing the point, Rudeus was designed to be a flawed character which does not justify his actions but allows the author to create character development that what makes Mushoku Tensei great.
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Couple things,

1. Most people I’ve seen don’t really defend rudy, they just accept that he is a flawed character because that is the point. No one is out here arguing that the things he does or the way he behaves are the gold standard for society

2. Rudy does not think he is a good person himself, and if you think he does, then you either haven’t watched the show or completely missed the mark on his character. Hell, after Eris left we had almost an entire cour dedicated to how he blamed himself for it and kept thinking everyone would eventually leave him because he is not a “good guy”. In his interactions with the man god, Rudy appears in his old form, this isn’t because the man god wills it in any way, it’s because that is how rudy sees himself, a failed middle aged man who accomplished nothing in his entire life and ended up alone. In the most recent episode we’re even shown that despite the happy life he has built for himself, he still sees himself that way.

3. I’m sick and tired of people pointing the finger at Rudy and saying “look he’s a pervert and a groomer and you shouldn’t watch the show”. WE KNOW, every single person who watches the show knows this, Rudy is not a gold standard boy scout, he is a flawed guy and that is the entire F-ing point of the whole show, it’s his story, his character arc, redemption, and (hopefully, I’m not an LN reader) finding a way to be truly happy despite those flaws. Mushoku Tensei is, at its core, a self-improvement story.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Also I know some of the stuff above can come off as a little heated, no hate whatsoever to you is just people have been saying this stuff for years now and it just gets kinda annoying.
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Nonsense. Even in this world we still have slaves, yes in 1 coutry you can oficially have them. Are laws for everyone, well good for you if really think so, take off your rose glasses. I mean people can have young kids boys and girls if they want to (i mean sexual way and not only that), many things for sale,
As for Rudy, he lives in another world, he lives there by those rules, he accepted many of them. Rewatch series where kids officially become adults, so no wonder a few year early people already start to treat them as almost adults. Also do you know that not so long ago it was okay to marry a 13 yo ? So they might have been a relationship a liitle bit early. In some poor countries they still have girls at age 11-13 to go work as butteflies. Anyways even in most countries it is not a crime if they sleep with each other. They are cases at 12 and a lot of cases when they are teen i mean goverment deals with teens pregnancies, so before they got pregnant they lead a sexual life before that, so that happens a lot even this day and age. Maybe Rudy is more mature mentally, but he was growing and had a childs body, so he felt urgies and it is naturaly to be attracted to someone his age and ofc he understood everything and could also see how sexy grown women were. I mean it's a phonomena, you are too hard, but i think thats what to expect from anyone in that sitation. Man i mean there are a lot of girls at ager 13-16, who look mature and they lie about their age 18-21 and they their appeance tottaly of a developed woman and a lot od young man who aren't mature enough to ask for a possport get in trouble. It's a cruel world there man and Rudy is set to live there. I mean take a few books where action took place a centure or two ago. There were times where a lot of people died at by the age of 35 and it wasn't out of ordinary. Bronte sister, their books and there are a lot more who died even before the age on 30. If you consider it as common, i mean such a short lifespan then at what age you would consider a person an adult ? Well i think that an 18 year would be like an 40 year old this day. So no wonder then if people had sex mych more earlier. I think it was expected to be a father at the age of 15 already. Do you know that ecen this day women are expected to give birth before they are 27 (while we consider average life expectancy is 80 years). They take 27 because you need time to give birth, then raise and give education to your child so he can be independant. Later there are risks that you wont fullfil your role as a parent. So if you life expectancy is 35, then at what age you should have a child ? (Okay 40 considered is very good, yes some lived longer but thats rare cases. There were a lot of illnesses that hit people in middle ages and most of those who caught them died (25-40). So what i mean you are trying to apply todays laws, morals not ony to another world but another time. I mean that another world is totally behind in development compared to our. Slavery, no electricity, no modern conveniences, no medecine etc. So Rudy lives there for many years he adatped, i mean can you imagine coming yourself to another world and trying to teach all how to live ? Lol, hilarious. Read history about The Crusades, discovery of the Japan and America, if you would try to interfere you would lose your head. Japanese history knows a few influential foreigners who came to the land, stayed and even got some power but all of them obeyed rules and beliefs. Well did you watch Shogun ? (Doesn't matter the new or old one) Did you know that the series are based on a book Shogun written by James Clavell ? Well, the protoganist of the story had a real man prototype William Adams. Caught in a strong typhoon, the ship Adams was on was blown off course. The team was very exhausted, so they decided to land on the shores of Japan. Life in Japan was then so different from life in Europe. Strict adherence to rules, a clear hierarchy, worship of honor and disregard for the life of another person - this is what the completely unprepared Adams had to face at that time. Moreover, there was a war for power in the country between the ruling clans. At that time, there was already a Portuguese Jesuit priest in Japan, who preached his religion in the Asian country, and at the same time was engaged in the supply of weapons. The priest did not like the presence of the British on the island, so he immediately declared the arrivals pirates and demanded their immediate execution. The British were locked up in prison. The captain was very weak, so Adams, who served as a navigator on the ship, was appointed to represent the arrivals. Tokugawa Ieyasu, a diplomat and military leader, became interested in the uninvited guests and began to invite Adams from prison to his palace. With the help of a translator, Ieyasu learned that Adams was an experienced shipbuilder. Realizing that a foreigner could be useful to him in the struggle for power, Ieyasu freed Adams and his entire team. Actually, none of this might have happened if Adams did not know Portuguese - at that time it was the only European language that was known in Japan. Ieyasu’s calculation was justified - Adams really brought him a lot of benefit: the Japanese were able to build a sailboat modeled on the ship on which the British arrived in Japan, and with its help they began to carefully study the coast of their country. Adams established trade relations with the Philippines (then a Spanish colony). Ieyasu gave Adams land, an estate, gave him 80 servants, the status of a samurai, and declared him always a welcome guest in his palace. The only thing that the Englishman was categorically not allowed to do was return home. So it was an accident and luck that they were all not executed. There is also information that he nevertheless received permission to leave Japan, but it seems that he did not take advantage of it. He was declared dead, allowing his wife to become a widow, and he was given a new Japanese name, allowing him to marry a high-class Japanese woman. So there you have one of many example where a real man had to (maybe even was made to) live by the laws of another country and culture, if he didn't then he most likely would have lost his life.
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Why you insist on attacking him? everyone has their own opinion of him but if you cannot tolerate people disagreeing with you the obvious thing to do is not watching the show and specially not going out of your way to spend time and effort trying to convince others they should agree with you lol
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@Leon888 why do you make these threads if you never respond to the people responding to your arguments?
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bro op likes girls who abuse everyone and be complete bitches and never get called out for it
AND wants to diss on rudy
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So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded
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I honestly don't know why people defend him so much either, I guess they relate to the "nice guy" side of him, but i dont want to root for him because the anime never gives me a reason to since he is an asshat at times.





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Never see any thread about people saying how great Rudy as a person here.
Always see thread about people complaing a show they hate but, only god know why, they dont just drop it and move on with other show.
@ilusatus maybe because having a conversation about this is the whole point of an anime forum....





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VivavideoUser2x said:
@ilusatus maybe because having a conversation about this is the whole point of an anime forum....

If you discussing something valid, yeah.
This is just attention seeker bait.
Calling the character as disgusting while denying the reason why that bad traits from the character is the whole point of a second chance, not to mention nobody is ever reborn in another world to give a refference point of morality in that peculiar case.
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@ilusatus maybe because having a conversation about this is the whole point of an anime forum....

If you discussing something valid, yeah.
This is just attention seeker bait.
Calling the character as disgusting while denying the reason why that bad traits from the character is the whole point of a second chance, not to mention nobody is ever reborn in another world to give a refference point of morality in that peculiar case.
@ilusatus this doesn't sound like bait, the op doesn't just bash Rudy, they were asking a legitimate question, and of course the fan base answered them in the most braindead way imaginable. "If u don't like it dont watch" . That's the most childish way to respond to people who have different anime opinions and says a lot about the fans of Mushoku.





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@Leon888
I mean, from what I could see, they mostly just cope that they have a canon pedophile in their favorites and want to justify that somehow (and Rudeus not exactly having bad writing when it comes to mostly anything NOT involving that directly surely helps). Some are just in denial, but hey, we do have people like that in any fandom.

So, I guess if there's good writing, they can overlook the bad writing in this so-called redemption story as per title description/main theme. It's less about them trying to justify the wrong, and more about them trying to defend what is good. Not much difference of how the author and Rudeus himself are very reductive of his outright biggest flaws while playing them for comedy.

It's also the reason why arguments comparing him to other isekai pervert characters like Kazuma from KonoSuba doesn't work, not to say it's outright nonsensical to do so.

First because Kazuma was a high-schooler and not a 30+yo pedo, and second because the story is not about Kazuma exploring his flawed characteristics and growing better as a person, it's a non-serious comedy plot about a guy that is both a perv and a bit of an asshole being miserable with his vitriolic friendship with his party of outcasts that go on to grow closer despite their bickering and attitude (with some development here and there, though it's not at all the point of the story, and most of the comedy comes from them casually getting screwed for being the way they are).

Rudeus is a shitty human being in a serious story (aka, "not a comedy plot not to be taken serious") about trying harder to be better in another world, where the character and author hilariously try to brush off his pedophilia and perverted nature as a non-issue to be laughed at and celebrated (once he eventually gets to have sex, marry and impregnate 3 of his underage -or so he thought to be in the case of Roxy- love interests, both while underage (Eris) and also after they turned into adults (not that Rudeus didn't lust hard for all of them beforehand while they were kids or look-alike, especially in the WN/LN).
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who cares man ? just enjoy the show ,its an fictional character,anyone can dislike or like,is that simple.
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I don't understand why people, when criticism is made about Rudeus who does morally wrong things given his mental age, tend to defend him with pathetic excuses just because they like the show, that is, Rudeus, despite considering himself a good person, really does a lot of things very questionable (such as molesting and abusing young girls, buying slaves for his personal gain as if it were the most normal thing in the world, not caring in the slightest about his actions even when they cause suffering to other people...) and it is right that be criticized for this, certainly a protagonist can also be interesting even if he is morally questionable (even if it is annoying how the story tries to portray Rudeus as a good person when in reality he is not) such as Light Yagami from Death Note, however it seems that criticism cannot be made against him because the fanboys will defend him to the hilt, even though the criticisms are legitimate and reasonable and that's what I can't understand, the fandom is really so susceptible that it doesn't even see the reality of the facts anymore ? What do you think about it?

I think they could have made Rudy a better person who makes better decisions, but it would have ruined the show and turned him into a Mary Sue. Don't get me wrong, Rudy is a bad guy and does bad, often unforgivable things. But you're talking about it now, and seeing him do bad things makes you feel something and think about it, which is the mark of a good piece of fiction.
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I mean, from what I could see, they mostly just cope that they have a canon pedophile in their favorites and want to justify that somehow (and Rudeus not exactly having bad writing when it comes to mostly anything NOT involving that directly surely helps). Some are just in denial, but hey, we do have people like that in any fandom.

So, I guess if there's good writing, they can overlook the bad writing in this so-called redemption story as per title description/main theme. It's less about them trying to justify the wrong, and more about them trying to defend what is good. Not much difference of how the author and Rudeus himself are very reductive of his outright biggest flaws while playing them for comedy.

It's also the reason why arguments comparing him to other isekai pervert characters like Kazuma from KonoSuba doesn't work, not to say it's outright nonsensical to do so.

First because Kazuma was a high-schooler and not a 30+yo pedo, and second because the story is not about Kazuma exploring his flawed characteristics and growing better as a person, it's a non-serious comedy plot about a guy that is both a perv and a bit of an asshole being miserable with his vitriolic friendship with his party of outcasts that go on to grow closer despite their bickering and attitude (with some development here and there, though it's not at all the point of the story, and most of the comedy comes from them casually getting screwed for being the way they are).

Rudeus is a shitty human being in a serious story (aka, "not a comedy plot not to be taken serious") about trying harder to be better in another world, where the character and author hilariously try to brush off his pedophilia and perverted nature as a non-issue to be laughed at and celebrated (once he eventually gets to have sex, marry and impregnate 3 of his underage -or so he thought to be in the case of Roxy- love interests, both while underage (Eris) and also after they turned into adults (not that Rudeus didn't lust hard for all of them beforehand while they were kids or look-alike, especially in the WN/LN).
@Danpmss

Of course, the biggest elitist came here to give out his subjective opinions.

Also, Reincarnated Rudeus is a good person and is not a p-word like his past life. Sorry, not sorry โœ๏ธ

His relationship with Eris or Sylphy was literally better than 98% of anime romances, no shade to romance anime.
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Zarutaku said:
There are lots of errors in your post, I fixed them for you:

Why do people defend attack Rudeus?

I don't understand why people, when praise is made about Rudeus who does morally right things despite his tragic past, tend to attack him with pathetic accusations just because they hate the show, that is, Rudeus, despite considering himself a bad person, really does a lot of things very honorable (such as saving Sylphie from bullies, preventing his family from falling apart, leading Eris on the right track, helping Ruijerd to restore the honor of the Superds, relieving his father of his misery, freeing Lilia & Aisha, saving Sara's life, taking good care of his sisters) and it is right that he is praised about this, even if it is annoying how the story tries to portray Rudeus as a bad person when in reality he is not, such as Keyaru from Redo of Healer. However it seems that praise cannot be made about him because the haters will attack him to the hilt, even though the praises are legitimate and reasonable and that's what I can't understand. The haters are really so susceptible that they don't even see the reality of the facts anymore? What do you think about it?

the cope is unreal ๐Ÿ’€
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People defend their favourite characters all the time, why is Rudeus any different?
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Why are people unable to differenciate between reality and fiction?

End of the discussion,
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Why are people unable to differenciate between reality and fiction?

End of the discussion,
@Hans_0819 Well, here's the thing, people do differentiate, and doing so doesn't deprive them from being able to criticize the writing of a fictional character or work in any way. There may be those that don't but those aren't the ones arguing against what the author pulled in here with Rudeus.

I swear that's the weakest cope in the book I see in here every time. "Well, if you dislike how this fictional character is written, that means you mix up reality with fiction". What a load of bullshit tbh, especially when fiction has its base in reality by default (even while copying other fiction).
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@Hans_0819 Well, here's the thing, people do differentiate, and doing so doesn't deprive them from being able to criticize the writing of a fictional character or work in any way. There may be those that don't but those aren't the ones arguing against what the author pulled in here with Rudeus.

I swear that's the weakest cope in the book I see in here every time. "Well, if you dislike how this fictional character is written, that means you mix up reality with fiction". What a load of bullshit tbh, especially when fiction has its base in reality by default (even while copying other fiction).

your response is so disingenuous, so pls stop.
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Because yeah he is so flawed mostly early on but you have to realize that he was a guy watching hentai all day, his mentality of the right and wrong got so fucked and at least he tried to fix it later on in the story.
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According to woke logic, rudeus cant have romantic feelings for anyone because if its little girls thats considered pedo, and if its some mature women it would also be pedo, its very amusing, really
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Please stop replying and let this thread die. OP came in, made an obviously inflammatory argument, and then never came back to reply. This thread was clearly made for the purposes of rustling jimmies, and it has succeeded. Now let's move on.
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because most of them will do the same thing he did or maybe less or worst
@Yantama I'd hope not since he's literally a reincarnated pedophile...
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Obvious bait. The alternative is that you either watched the show with screen and speakers turned off, because your statements are factually incorrect. For example, saying that "he bought a slave" and that it was for "his personal amusement" is factually incorrect and anyone who watched will know it because the reasoning was said out loud.

Anyways I'll bite.

Ironic, that you posted this at 2nd cour of 2nd season, where his growth is undeniable just like the fact that he is a much better person.
At this point he is actually much better person that Kazuma, yet nobody is attacking him for some reason. You guys saw what immoral stuff he did in the last two episodes? It was obvious since beginning, that Rudeus fell quite behind in terms of growing up, morality included, due to his plight from previous world, so something that may be common sense for anyone for him mihjt be something that he actually had to learn. Saying, that "he is an adult in child's body" is nothing but a desperate cope haters use to validate their bad takes.

The actual question should be "Why are people STILL attacking Rudeus?"

But anyway, Okeanix situation made me realize something. It will be purely speculative and it maybe just one of many reason, but some people geniuenly believe, that it is impossible for two shows of the same genre to be good and it is some sort of competition.
This is why people attack Demon Slayer saying "it's carried by animation", MAPPA saying that they botched JJK adaptation and even put Rudeus to constantly increasing and eventually impossible to achieve standards. It is all to validate their disdain towards the show, because their favourite snow is less successful. That's why they point to the tiniest inconsistencies in Demon Slayer's story (sometimes are just not paying attention and those are not even inconsistencies), that's why they are hating on MAPPA and everything they make as a whole and keep repeating the same mental gymnastics, that Rudeus is "a man in child's body", blatantly lie that he "bought a slave for fun" (He never bought or at any point of the story owned a slave. Zenoba is her master, while Rudeus teaches her magic.) convinently omitting, that Rudy literally saved her life.
But surprise, suprise, it is possible for two similar shoes to both be good! Rudeus is a great character and at current state is a good person. Deal with it.

" Rudy is a man in a child's body " funnily enough the people who use this argument to call Rudy a pedo are the exact same people who call lolicons pedos and also call Roxy a " child " because of her look ( and thus, you're a pedo for being attracted to her ), which doesn't make sense because both Rudy and Roxy have " children " bodies, Then why they see Rudy as an adult but they see Roxy as a child ( or literally any other loli who's much much older than her look would suggest ) ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค” ?

it's almost as if they're hypocrites and basing their entire argument on emotions ( their hatred for Rudy )

I'm not exaggerating btw, look up YouTubers such as AsarthaHS or anyone who hates MT for Rudy lol

Also he's friends with Ocenaiz lol
@Saimatsu_Fan Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child. So if he does anything sexual towards children he's a pedophile, and if he does anything sexual towards adults and they reciprocate, then the adult is a pedophile since they wouldn't know he's a grown man. Also he was literally a pedophile before he died as a grown ass man so he's a pedophile either way.

People say people who like lolicons are pedophiles because they like women who literally look like children (and act like children in many cases). Which is pedophile behavior, while they wouldn't be technically a pedophile like Rudy is, it's not a stretch to say it's pedophile behavior to like lolis.

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@Yantama I'd hope not since he's literally a reincarnated pedophile...

cut it off he was reincarnated then he is safe
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@Saimatsu_Fan Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child. So if he does anything sexual towards children he's a pedophile, and if he does anything sexual towards adults and they reciprocate, then the adult is a pedophile since they wouldn't know he's a grown man. Also he was literally a pedophile before he died as a grown ass man so he's a pedophile either way.

People say people who like lolicons are pedophiles because they like women who literally look like children (and act like children in many cases). Which is pedophile behavior, while they wouldn't be technically a pedophile like Rudy is, it's not a stretch to say it's pedophile behavior to like lolis.


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@Saimatsu_Fan Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child. So if he does anything sexual towards children he's a pedophile, and if he does anything sexual towards adults and they reciprocate, then the adult is a pedophile since they wouldn't know he's a grown man. Also he was literally a pedophile before he died as a grown ass man so he's a pedophile either way.

People say people who like lolicons are pedophiles because they like women who literally look like children (and act like children in many cases). Which is pedophile behavior, while they wouldn't be technically a pedophile like Rudy is, it's not a stretch to say it's pedophile behavior to like lolis.

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@Hans_0819 Well, here's the thing, people do differentiate, and doing so doesn't deprive them from being able to criticize the writing of a fictional character or work in any way. There may be those that don't but those aren't the ones arguing against what the author pulled in here with Rudeus.

I swear that's the weakest cope in the book I see in here every time. "Well, if you dislike how this fictional character is written, that means you mix up reality with fiction". What a load of bullshit tbh, especially when fiction has its base in reality by default (even while copying other fiction).

your response is so disingenuous, so pls stop.
@Janethan23 Oh yes? Do tell me how so, by all means.
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@Saimatsu_Fan Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child. So if he does anything sexual towards children he's a pedophile, and if he does anything sexual towards adults and they reciprocate, then the adult is a pedophile since they wouldn't know he's a grown man. Also he was literally a pedophile before he died as a grown ass man so he's a pedophile either way.

People say people who like lolicons are pedophiles because they like women who literally look like children (and act like children in many cases). Which is pedophile behavior, while they wouldn't be technically a pedophile like Rudy is, it's not a stretch to say it's pedophile behavior to like lolis.

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Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child

Guy lost 20 years being shut in, he is by no means a "grown man". If teenager wakes up after being 20 years in coma - is he an adult or still a child? By age - adult ofc, but mentally he is still have no idea about the world. Same goes for teenagers who got in bars for a 10+ years for the crime. When they come out - they are already broken to the point of no return. That's why in many countries teenagers aren't eligble for imprisonment.

From my point of view, Rudy was essentially comatosed for 20 years.
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Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child

Guy lost 20 years being shut in, he is by no means a "grown man". If teenager wakes up after being 20 years in coma - is he an adult or still a child? By age - adult ofc, but mentally he is still have no idea about the world. Same goes for teenagers who got in bars for a 10+ years for the crime. When they come out - they are already broken to the point of no return. That's why in many countries teenagers aren't eligble for imprisonment.

From my point of view, Rudy was essentially comatosed for 20 years.
@lessfull That is true he may not mentally be an adult, but as a society we really don't accept the line to be grey when it comes to that. Either someone is an adult or they aren't, because nobody should be able to decide who is and isn't mentally an adult or child. I'll agree that he probably is still like a highschooler mentally, but even so if you think he's not exactly a pedophile, he's still a pervert minimum, and a POS a lot.
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@lessfull That is true he may not mentally be an adult, but as a society we really don't accept the line to be grey when it comes to that. Either someone is an adult or they aren't, because nobody should be able to decide who is and isn't mentally an adult or child. I'll agree that he probably is still like a highschooler mentally, but even so if you think he's not exactly a pedophile, he's still a pervert minimum, and a POS a lot.
@RageGaze that the interesting part. By society standarts "adult" is 18+. Which means reincarnates are childs by default. What I'm trying to say that real-life logic breaks down anyways when we are talking about fiction, so why not improve upon social norms and consider ideal-type scenario.

Also I wouldn't say he is a pervert either. When I was a teenager, I can easily imagine myself doing things like that due to pure hormones bust and lack of ineraction with females. The fanniest part is that when a actually got "female teenager interaction", it turned out I was the puny and humble one.

But what is POS?
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@Saimatsu_Fan Those aren't the same thing lol. Rudy is literally a grown man in a childs body, hence he has a mental age that isn't a child. So if he does anything sexual towards children he's a pedophile, and if he does anything sexual towards adults and they reciprocate, then the adult is a pedophile since they wouldn't know he's a grown man. Also he was literally a pedophile before he died as a grown ass man so he's a pedophile either way.

People say people who like lolicons are pedophiles because they like women who literally look like children (and act like children in many cases). Which is pedophile behavior, while they wouldn't be technically a pedophile like Rudy is, it's not a stretch to say it's pedophile behavior to like lolis.

@RageGaze but somehow the loli knows things no child should know. "yikes"
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Not saying that rudeus is a stand-up guy by any stretch of the imagination but I find it hilarious how people turn a blind eye to what they like and boldly criticise what they personally have a problem with.
For E.g nobody has a problem with aqua from oshi no ko , the whole existence of made in abyss I could go on and on.

Yes rudeus is a morally deplorable character which at times pisses me off but my enjoyment of the show still stands s1 9/10 s2 7.75/10
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Keep this shit on season 1 posts. Season 2 Rudeus is completely different.
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