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PrimeX said: Dammit this episode is way too short. Anyway, I have a theory about that goblin horn summon thing. First, it might be like what Ains said that she completed some sort of hidden requirement. Or. This game, yggdrassil, is getting even more realistic in terms of, well, everything. That horn is called Horn of the Goblin General, so a general has to have an army not twenty low level goblins like what Ains says that happens in the game besides it's just a game, it has to have restrictions or else it would crash lol even skyrim when modded too much will break no matter how good of a pc rig you have. This is the reality of this world now, you summon an army of goblins, you get an army of goblins. This is just like what happened in the 3rd episode of the first season, when Ains first saved that very same village and when he killed a person for the first time he didn't feel a thing cause he's undead. Dammit this show really brings out the mmorpg gamer in you. Kinda like Log Horizon. According to the LN, this "hidden function" did really exist even back in the game. But you are most likely right that the New World being actual reality compared to the game system made a difference, because Enri wasn't as restricted by game system limitations when it comes to fulfilling the 3 unknown conditions to summon the army. |
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| When I saw the cgi for this episode I was like: Oh dear god, those obsessed with aesthetics would be fixated on this and nitpick to no end... I'll be honest; the cgi could've been better but overall the episode was tense and I was enjoying every moment of it. I've seen far worse animation with or without cgi coupled with horrible writing. |
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Z3R0215 said: What the fudge is with that goblin army!! The true power of the item that Ainz so casually gave to Enri all the way at the start of the story |
| Enri is sooooooooo OP. Well it's a "so bad, it's fun(ny)" episode. but seriously it's so bad Lupusregina <3 Edit: Just realized if Sol-chan is Solution. PS. 2 more episode will be rushed af. |
| The three conditions/rules that need to be met for the horn's special and hidden effect to activate are presumed to be this.. 1- Be of very low level 2- Be friendly with Goblins/never have killed one (or many) before 3- Have a certain amount of levels in the Commander job class/role (which I believe Enri got most if not all of commanding that 1st group of Goblins) Enri met all of these, but really in the game, the chances of someone ever meeting these requirements were incredibly tiny, hence no one (that's known of anyway) activating it in the 12+ years the game was up for. I believe it's very difficult to get Commander levels at a very low level (as low as Enri is anyway) and most players killed at least a few goblins for exp (presumably, they're a weak mob..) and also very few people even used the item more than once anyway since it's so low level and generally trash-tier. It wasn't popular at all. |
ZaugrSep 18, 2018 10:30 AM
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JayCray21 said: Grey-Zone said: Yes I just rechecked with the LN, see my edit. So I guess the red caps are stronger than Death Knights in offense, and most other stats, but weaker than Death Knights in defense - and Death Knights also have that zombie infection ability. Not to mention that the Re-Estize Kingdom has relatively weak soldiers compared to other nations, though in this case the prince has 4000 elite troops from that one scarred Marquis, which I think are stronger than the average Kingdom soldier, but still considerably weaker than any Baharut Empire Knight. Considering that the kingdom has to draft 100000+ soldiers while the Empire only summons around 5000+ knights speaks to the differences between the quality of their soldiers LOL Most of hte kingdom army is conscripted FARMERS so yeah |
duhu1148 said: DodeDagon said: So can anyone just spoil/explain what the conditions were for the giant goblin army to be summoned? Thanks It's never directly stated in the Light Novels (as of yet, anyway). Even Ainz himself doesn't know why, after all, so it's not like you can introduce that information on a whim. There's a bunch of theories though. IMO best ones are: - Levels in Commander/General class - Keep a pack of goblins summoned via horn alive for X amount of time - Be greatly outnumbered - Own a base Etc Etc. Thanks for the reply. Oh and regarding the cgi, honestly it looking bad wasn't the worst part of it, it was the directing. They mostly showed close ups to just certain parts of the army but never really scaled it to where you could feel that it really was 5000 goblins or even over 500 just cause of how bad it was directed. |
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Zaugr said: The three conditions/rules that need to be met for the horn's special and hidden effect to activate are assumed to be this.. 1- Be of very low level 2- Be friendly with Goblins/never have killed one (or many) before 3- Have a certain amount of levels in the Commander job class/role Enri met all of these, but really in the game, the chances of someone ever meeting these requirements were incredibly tiny, hence no one (that's known of anyway) activating it in the 12+ years the game was up for. I believe it's very difficult to get Commander levels at a very low level (as low as Enri is anyway) and most players killed at least a few goblins for exp (presumably, they're a weak mob..) and also very few people even used the item more than once anyway since it's so low level and generally trash-tier. It wasn't popular. Very low indeed considering the majority of players in Yggdrasil were human and they had ACTUAL incentives to hunt monster races like goblins. Clever bastard devs |
| The cgi wasn't that bad for me, but could be better. I love Lupusregina's sadistic face, finally someone will kill that annoying prince. |
| I hope this bad CGI was a result of them working more on the other battle Please let it be like that |
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Zaugr said: bapo224 said: Imagine being such a miserable person you can't enjoy a great episode just because it had a couple of seconds of CGI that doesn't meet your unrealistic standard. Man I sure feel bad for y'all. Imagine not being understand the nature of opinions and criticism. Also, "a couple of seconds"... come on man. :D Comments like 'my eyes are bleeding' and 'badhouse ruined overlord' aren't constructive criticism, they're just unnecessary hate. Either way I never said people aren't allowed to say stuff like that, just saying it must suck if you let such a minor thing ruin the whole show for you. I genuinely pity people that find it so difficult to enjoy themselves. |
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| I have to rewind and watch the Goblin army march. It was amazing and I always knew Enri is special as she has may be some talent.. |
| Could they have used any more CGI in this episode? Wtf is wrong with you Madhouse?? The mediocrity of this episode was almost bad. Tho the scene with Lupusregina was awesome, her best girl ranking went up! |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| That goblin army was so cool and badass! Too bad the CGI kind of ruined it a bit. I mean, I know how CGI looks, but I was expecting something better... Ainz's reaction was so funny! |
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| Sucked that they rushed the battle and hid a lot from it. |
| Only disappointment I had here was that they didn't show Lupusregina torture that idiot of a deluded prince to death. How I wish I saw that, Barbro was such a deplorable human being in the LN to the point that he wanted to rape Nabe when he first saw her. |
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| Boy, bad CG sure killed the mood when the army arrived. Even more than basically skipping the whole battle. Now the question is if they are saving the resources for the finally battle or are just that bad... |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| I wonder how the "Goblin march" would change if you played Imperial March from Star Wars over it. |
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| From today on Lupusregina is my waifu <3 |
| The remake of Berserk is a mistake. |
| Man that felt so short, still, seeing Ainz's reaction when Enri blew the second horn was priceless. ALL HAIL ENRI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Alright about the story, Does anyone have any idea about what the authors thought process could have being when writing the events found in this episode? I mean the part about the overkill 5000 Goblin army with a holy marching band included was almost expected with how this story is for the most part a power fantasy with plenty of violence to satisfy all your gore cravings. The part that puzzled me tho is why did the author write it that way? Why let the prince go only to kill him right after in an even more horrific fashion? My guess is that the suffering of the prince was exactly the point and the author decided he wanted to prolong it a little further. I got two issues with that #1 obviously that the 5000 soldiers that accompanied the prince didn't deserve to die and suffer horribly just because they happened to have a lousy commander in charge. and #2 Lupisregina actions by taking the life of the prince would be directly against the best interest of the villagers. I can see Ains and Demiuge would casually come up with a list of entities they feel are better off gone to advance their agenda; but the way I see it they would have being better off killing the prince at literally any other time! I'm guessing a future conflict for the villagers could have being avoided had they just let that prince return before killing him off discretely. Now the villagers will be to blame and there will be little arguing about them acting on self-defense since no witnesses were left alive. This isn't the first time I feel Ain's minions aren't acting in the best interest of Ain's Goals but it's getting more and more annoying particularly because you just know that by the end of this story Ains's will come out victorious anyway... after a massive blood bath that in all likelihood could have being avoided. Again I want to be explicit about this, I'm not having an issue with this concept, I'm having an issue with the execution. I would enjoy this story a lot more if the problems the main characters encounter weren't a direct result of their own incompetence. Stop pretending Momonga is a genius master mind already! At this point he is just become another gary stu. Everything works out in his favor no matter what mishaps happens along the way. I know the source material was from the start a fanfiction at heart and that was awesome during season one, unfortunately the quality of the writing has declined likely to the authors inexperience and possibly because the project was fundamentally meant to be more self-serving than to present something for the entertainment of others. Well I guess no story is perfect, the issues I mentioned aren't likely to make me drop the series, they are just preventing me from enjoying the series as much as I could. |
NonintelligentSep 18, 2018 12:28 PM
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| Episode itself was 10/10, but that CGI was overused imo. |
| I wish they would at least do a goob job with the cg. It's not hard to randomize some parameters or offset animations to give the groups of characters at least some kind of natural look, just copied and pasted nothing else...This was just lazy. Since this episode was full of big fights the cg was obviously very apparent. The next fights are going to be fun... All this probably due to understaffing and production problems. What a sad industry. |
SmthAwfulSep 18, 2018 12:30 PM
| There's certainly some sort of affinity to the goblins (or "reputation") as a requirement to that special ability of summoning that many goblins. Bad CGI.. Fight! hehe The cgi is a problem if it get you out of the immersion that the fight was supposed to be.. and to me it was a problem They overused it too much in a short amount of time. Anw i'm looking forward to the real war (that probably will be a whole lot of more cgi) |
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Leonzilla said: The part that puzzled me tho is why did the author write it that way? Why let the prince go only to kill him right after in an even more horrific fashion? My guess is that the suffering of the prince was exactly the point and the author decided he wanted to prolong it a little further. I got two issues with that #1 obviously that the 5000 soldiers that accompanied the prince didn't deserve to die and suffer horribly just because they happened to have a lousy commander in charge. It's war. In war people get slaughtered. And Enri clearly sided with Ains here. So they were enemies. They would have clearly slaughtered the whole village after they found out they sided with Ains. and #2 Lupisregina actions by taking the life of the prince would be directly against the best interest of the villagers. I can see Ains and Demiuge would casually come up with a list of entities they feel are better off gone to advance their agenda; but the way I see it the would have being better off killing the prince at literally any other time! It was full moon, meaning Lupusregina was in complete sadist mode. And she got those redcaps from Ains. So Ains was okay with them being slaughtered. Afterall it would've been much worse to let him live, because he could come back with a stronger army next time. Also it wasnt Enris decission to let him go, but the goblin shoguns. I'm guessing a future conflict for the villagers could have being avoided had they just let that prince return before killing him off discretely. Now the villagers will be to blame and there will be little arguing about them acting on self-defense since no witnesses were left alive. That's where you're wrong. This is still war and they knew the village was under his command or allingend to him. And also lets not forget that there are two episodes where Ains will show his power. And I highly doubt after that anyone of them would want to lay a finger on that village. This isn't the first time I feel Ain's minions aren't acting in the best interest of Ain's Goals but it's getting more and more annoying particularly because you just know that by the end of this story Ains's will come out victorious anyway... after a massive blood bath that in all likelihood could have being avoided. Ains gave Lupus the RedCaps. So he was okay with killing the prince. I would enjoy this story a lot more if the problems the main characters encounter weren't a direct result of their own incompetence. Stop pretending Momonga is a genius master mind already! At this point he is just become another gary stu. Everything works out in his favor no matter what mishaps happens along the way. He is no mastermind. That title goes to Demiurge. But lets not forget, Momonga is a spell caster with a very high intelligence stat. that means he IS very intelligent. And also he is currently the strongest person (besides his NPCs) in this world (anime point of view, not LN). There's nothing you can throw at him that he cant overcome. Maybe other players. But the anime isnt that far yet. And even then... So far they had been battling 1v1 most of the time... if he activates all his assets and summons, potions and scrolls, he could easily conquer the world just by sheer force. But that's not what he wants. |
Inorichi said: For madhouse, that was hella low quality. I honestly thought CG had some hope after watching NGNL Zero. Not anymore. Like honestly, I'm kinda terrified of what to expect in the next episode, seeing as how terrible the CG was in this episode. All you light novel readers should know what I'm talking about. Since I first saw the opening I'm fully expecting CGI sheeps. And maybe CGI everything too, should prepare yourself beforehand. |
| I don't like the CGI but other than that the episode was pretty good (: |
It's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. |
| Ah my favorite, atrocious CGI clashing against atrocious CGI. Is there a thorough explanation on the goblin horn that doesn't sound completely half-assed and out of nowhere? Otherwise I'll just take this as a another asspull item Ainz has in his arsenal of cash items. |
| The episode was already very boring, but that CGI from fucking Madhouse out of all studios, just made this episode become awful. |
| the spearmen bouncing off the shields XD |
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| Damn... that CGI was really ugly. Might be one of the worst offenders I've ever watched when it comes to CGI. That prince was pretty stupid to just decide killing all of them after attacking first for no good reason. Guess he deserved what was coming for him. I enjoy seeing goblins in action, well at least unless they look absolutely horrible. What really pissed me off was offscreening the last battle though, Lupisregina was the only one whose combat abilities were interesting for me... I have pretty low expectations for the last two episodes now, I would never have thought that season 3 would be that bad :< |
| Too bad for that arrogant prince, he just bit off more than what he can chew. |
Katojana said: It's war. In war people get slaughtered. And Enri clearly sided with Ains here. So they were enemies. They would have clearly slaughtered the whole village after they found out they sided with Ains. I'm guessing a future conflict for the villagers could have being avoided had they just let that prince return before killing him off discretely. Now the villagers will be to blame and there will be little arguing about them acting on self-defense since no witnesses were left alive. That's where you're wrong. This is still war and they knew the village was under his command or allingend to him... None of what you said here is true, the mission that the prince was actually tasked with was to get information. That's all. Attacking them was something ridiculous that the prince decided to do just because he was getting impatient. A true idiot. But he had to be to justify what happened to him after that. He planed to try to draft the villagers into the battlefield just to hold Ainz accountable for them, the villagers were justified in defending themselves just for that. and #2 Lupisregina actions by taking the life of the prince would be directly against the best interest of the villagers. I can see Ainz and Demiuge would casually come up with a list of entities they feel are better off gone to advance their agenda; but the way I see it the would have being better off killing the prince at literally any other time! It was full moon, meaning Lupusregina was in complete sadist mode. And she got those redcaps from Ainz. So Ainz was okay with them being slaughtered. After all it would've been much worse to let him live, because he could come back with a stronger army next time. Also it wasn't Enris decission to let him go, but the goblin shoguns. I'm arguing the exact opposite, by killing him right then and only then they ensure that a conflict will come up in the future where otherwise they could have negotiated once they weren't dealing with a complete no brain of a commander. This isn't the first time I feel Ainz's minions aren't acting in the best interest of Ainz's Goals but it's getting more and more annoying particularly because you just know that by the end of this story Ainz's will come out victorious anyway... after a massive blood bath that in all likelihood could have being avoided. Ainz gave Lupus the RedCaps. So he was okay with killing the prince. and that's exactly the reason I gave to explain why he shouldn't be regarded in this episode as a master strategist so to speak. There have being many other questionable decisions on his and his staff behalf in the past tho. He might be intelligent, but he is making a lot of mistakes along the way, which would be fine if that mattered, but it doesn't. Ainz is going to win spectacularly regardless and that just takes away from the significance of all this events. Without his mistakes having consequences, without there being any chance of him losing something of significance, he is just like a bully picking up candy from babies. Hopefully season 4 will actually bring back some real stakes here because this is actually depressing when you stop and think about it that way. |
NonintelligentSep 18, 2018 2:59 PM
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thebrentinator24 said: *Insert generic comment along the lines of "eRmAhgErd tUrRibLe CgI" here* eRmAhgErd tUrRibLe Cgi xD All these sweet sweet moans from people who are bothered by the CGI. Ah good old MYA community |
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xskitzox said: Enri’s army allowed the prince to escape because from their perspective it was the smart thing to do. However, from Nazaricks perspective the first prince is an obstacle to Princess Renner who they are working with behind the scenes. With him gone they can now focus on putting the second prince as king who is being unwittingly controlled by Renner. As for the safety of Carne Village, it has nothing to worry about. They have declared their allegiance to Ainz, becoming a part of the soon to be established Scorcer Kingdom, meaning anyone who attacks them will need to face Ainz and company. And they now have an extremely OP goblin army by NW standards guarding them. As for Ainz being a Gary Stu, he’s far from it. People in the NW and the NPC’s think that way because everything seems like it’s in the palm of his hand, he’s extremely powerful and for them pretty much unbeatable. But we as readers/watchers know that for the most part he is just playing along and fumbling through Demiurges plan. Yes, I got that everything is working out in the favor of Ainz, but that still wasn't the best way he could have dealt with that situation. It wasn't that his planning skills ensured that everything worked smoothly but that the village got lucky with the horn of the Goblin General. I don't think Ainz original plan to just defend four people instead of the entire village right of the bat was any good. There would have being mayor complications further down the line where he would have needed to get involved anyway if that village had being taken over. At least for this episode there should be no argument that things just worked out for Ainz this time. |
NonintelligentSep 18, 2018 3:08 PM
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| And here come all the people complaining about the CGI. Since when has CGI ever been good in anime? Very FEW times. I swear ever since ufotable came out out with their FSN adaptations people expect every anime studio to follow suit. Madhouse may have been around for a long time and they are indeed one of the leading anime studios in the industry but even they have their limitations. |
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xskitzox said: Lupus was there to ensure the key people of Carne would remain safe. It may have actually been better for the village to be destroyed so it could be advertised as the evil kingdom was willing to kill their own people, so Ainz retaliating was only just. In both scenarios it works out. It wasn’t planned that way, but it worked out anyways because ultimately it doesn’t matter what happens to Carne as long as the potion making continues. 1. Carne village was saved because of the magic item giving to them by Ainz. Everyone is even more loyal to him. 2. Carne village is destroyed by their own kingdom, being the compassionate person he is, Ainz retaliates and destroys the army that killed them. The people see him as a ruler that will destroy anyone that harms people under his protection. A warning to the rest of the world. Either way the first prince was going to die. If he was with the main army he was going to be killed. He was an obstacle to be dealt with and they were going to deal with him in this war. Yea that could have worked too, except for the part that there are hardly any people that would be more loyal to him if the village actually got destroyed as he planned, but I guess that would be something to tell the other people he is bound to rule over about, but in our perspective that would mean he basically planed to let the village be taken over again only to make the kingdom look bad effectively using the lives of the villagers as political tokens. That would be downright evil in my opinion. And the story just seems to be setting things up so that Ainz will be seen as the bestest most just Overlord ruler on the eyes on the world by the time he is ruling everybody. When in reality he has such disregard for human lives is downright disturbing. |
NonintelligentSep 18, 2018 3:28 PM
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| CGI was meh... Is Madhouse known for using CGI often? Anyway, great Episode, too bad they didn't show how the prince was killed (Is he dead?) |
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| That'd be 6th episode of the peasants taking the stage. Denying graphic depiction of prince's death...what a waste. I guess whatever budget the episode had had has ran out at 'quality' CGI. |
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| The Carne Village most likely will become a Kingdom with Enri-sama as a Queen. |
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