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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Welp, a summit this epiosde with the subject of the suicide pact law as part of its discussion. I have to say, the countries involved in these talks had some strong opinions about it. Seems this episode is setting up for the series' finale. |
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| That woman trying to commit suicide is definitely Ai Magase, she's trying to fuck up the American president. Man this episode was a philosophy lesson |
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| Damn Magase Ai at the end... this episode was really great, I loved the discussion between the presidents. |
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| Magase trying to commit suicide may b e true, but I feel like she might be trying to get something from the president. Manipulator vs thinker. . . that would be interesting. I can't believe they actually talked about the trolley problem this episode. I was quite curious to know what conclusion the president would reach for it, but we got interrupted. :( |
| This show managed to get even more pretentious and ridiculous. |
| If Magase Ai can manipulate people through phone calls and over a media broadcast, then how about manipulating everyone who's watching the broadcast? Since their aim is to make people commit suicide. The concept of Magase Ai manipulating people even through radio waves is ridiculous, and her "powers" need to be addressed which they still haven't done. And I don't think it'll be since only one episode is left. Other than that, it was a good episode >_>. Let's see how the president deals with her. |
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| Whore of Babylon, who sat upon the seven beast kings while drinking the blood of angels. Ah the irony here is quite amusing. The seven leaders discuss about what's good and evil while discarding any sense of individuality and sovereignty was interesting and admirable. The concept each of them came with was harmless but yet intimidating. And now the finale is set upon Magase Ai(surely, who else could a woman be in this show.) confronting The Thinker. The stage is up for the fate of the world. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
TGAvi said: raifuresu said: This show managed to get even more pretentious and ridiculous. Its shame Good shows like babylon get hate And show like kimetsu gets love That's a very stupid comparison. Both shows have different premises, purposes and target audiences. That said, while I'm not big into KnY, at least KnY is just an honest shounen series having entertainment as its goal, not a pretentious, 3deep6you bs like Babylon. |
raifuresu said: This show managed to get even more pretentious and ridiculous. Says the guy who gave Bananya a 10. Please don´t strain your brain, we don´t want you to get hurt. Do you know about the Dunning-Kruger efect? It should interest you. |
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Charmotaku said: raifuresu said: This show managed to get even more pretentious and ridiculous. Says the guy who gave Bananya a 10. Please don´t strain your brain, we don´t want you to get hurt. Do you know about the Dunning-Kruger efect? It should interest you. And there we go. Bc I found a silly show cute and gave it a 10 obviously all my opinions are invalid. My bad. That's what says the guy with K-On! as favorite show. (which shouldn't matter, but let's play the same game) |
raifuresuJan 20, 2020 9:05 AM
| finally next episode we will find out ai magase was an isekai character all along and thats how she got her power |
| Fantastic episode. Loved the summit conversation where everyone was trying to understand the concepts of good and evil and why we perceive them as such. It's interesting that at the root of everything is the meaning of life and I like how Alex instead of thinking about the morality problems from the perspective of "for the greater good" thought about it from the perspective of both sides still aim to let someone live. The woman at the end if Magase right? Interested to see how this is gonna go down. |
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| Tbf, the last few episodes were really lackluster. While the show started out with asking some pretty nice questions, it quickly threw the whole momentum out the window when the second half started. There are several threads hanging and they probably won't be addressed. On the other hand they also introduced several new characters that will (mostly likely) have no relevance to the outcome. I was really looking forward to Seizaki's struggles with the concept itself (since it was teased at the end of the first half), but instead we got the "thinker", who just does exactly that... "think". It's either poor execution or the original became like this as well at the halfway point. There really was no point in building up Seizaki and giving the absolute evil as his opponent, if they are just going to glorify the USA at the end. |
raifuresu said: This show managed to get even more pretentious and ridiculous. exactly my thoughts. felt kinda comedic, to be honest. |
TGAvi said: raifuresu said: That's a very stupid comparison. Both shows have different premises, purposes and target audiences. That said, while I'm not big into KnY, at least KnY is just an honest shounen series having entertainment as its goal, not a pretentious, 3deep6you bs like Babylon. Babylon have uniqe concept and good Conversations You just don't get it Unique concept? Definitely. Good conversations? Debatable. |
| The discussion part about morality and god was just painfully shitty. If you want to discuss morals, at least don't insert fairy tales into it. |
| woah, Magase forgot to wear her usual lipstick |
| The G7 summit was fascinating, the discussion itself was presented in a visually interesting manner as well. Too bad that it was brought to an abrupt end. Just one question remains. How will Seizaki use his service pistol? |
| I actually have no idea what to think about this episode. The direction is as solid as it has been since the beginning. The show is transcending levels of wokeness I never even thought were possible. I definitely did not foresee the plot going in this direction after episode 7 but oh well.. guess the last episode will literally make or break this show ? It's been a while since I felt so anxious about an upcoming episode lol |
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| Great episode, but people who don't like to think and see standin characters for big concept will not like it. As proven by this thread. Every member of the G7 stands for a personal ideology relating to how to deal with suicide. The infographic about who stands on which side of the suicide law was interesting. I'd surely thought that Germany, the country I am living in would be against the suicide law simply because we had "euthanasia" in nazi germany as a mocking term for killing off unwanted individuals and thus Germany obviously rejects that... The philosophical ideas of the Trolley Problem are an interesting idea that we still pose to this day like with self-driving cars and how they should evaluate what outcome is the better one to take, so its a pretty recent concern. What I didn't like is that Magase is now pitted against the President of the United States and not against Seizaki like we have built up for the entire first half of the show. It feels like Seizaki got degraded to a supporting cast while we are looking at this now only from the presidents perspective. Maybe he gets his time to shiny in the end though... Magase using her psychological powers to make all the 100000 people that gathered in Shiniki commit suicide would be an epic dramatic ending. Kinda reminds me of Code Geass, even though Code Geass sucks. |
| This show really shat the bed since the break huh. |
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TGAvi said: silver_soul98 said: exactly my thoughts. felt kinda comedic, to be honest. If you don't like it then drop it This amazing show not for you Here officier, this guy. He's pretending to be an anime elitist. |
| A lot to sink in after this episode. I belive with time, most people will appreciate what was done in here. But I can see most of people who did not like the episode are etiher pseudo-intellectuals or action whores, so this was expected. But I'm honestly scared to see how things will end on the next episode. Even with all those amazing episodes, this final episodes can destroy a lot of what the show was doing. It must be THE episode in order to give a good conclusion to the series. Hopefully they at least explain how Magase can influence people the way she does. |
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FaaipDeOiad said: I love how quickly this anime turned in to a complete dumpster fire. Holy shit this is horrible. Can you elaborate? I thought the G7 summit discussion was interesting. This show makes me feel... unease. |
| I don't even know what to believe anymore tbh. I mean these are some very morally gray topics without any sort of obvious right or wrong answer. Been a while since I saw an anime which actually made you question your emotional values and beliefs from a logical perspective like this It's definitely shifted a lot in terms of style and character cast in this post-break part compared to how it started though but honestly I'm not sure what people are complaining about. Though it feels like there's a lot left to wrap up in just one episode so I'm not sure how they'll go about that in a satisfying way |
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| It was a decent episode and the woman in the roof is definitly Ai. |
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| Great episode. Liked the summit and the leaders talking and how it was done. (Backgrounds and them like floating in the room when they were sitting there and the background changed.) Though I didn't like the bible stuff and stuff like that ... it was pretty well done. Also the US president and the one from France have the best voice actors. Feld also great how they addressed each other with first name. (That's how I bet it is in real life - when they act completely different towards the public.) Good that they changed it into that direction (got great once the gamer president got introduced) instead of making a wannabe deep hynposis crime story. |
| To me at least, the series seems rather unfocused at this point with what specifically it wishes to cover. Early episodes drew my interest since it seemed Babylon would dabble into the moral ambiguity behind the act of suicide and the justifications for why it should be allowed, which the series has a few solid points with. However, it eventually became a muddled mess with the series seemingly having supernatural elements with Ai's ability to drive people to commit suicide, trying to toss in navel-gazing over defining good and evil, and expanding the scope of the series to an international scale with many countries considering suicide laws of their own. The whole G7 Summit dabbling into what's defined as "good and evil" in this episode felt a bit pretentious to me as the series seemed to be attempting to try making up for its meandering direction, yet not having a clue on where exactly it wants to steer things at this point. Bare in mind I've seen my fair share of anime mind-benders and titles dabbling into morally gray areas over the years like Serial Experiments Lain, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Angel's Egg, and Monster. So saying "I don't like it because it doesn't have enough action" or "I'm not thinking hard enough to appreciate it" isn't gonna change my perceptions on how shoddy Babylon's been in its second half. You like it and find anything meaningful with it? Fine. But don't get too high-strung if not everybody shares your opinion on it, especially as it seems reception to Babylon's gotten rather divisive with its recent episodes. |
| There's something I really don't understand and it bothers me a lot. I’ll try my best to explain myself since English isn’t my mother tongue. When speaking about the suicide law, most of the talk seems to relay on morality, "is it right or it is wrong letting people kill themselves?"... those in favor of the law say that "people should have the right to choose"... Why is no one talking about the reasons that would lead someone to take their own live, though?. I think most of the time, someone who's suicidal is someone who's heavily depressed and thinks that's the only way out, so I think letting people choose in such a vulnerable and unstable mental state is crazy. Also, I've heard suicide survivors say that people don't really want to die, they just want the pain to stop. Why is no one talking about this in the show? Or maybe this has been discussed but I somehow missed it? It’s really bizarre. It would be like debating capital punishment without making a case against it speaking about wrongful convictions. I really think the show’s at its best when it focuses on Magase and Seizaki. First part of the anime was way better in my opinion. But anyway, only one episode left and I’m intrigued in how’s it gonna wrap up. |
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