Enen no Shouboutai Episode 2 Discussion

Minar-kyun said:
This show is becoming so very shounen. Not that it's a bad thing.

2ego said:


No, it doesn't serve as a goal, as they're not moving towards it, and there's no given way to move towards it. Leaving it as "people are combusting without a reason and we don't need a reason, let's just live" without a question to why would instantly make the story "bad." I presume it will move later though, so I'm not saying this is by any means "bad."

SorveteDeNata said:
THIS ANIME IS SO BADLY DIRECTED I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME it's ok because everyone is allowed to have their own opinions, I kinda understand if u like it because the animation and the effects are beautiful but the direction is a awful but I probably gonna drop it because it is so hard to watch

MasterHavik said:
Knight King....this show is for kids.

Besides that I like the titbit of why they shouldn't walk around with their expose weapons. I like the code of honor. It explains why they pray for everyone they kill.

AnotherGuy said:

Because, even if it's shonen, it needs to make some sense. Why would firefighters fight amongst themselves, specially the rookies? If if was the entrance exam for them, or a yearly evaluation of the firefighters, it could make sense. But these guys are fresh out of the academy, what's the point in evaluating them now? It seems extremely out of place here, kind of like the tournaments in Shokugeki no Souma or Yakitate Japan.

Authors throw in these arcs when they're out of ideas or want their characters to develop quickly. But it's episode 3 we're talking about. There hasn't been any plot or character development yet. We don't even know these people.

Actor_Irelend719 said:
I honestly felt like the animation went kind of downhill at the first part of the episode this time with unnecessary brawling and the "still, flat" animation scenes, making it awkward. The episode could've done better by just following the manga instead of making a filler scene with muscle-girl. No offense to her or anybody, but I felt like the people just slammed the scene down to get everyone to laugh but failed to. The fight scenes were so dull too despite the amazing art. Other than that, the second part was fantastic, brilliant execution of scenes and angles. The shading was awesome too. But it gets tedious for me to keep watching somehow, like the show is lacking something to keep it interesting to follow. Like a farse maybe? The scenes between Demon boy and so-called knight felt lacking in rivalry and the animation were kinda "still" and lacking in natural motion ...

Like, standing, right? To a person's eye, it may seem still, but the body is never as still as any object would be on a flat table. The body is always in motion, balancing the body with the two feet and utilizing the hip. Same concept with the hand. If you hold out your hand and look at it, it can't stay perfectly still at all. That's why sometimes when you carry cameras sensitive to motion, there would be shaking to the screen somehow. I've experienced this many times before.

I'm not being picky, but I felt something was lacking this time around. However, the execution of the victim this time around was nicely done. The atmosphere was nice.

Black_Sheep97 said:
they kill people and one guy calls himself Knight king so the show is for kids. Great logic man

Zyukichan said:
I really hate what they are doing to the show already.

The frames/animations are annoying. They literally take a manga screen and animate as less as possible. Sometimes there is literally nothing happening and a bunch of voices for 10 seconds or so. It doesnt feel that the people and the show "live", which is why it really annoys me. The fight scene with Maki had some very interesting stuff but I hate how the rest of it was executed. It must be my first 'I read the manga first' anime I've seen but man Im not sure I can bother watching this anymore.

Black_Sheep97 said:
you're evidence for suggesting that it's a show for kids is lacking, good people die on this show and it's tragic that they radomnly combust not something that you want to expose you're kid to especially considering that the MC backstory involves a baby and a mother being burned alive.

Your logic is so flawed here and misguided, him calling himself that doesn't suggest it's a show for kids, it suggest that his character has the maturity of a child, these archetypes exist believe.

Just because you praise something after you critisize doesn't make your critism fair.

Actor_Irelend719 said:
I honestly felt like the animation went kind of downhill at the first part of the episode this time with unnecessary brawling and the "still, flat" animation scenes, making it awkward. The episode could've done better by just following the manga instead of making a filler scene with muscle-girl. No offense to her or anybody, but I felt like the people just slammed the scene down to get everyone to laugh but failed to. The fight scenes were so dull too despite the amazing art. Other than that, the second part was fantastic, brilliant execution of scenes and angles. The shading was awesome too. But it gets tedious for me to keep watching somehow, like the show is lacking something to keep it interesting to follow. Like a farse maybe? The scenes between Demon boy and so-called knight felt lacking in rivalry and the animation were kinda "still" and lacking in natural motion ...

Like, standing, right? To a person's eye, it may seem still, but the body is never as still as any object would be on a flat table. The body is always in motion, balancing the body with the two feet and utilizing the hip. Same concept with the hand. If you hold out your hand and look at it, it can't stay perfectly still at all. That's why sometimes when you carry cameras sensitive to motion, there would be shaking to the screen somehow. I've experienced this many times before.

I'm not being picky, but I felt something was lacking this time around. However, the execution of the victim this time around was nicely done. The atmosphere was nice.

MasterHavik said:
I don't see how my logic is flawed or misguided. You are very defensive of this show my man. I'll explain why it is a kdis show.

First off its genre is aimed at young boys. Secondly, the show has no blood. Thirdly, the dialogue is very simple and to point and really corny lines like Shinra calling Arthur a wuss and etc. Also we don't see his mom beign burned alive or her grave. You're thinking with the mindset of an American and not a Japanese person. You have to remember they allow a few more times than America. That is why something like AOT, Hunter x Hunter, and Naruto are consider kids shows despite their dark themes. I can't believe I have to explain this to someone when everyone knows Shonen are at aimed at young boys and Jump makes it their main market.

Actually it does suggest the show is for kids be. That doesn't suggest he is more cause when you think about it a Knight can't be a King. It is an oxymoron. He isn't mroe mature than a child or Shinra for that matter as msot tiems characters who have to call themselves this have either their head up their ass or are extremely arrogance. So yeah......

That isn't what I meant though. You mistook my praise as somehow criticism of the show. I never said it to make my criticism fair but told you that what you were critiquing was me actually speaking positively of the show to show that you were not making sense my man.

I really hope the fanbase of this show doesn't act like you because you seem to be a prick to anyone who has mildly dislike for something about it.

Black_Sheep97 said:
I don't even care for this show I just think you're reasoning is superficial ,petty and dismissive. I think the show is average at best for now.

They don't show any blood but they show people getting killed and burned and mother and infant dying in the first episode , so it's for kids because it doesn't show any blood great we'll guided logic here. Cause showing blood is more violent than people dying that makes sense. Name one American kids show that did what fire force does.

MasterHavik said:
You do know that infant dying is off screen right? Also that's very commonplace for shonen. They will show someone dying but make sure there isn't any blood.

Also you don't watch a lot of kids show as 90s X-Men and Power Rangers have done this before. Yes fucking Power Rangers of all things.

I think the show is average too but you getting real tight over my comments. I don't see how I am any of the adjectives you listed off.

bastek66 said:

What does that even mean? Shounen is demographics not genre, it doesn't specify anything about the plot.

Ventus_S said:
MHA has EVEN SLOWER PACING than this at start.
They literally stretch the initial boring part as much as possible. (Deku's flashback extend way more than in the manga.)

Black_Sheep97 said:
I'm not a manga reader so I lack that frame of reference. I found the fight scene to be exciting personally and liked the character interactions in the first half, it's something that needs to be showcased for the story to progress. I don't see it as going downhill , I see it as them adhering to the style of direction and animation they had in the first half, which were quick transitions of still frames from character to character during interactions.

yes and what are we doing we are watching somebody else , we aren't embodying them, so yeah they would look still considering the context of the scenes where they do.
Imo you are being picky cause it's unrealistic to expect characters to constantly make movements especially when they are just talking and unreasonable to expect animators to work at that

Todd_ said:
A much weaker episode than last weekend's stellar showing. Maki is super cute and sexy. I want to see more of her.

The new rival character is horrible. He ruined whatever chemistry the team had in episode 1. He's insanely annoying and just ruins Shinra's character. They just sound like 5 year olds bickering at each other and it's a detriment to the show's entertainment value.

I found the scene in the house well directed, but that was the best part as far as directing goes. The rest of the episode felt odd and choppy. What is going on with those weirdly psychedelic moments? They feel so out of place. And even the scene on the roof top felt awkward, so much so at times I didnt know what was happening.

This episode has me nervous. I loved the first episode, but if it continues in tbr direction episode 2 took it, Fire Force is in deep trouble.

Actor_Irelend719 said:


Eh, dude, I meant that the characters are like, flat sometimes and there are awkward pauses. I didn't expect better animation (of course, animating is a pain in the arse), it's just the way the scenes are executed with weird flat scenes felt a lil' down for me. It could be the art that needs some shading or depth, I don't know, but something is off.

Minar-kyun said:
I know that shounen is demographic. My way of putting it wasn't quite right. What I meant to say is that the plot is becoming kinda like a mainstream battle shounen show.

bastek66 said:

Which battle shounen? There is shitload different ones.

bastek66 said:

Which battle shounen? There is shitload different ones.

bastek66 said:

Which battle shounen? There is shitload different ones.

Minar-kyun said:
Likw I said, the mainstream ones.Like I said, the mainstream ones.

bastek66 said:

Which mainsteam ones?

Minar-kyun said:
[aruto, Fairy Tail, My Hero Academia, Bleach, One Piece etc. has become some famous stereotypes for shounen shows. And the shows following that stereotype ends up becoming mainstream. Like Black Clover, Radiant etc.
Enen no Shouboutai uses many similar formulas too. But the execution is great, so it's fine.

You are kinda persistent man.