Rokka no Yuusha Episode 7 Discussion

Helbram said:
I'm actually a bit disappointed in this Ep, but it was mostly due to animation rather than pacing (Unless that last cliffhanger is the same scene as I think it is and they've skipped a good 2 minutes of extremely important character development and relationship building).
Having "a certain Kyoma" in terrible CGI kind of irked me. Especially since he looked so awesome and detailed in his 2 second appearance in the op (He is supposed to be such an important character so WHY). His voice surprised me too since I expected more of a "gentle old man" voice

GSupernova said:
Not a big fan of the pacing of this episode. I don't like how a conversation that took up 4-5 minutes of the previous episode bled into this episode and took up a significant portion of it(I didn't bother to go back and check, but judging by how fast the episode felt it must have been at least half) and was 90% exposition and flashback. I'm not saying that exposition is bad or anything, but I don't feel like we got anything from Fremy's retelling of her story that wasn't already clear from her initial explanation in the temple, aside from the fact that her family betrayed her. A lot of the rest probably should have been cut, tbh. .

Eda-Mame said:
Nashetania totally gave away the fact that she's the 7th.

Inugirlz said:
....I really don't think Goldov is the 7th so I don't think I'm wrong for saying this: I feel like his feelings for Nachetania really cloud his judgement for thinking Aldet is guilty. It annoys me -.- I wish he had a better personality because I really like his character design (sheep rock)

Chamot is still annoying af

Hate how Maura is calling the shots. She's suspicious to me too (although i still think the princess is guilty in some way)

Feel like this episode needed more content, damn i want the next ep

Also that kyouma was creepy. I swear it just looked like a person in a costume.

Jagd84 said:


Um no? Ep 5 and 6 had way more talking. And what retelling? Before now all we knew about Fremy was she was half-breed and the Brave Killer. She never explained why turned sides or the real reason she fought for Demon God to start with and that is exactly what talked to him about. That said this show is a mystery show not action/adventure. Dialogue, development and exposition further the plot in this genre than fighting does. So everything each character say is important. The pacing fits well for what this is. Either deal with it or watch something else. That's only thing I can tell you.

Kampane said:
I really enjoyed hearing our main protagonist's background (although it was pretty predictable) this episode, but more so the continued character development of Fremy, who's turning out to be the most interesting character of the show so far for me.

Although I wish we got to see more fighting this episode, I still felt like it was just a tease of next week's episode. I've been wanting to see Adlet go all out in a fight for a long time. Also when are we going to see the braves actually fight the demons? I would understand if this were an anime 50 episodes or so, but this show is only going to have 12. So are we going to find out the false brave and the season will end? If so, hopefully the show gets more episodes next season (if it has one).

Ugoki said:


Yeah, they start fighting seriously against the demons in the next volume, which won't be adapted because this anime is a commercial failure.

Just read the LNs. It's good enough.

Sokah said:
Nice of Hans to do a "before I kill you Mr. Bond" and jump on Adlet to gloat rather than just kill him.

Pacing continues to be horrible. We got shown backstory that has nothing to do with getting out of the barrier. When I told a guy they're spending the entire season in the barrier his jaw literally dropped. He'd already dropped the show for bad pacing and now he felt like a super genius for doing so. He couldn't understand how a show framed as assaulting the demon king could get derailed into being about getting out of a room. 12 episodes is 2 full length movies worth of time. The Avengers could have saved the earth twice in the same time.

Sokah said:


*faceplam* I keep asking you to stop responding to me. You have again either misunderstood or are bringing up completely irrelevant things as if they mattered and then insulting me.

Rather than simply stab him with his blade he spent 10x as long as that would take to jump on him and talk to him. Your knives comment is immaterial.

CaptainKatsuura said:

While that's true I still maintain that a little girl (I mean how old is she? 10? 12?) wanting to kill and torture people is just a little bit creepy. Just a little bit though. Apart from the killing and torturing she's positively adorable (and I don't care what anyone says, glowing snakes are awesome).

Kanra_san said:


I like how you worded that... When I first saw the first two episodes, I thought it was gonna be the classic adventure story where they get stronger and fight the final enemy or "boss" you could say.

But I was far from right... The last thing I thought was that it would turn into a mystery and get me hooked. I'm glad I didn't know anything about it when I started watching. :D

Also, whenever you hint at something I assume you know what you're talking about and then I go back to look at what you hinted at. By doing that I rethink everything. XD

MasaneX said:
Tgurneu's VA really doesn't suit him. xD

ttcchen said:
I'm disappointed the talk with Fremy is too long. they barely fit the fight in the end...
Teguneus voice is nice. it really suits his personality.

Zefyris said:


very surprised about Tgurneu's voice. I was expecting about everything but that type of voice. I personally do not think that a deep voice fits him, so why not.
Our fiend General was very very Oshare today. That was quite a nice hat there. And well, greetings are very important indeed.

There are huge animation problems in this episodes, the anime is really becoming a mess on that point. The fight at the end severely suffered from it, which is usually very bad news when they can't even find the properly skilled animators to do properly a fight of around one minute and needs to ask for unskilled freelancers instead (since that's what it is really in those case).
Say what you want about CGI but at least the 3D CGI isn't betraying us so far.

Fremy escaped the problem and that's about the only character who was properly animated and drawn almost in every scene this episode. Good performance of Aoi Yuuki this episode. That moment when she becomes emotional about her mother was strong. Last episode the best voice acting in the episode was Miyuki Sawashiro imo (young adlet) but this time it's definitely Aoi yuki.

So let's see what they can do next episode with the fight scene. They're doing very good as respecting the novels but my god the animation is becoming worrisome. How will they do the next episode properly at that rate, that's beyond me. Get yourself together, Passione.

Sokah said:


You may have noticed this isn't a novel. You're comparing apples to cellphones. Putting elements into a show that have nothing to do with the resolution of the show is bad writing. It's bad writing in a novel too, come to that.

They have 4 hours of time to get the story across. Squandering that uselessly on irrelevant things is called a slice-of-life which this show is not listed as.

xXPORTALXx said:
I have to ask: did anything really happen in this episode!? Sure we got a little more back story and a tiny fight scene but that was it... kinda disappointed since the pacing was so good up till now.

kamijoan said:
Ignore that sound of people fighting and throwing bombs, let's find a clue that Hans is the 7th.... it will surely be in some random spot of this random forest...!

Rinzan said:


Honestly I'm baffled at how some people still haven't grasped Rokka's true nature as a mystery story. It's not being derailed, it's what it actually is about. You'll get your kyouma fighting later in 2nd volume's adaptation, but even then it won't be the focus.

kamijoan said:
Ignore that sound of people fighting and throwing bombs, let's find a clue that Hans is the 7th.... it will surely be in some random spot of this random forest...!

lucidbrandon said:
what a stupid cliffhanger, the worse kind too. It's so obvious he isnt gonna die so why cut if off there.

Looks like princess is just luring goldof further and further away pretending to be oblivious

TheHonestThief said:
I'm growing suspicious of Mora. She seems too quick to agree with everyone. She doesn't challenge Hans, stop Goldof, truly support Fremy, or truly attempt to reign in Chamot. Her lack of action just serve to sow chaos and distrust. Since the beginning she's played mediator for everyone, casually allowing scrutiny to slip her by... Well, that's just one of my thoughts at this juncture. I'm also juggling the notions that Goldof is suspicious, Nachetania, that none of them are villainous, that a separate party is the cause of it all. I'm not sure yet. I'm still too ignorant on the possibilities of this world.
Pretty damn cool that Adlet was extremely studious alongside his combat training. He may not always be the most logical, and he's certainly too trusting (though not as much as the others suspect), but I like him. I don't think he's completely at Hans' mercy either. Adlet has a lot of tricks, and I imagine he still has one up his sleeve. Maybe not an ace, but something that will allow him to retrieve all his items.

walldotfm said:


Agree. I actually like it better that way. "6 heroes chosen by Fate, fight a Demon Lord, save the World" makes it really boring.

Jagd84 said:


-More of Adlet's backstory+ introduction to a future antagonist
-Fremy's backstory and reasons for joining the Braves
-Development of Adlet's and Fremy relationship
-The hunt for Adlet begins
-Nashetania revealing her plan to help Adlet and expose Hans as the 7th
-First half battle between Adlet and Hans adapted.

So yes plenty relevant happened, whether your interested in it or not.

Kampane said:
I really enjoyed hearing our main protagonist's background (although it was pretty predictable)

Ugoki said:


That's basically what the plot is about though, only the demons are using their brains alongside their brawns. They've been defeated three times after all, so they gotta improve their strategy.

Zefyris said:

As if it was. I'm pretty sure not a single watcher predicted Adlet's past.
Here's what peoples thought after last episode : "the fiends came to his village and killed everyone but him, and since then, he has been training to get revenge /by hatred". Right?

Here's what happened "a single polite fiends came to talk, left without any violence. The villagers that Adlet knew all his life and trusted killed Adlet's relatives and friend by themselves without any fiend's help. And Adlet didn't become strong with revange, but because he doesn't want to lose anything again, and actually even deny that someone can become strong with hatred".
Both his past and his motivation were not expected by the watchers. So predictable, as if.

MagicalMahou said:
Well, I suggest everyone bring a vomit bag for next episode. You're gonna need it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Jagd84 said:

Um no? Ep 5 and 6 had way more talking. And what retelling? Before now all we knew about Fremy was she was half-breed and the Brave Killer. She never explained why turned sides or the real reason she fought for Demon God to start with and that is exactly what talked to him about. That said this show is a mystery show not action/adventure. Dialogue, development and exposition further the plot in this genre than fighting does. So everything each character say is important. The pacing fits well for what this is. Either deal with it or watch something else. That's only thing I can tell you.

GSupernova said:


By all means, attempt to fit every criticism of the pacing of the series(or this episode specifically) into the box of 'wtf talking? wheres the fights!1/1/1?' On the other hand, we can actually have a conversation about how filling significant portions of a 12 episode cour with retellings of past events that, while relevant to individual character motivation, ultimately are irrelevant to the actual mystery. As Fremy herself said, everything she said could have been a lie. It doesn't prove she's innocent, all it does is build her character.

Unfortunately for the way this mystery is being adapted, this character motivation may be relevant to later parts of the story, but it only(seemingly) serves to eat away at the time the series has to show us the story that is happening right now. It also creates a way for Adlet and Fremy to bond at this point in the story, so it is likely serving to be faithful in that respect.

And yes, episode 5 and 6 had more talking. And if you go back and read my comments in those threads, I did not complain about the pacing there(or anywhere else, for that matter). Why? Because the discussion was actually in the present, about the present situation and mystery. That's what I wanted to see in this adaptation. A focus on the mystery. This episode failed to deliver on that, in my opinion. Does that mean the series is ruined or that I'm dropping it? No, not at all.

TheNaturalPerm said:
"I'm going to become the Hokage!"


DERP

LittleStar said:
I really start to ship AdletxFremy! *.*