| The changes were made by the Author himself.Cloverworks has nothing to do with the changes.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2021-02-02/.169071 It clearly says the changes are under the supervision of the author.So blame the author for the changes and NOT THE WHOLE STUDIO. Many people don't seem to understand so I had to create a thread for this. |
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| Why are people blaming Cloverworks? They didn't do anything wrong. |
I've seen countless youtube comments saying Cloverworks ruined it.Even the top reviews says it.They don't even know the basics of the anime industry. |
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Sxvory said: THIS. i also see a lot people thinking this was Cloverworks idea... which is not true at all, This is also not the same situation as Tokyo Ghoul.. because in that the author has no involvement with the anime. But the author of Tokyo Ghoul did allow them to go for original right?If he hadn't then he could've sued pierrot |
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| I mean if you literally look at the credits that this website gives you, you can clearly see the mangaka is responsible for the script for this season. |
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| Maybe it's not Cloverworks...but it actually the plot sequel for YNN that isn't good and I heard about this back when s1 finished airing... This is the studio that did Darling in the Franxx and BunnyGirlSenpai. I remember how bad GoH by Mappa is, but then JujutsuKaisen was more successful. ...So it definitely has something to do with the material source. |
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| Well Shirai fucked up the manga with a shitty ending so a i'm not surprised that he screwed the anime too. |
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Azmarath said: Dudes should have ended the manga after the escape arc. Well Shirai fucked up the manga with a shitty ending so a i'm not surprised that he screwed the anime too. |
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| 1. the author's only complaint about TPN is the ending is rushed, so even if he's going to change season 2, he wouldn't have cut out an entire arc just to rush the ending even MORE. How does it make sense for an author to cut out arc and characters he spent so much time and effort on? Not to mention characters who are high up there in the popularity poll and an arc that's so important to TPN? It's like cutting Jiraiya out of the Naruto anime and not including the Pain arc. What sense does that make? 2. When did the author HIMSELF ever admit he's the one who wrote the entire script for each episode? I don't want others (CW or etc) to say it for him, I want to hear it from the author himself that he did it. And even if he did participate in the writing of the script, there's no way he's the only one who worked on it. Animes always have different script writers and directors for each episode. It's more likely that the author wrote the direction of the plot and CW are the ones who filled in the gaps. 3. Literally everyone can tell how out of characters Emma and the kids are in episode 4 and 5 (like fucking around and screaming in the forest). If the author wrote the script, would he write them so out of character? 4. Therefore, my guess is the author may have wrote the direction of the plot, or he may have not, either way, CW noticed fans don't like season 2 so they're using the author as a scrapegoat and blaming everything on him. |
ttcchen said: 1. We dont know the reason but speculate. 1. the author's only complaint about TPN is the ending is rushed, so even if he's going to change season 2, he wouldn't have cut out an entire arc just to rush the ending even MORE. How does it make sense for an author to cut out arc and characters he spent so much time and effort on? Not to mention characters who are high up there in the popularity poll and an arc that's so important to TPN? It's like cutting Jiraiya out of the Naruto anime and not including the Pain arc. What sense does that make? 2. When did the author HIMSELF ever admit he's the one who wrote the entire script for each episode? I don't want others (CW or etc) to say it for him, I want to hear it from the author himself that he did it. And even if he did participate in the writing of the script, there's no way he's the only one who worked on it. Animes always have different script writers and directors for each episode. It's more likely that the author wrote the direction of the plot and CW are the ones who filled in the gaps. 3. Literally everyone can tell how out of characters Emma and the kids are in episode 4 and 5 (like fucking around and screaming in the forest). If the author wrote the script, would he write them so out of character? 4. Therefore, my guess is the author may have wrote the direction of the plot, or he may have not, either way, CW noticed fans don't like season 2 so they're using the author as a scrapegoat and blaming everything on him. 2.because he is credited as series composition. Which means they can check the scripts and translate it to anime. 3.like season 1 they do this too. Its not that surprising. 4.the author himself is on the staff list. So of course he can check the scripts. The season ends 2019, manga ends on 2020 thats a stretch. And its episode 5 we dont know how this season go. So I think judge it after all episodes out. |
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| "under the supervision" doesn't mean he wanted the changes or that he was even the one writing the new script. It just means he reads the script and says "Okay". Imo, this is just another PR bs to make fans eat the changes more easily since people tend to respect the authors. Same thing for AoT Season 3 Part 1. |
Scordolo said: Are we to believe that the author is so influential and powerful that the entire studio simply gave in to his demands and had absolutely no say in this project? The changes were made by the Author himself.Cloverworks has nothing to do with the changes.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2021-02-02/.169071 It clearly says the changes are under the supervision of the author.So blame the author for the changes and NOT THE WHOLE STUDIO. Many people don't seem to understand so I had to create a thread for this. Don't get me wrong. I may dislike this season, but I'm not gonna jump on a hate train. I'm simply stating that the studio is definitely to be blamed as well as the author. |
| The manga is over, they don't want to adapt it to the end so they will rush it and make an anime orginal ending. I will still blame Cloverworks for this, because no way the author wanted this disaster. |
[/quote] _volt said: The manga is over, they don't want to adapt it to the end so they will rush it and make an anime orginal ending. I will still blame Cloverworks for this, because no way the author wanted this disaster. Think it logically.If the author never wanted these changes he could've easily sued them right? @Sigmar-Unberogen Also why Cloverworks are to bame?They are here just to animate it.It's HIS work.He can do whaever he want to make the changes.The studio can do nothing about it. You should also understand that not the entire studio animates Promised neverand. |
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| Probably the fact that they're skipping alot in Horimiya makes them believe that cloverworks is to blame lol. Cloverworks could've been chads lol and just said no to Kaiu and not involve them in the production whatsoever. I haven't seen anyone blame cloverworks though. |
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| It's easy for a company to pin the problem on one man as an excuse, it could very well be that they put the original author as supervisor while making too many demands (like, we want you to condense 100 chapters worth of content in 11 episodes) and the guy had to ruin his own story to satisfy them, while having to take the blame because technically he's the one who made the changes. What I'm saying is just a possibility, is it the truth? We'll never know, so we should assume that all of them are responsible and just move on, looking for someone to blame is pointless. |
| The Promised Neverland Committee rewrote Season 2 of the anime. That is what director Mamoru Kanbe has been deciding since Season 1. But he couldn't rewrite Season 1 cause of several reasons (not allowed to change the story because Season 1 is the debut of the series). And if they changed too much, viewers might not buy the manga. Remember that anime adaptations are created to increase visibility of the manga (in other words, advertising the manga to increase manga sales). In TPN's case, TPN manga already ended last Spring 2020. After the manga ended on June 15, 2020, TPN director Mamoru Kanbe was allowed to rewrite so he can compress half of Volume 5 and Volumes 6-20 in Season 2. Why is he compressing? He is compressing so The Promised Neverland Committee can milk the profits from the manga that just finished last year, and so that any Season 1 anime DVD sales can increase. If Season 1 anime DVD increased, they are also hoping increased sales on Season 2 of the anime DVD this year. The Promised Neverland Committee invited mangaka Kaiu Shirai into the team after the rewrite is finished. He supervised the script and the series composition to ensure the core elements of TPN (mystery, suspense) exist in the anime. But at the end of the day, he can't do any more than supervising and approving what has already been done (rewrite). He can't disagree with The Promised Neverland Committee's choices. The only benefit the Committee has from Shirai-sensei is his name. Put his name in the credits and manga fans are sure to follow and watch the first few episodes of Season 2. They are gonna be hyped (which is what we have all done) even before Season 2 of the anime premieres, especially because mangaka Kaiu Shirai's name is in the anime as in charge of series composition (hence, script supervision). |
| Tokyo Ghoul did the same thing too, i don't know what reason does the author has to do this Edit: nvm i just saw user's statement above thx btw |
| it was probably decided that this was going to be the last season so everybody made a bunch of bad decisions. i didn't like how cloverworks adapted the first season/arc tho. it's neither "just the author" nor "just the studio". |
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Simar said: it was probably decided that this was going to be the last season so everybody made a bunch of bad decisions. i didn't like how cloverworks adapted the first season/arc tho. it's neither "just the author" nor "just the studio". Exactly! Both are to be blamed equally! --------- But, then again, this doesn't mean we have to make death-threats and shit. Simply disliking and giving a negative feedback should be enough. |
| Both need to be blamed equally, Cloverwork is one of my favourite studio they are doing such a good job with horimaya and egg anime I wonder what happened to this on |
Otakughosh said: Do these guys who are review bombing the show even know that by doing this they are ruining the chances for a third fu*k*** season. The author is involved. It is the author's intellectual property and we as viewers have no right to interfere with the author's way of storytelling. I thought we were better than this. The anime community you know. West's cancerous cancel culture has penetrated this side of the entertainment industry as well. It is a request from a guy for whom anime is everything. Please DON'T review bomb this show or send death threats (foreseeing this knowing how people function nowadays apparently) to the author. Please don't ruin the chance for a continuation. I don't think CloverWorks themselves want to do a 3rd season with the rate they're rushing through the story. By the end of season 2 there won't be anything left anyway, regardless of what fans think of it. |
Nxt_Arsenic said: ^^^ good point that's why i think Shirai shouldn't be the one blamed for thisttcchen said: 1. the author's only complaint about TPN is the ending is rushed, so even if he's going to change season 2, he wouldn't have cut out an entire arc just to rush the ending even MORE. How does it make sense for an author to cut out arc and characters he spent so much time and effort on? Not to mention characters who are high up there in the popularity poll and an arc that's so important to TPN? It's like cutting Jiraiya out of the Naruto anime and not including the Pain arc. What sense does that make? 2. When did the author HIMSELF ever admit he's the one who wrote the entire script for each episode? I don't want others (CW or etc) to say it for him, I want to hear it from the author himself that he did it. And even if he did participate in the writing of the script, there's no way he's the only one who worked on it. Animes always have different script writers and directors for each episode. It's more likely that the author wrote the direction of the plot and CW are the ones who filled in the gaps. 3. Literally everyone can tell how out of characters Emma and the kids are in episode 4 and 5 (like fucking around and screaming in the forest). If the author wrote the script, would he write them so out of character? 4. Therefore, my guess is the author may have wrote the direction of the plot, or he may have not, either way, CW noticed fans don't like season 2 so they're using the author as a scrapegoat and blaming everything on him. yes... I don't think that Authours get much say in anime making... when they talk about him being involved in Scripting, it simply means that he was consulted before making the changes... remember only consulted... imo... Great authors like Inoue Takahiko had complained about how their work was altered... When Story of such legendary mangaka can be changed on the whim of animators... don't you to think it is very much possible that Mangaka has nothing to do with this shit... He might have been consulted.. but he has no 'final' say whatsoever after anime is in production. IMO |
| Its disappointing regardless, I drop it after realising it is not following the manga, probably why I wasn't enjoying it that much. I'm not too interested in read the manga because so many people are saying it got bad, but at the same time, I will give it ago when I have the chance. Maybe the complaint is from the vocal minority. |
Amalik0029 said: Both need to be blamed equally, Cloverwork is one of my favourite studio they are doing such a good job with horimaya and egg anime I wonder what happened to this on Yeah I really respect Cloverworks, but they definitely have a hand in this failure. There is no way that the mangaka is fine with erasing half of his entire story, especially when the storytelling becomes this bad. If he was a major part of this, the story telling would be way better. The entire manga was amazing, up until the last little bit. He is a way better writer than whatever ep. 4 and 5 have been. |
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| Most likely its, as usual, the production committee we have to blame for telling them to wrap this stories up in 11 episodes. Most likely they have the author to keep a semblance of cohesion with whatever they have to do with so little time. |
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| I can only imagine that the author was told by the production committee that the 11 episodes that'll be airing this season were going to be the last, and told to come up with a way of ending the story in that time. There's no way the author would have been happy with cutting out huge swathes of the story, important characters and massive character development for the main cast through choice. |
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Scordolo said: The changes were made by the Author himself.Cloverworks has nothing to do with the changes.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2021-02-02/.169071 It clearly says the changes are under the supervision of the author.So blame the author for the changes and NOT THE WHOLE STUDIO. Many people don't seem to understand so I had to create a thread for this. Lolll the author cuts his own series to 11 episodes?? Big Brain Time!! This announcement was just to contain backlash. Maybe the author was brought in script writing too... conditioned on 11 episodes.. and maybe the author then just gave up on them... I am sure the author would be very displeased too. |
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Varris said: Your misunderstanding this, when this kind of thing happens and it says the author's involved it doesn't mean that the author butchered their own story. It means that only one more season was ordered and they were told to end it. This isn't the author's or the studios fault, it's the fault of the publishing company who didn't want to order additional seasons. The author is just brought in to oversee the SparkNotes anime sice they can't possibly finish it. This is what happened for for this and TG Root A. TG Re is a little different since the studio took too much on and basically turned it into a PowerPoint, that's a scenario where the studio is responsible. So don't blame CloverWorks or the author blame corporate who wouldn't order more than one season. Dude,this is a dead topic.No one cares about it anymore.Thanks for the info tho. |
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| The only people to blame are producers who ordered 11 episodes to wrap up whole story instead make 2-3 more seasons. But them manga was over so they decided there no need for more manga advertisement. Too bad manga isn't good. Goldy Pond was last good arc and after Normal reveal it keeps going down and more boring with each chapter. |
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