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Mar 1, 2015 5:55 AM
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Ooh, some rage this episode with Maria. But for what's worth, Maria's connection with Joseph seems to have gotten closer. Oh all the teases

Interesting to see the darker development of this episode as well. Episode felt a bit slow but I hope Maria knows where her place is now. Good to know that Joseph believes in her though despite others accusing Maria of being a heretic and all.
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Mar 1, 2015 7:14 AM
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This episode had a lot of emotions yet again this week, particularly from Ezekial, Maria and poor little Ann :( The moment that Maria had with Joseph was really cute and goes to show just how close those two are (Just kiss already lol)

This series is getting a lot darker too. Between Galfa, that cunt of a priest Bernard and that evil spirit thing, I can't help but feel like something really bad will happen soon. I had a feeling that Galfa would have gotten a prosthetic arm or something too

It's hard for me to pick a side because on one hand I agree with Ezekial but on the other hand I get why Maria wants to do these things.....The clash of ideals is imo the strongest aspect of this series as of late and it's being done very well

It really hurt me how the grandmother turned on Maria though and I can't stand the fact that they're setting up Galfa to possibly rape Maria or send someone else to do it. I just hope that somehow Galfa's relationship with Joseph will put him on the right path before it's too late.
Mar 1, 2015 7:21 AM
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Now I wish to see more living things that humanity has forgotten!

Saying that her medicine is poison and that the war was lost due to Maria. Ezekiel's short speech was great, telling the inevitable outcome that may one day occur :/ The moment with Joseph was cute too, blush shared both sides!

It really was hard that Bernard basically forced Anne's grandmother to say that being associated with Maria is a sin. Anne witnessing it and crying, even the village that accepted her is turning tail.

Galfa being chief and receiving some sort of medicine >.> from Bernard.

Sigh, things are really looking dim now that the church is succeeding in calling Maria a complete liability that should be completely rid of if not anything worst.
Mar 1, 2015 7:48 AM
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Damn! There's really no way out for Maria is there? The whole world is against her now.

Galfa's got himself quite the prosthetic there :O And is he really going to rape Maria O_o? Or will he be kind enough to force Joseph to do it lol :P...He did notice that Bernard is a devil on the inside.

Maria was kawaii whispering "Bakka janaino" when she was asked if she did it with Joseph :3 The hug scene was cute though.
Mar 1, 2015 7:55 AM
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looks like things are getting worse for Maria, I'm guessing that those troops are heading for Maria's territory.
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Mar 1, 2015 8:56 AM
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REJOICE and suffer not the witch to live.

Mar 1, 2015 9:17 AM
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Galfa, you better fkin not do this to her.
Mar 1, 2015 9:25 AM
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I'm gonna rage if anyone (except Joseph) ends up being sent to "rape" Maria successfully.

Darn that cute yet brief hug moment, I was tearing up inside they didn't show anything else after that
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Mar 1, 2015 9:57 AM
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Bernard needs to get hit with divine lightning.
Mar 1, 2015 10:36 AM
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First half was slow but the second one, holy shit this anime is getting better and better.
Mar 1, 2015 11:24 AM

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Ikano said:
I'm gonna rage if anyone (except Joseph) ends up being sent to "rape" Maria successfully.


Not like anyone but Joseph could catch her off guard. But from what I see, is that an aphrodisiac behind the brother...?

Ah, I don't feel like Martha turned against Maria. Through her foggy eyes she was looking at the cross hanging from the brother's neck, and I feel like she thought that if she accepted Maria in in their presence, it would cause trouble for her family/village, and notable the little girl (who also showed in her foggy vision). Martha has known Maria for so long that I don't want to think her trust is so weak it would be destroyed so easily.

I also half-expected Dovey to admit she might've given the wrong medicine. I guess she doesn't realize it herself?

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Bernard needs to get hit with divine lightning.


What a sight that would be. XD
Mar 1, 2015 12:13 PM
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Galfa gave a Guts vibe with his new prosthetic arm. But I really, really, hope he doesn't do what despicable priest wants him to. That would be an awful turn of events.
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Mar 1, 2015 12:25 PM

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Robo-Galfa is planning a very disturbing operation.
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Mar 1, 2015 1:37 PM
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Poor Maria, a bad rumor about her is being spread across the village.
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Galfa is ready to lose another of his three arms.
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Ezekial's outburst was particularly emotional. You can see that she likes Maria and doesn't like the situation Maria is in right now either. Her ideals and values are inherently good, but she's still really naive in the end.

Ann has just started to learn the dark side of people :(
Mar 1, 2015 2:56 PM

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Welp all hope for Galfa is about to be lost if he follows through with this idea..

Martha renouncing her friendship with Maria in front of Ann was pretty excruciating.

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Galfa is ready to lose another of his three arms.
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Mar 1, 2015 3:19 PM

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Jesus christ Joseph. YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THINGS WORSE.
I really like how the show bounces back and forth on hows in the right on what points. Like how maria was in the wrong to intervene on that last battle, and the church is in the wrong for lying to the people and planning horrid things.

I just want Maria to grow the fuck up already. She has all she needs to live a happy life.
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Mar 1, 2015 3:33 PM

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Am not looking forward to the attempted rape.
Hopefully he'll just send joseph cause then there's a could chance still consent and it will become normal sex.
Mar 1, 2015 4:01 PM

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I knew Galfa would get a prosthetic arm.
Mar 1, 2015 4:41 PM
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Galfa is ready to lose another of his three arms.


OH SHIT I LITERALLY PEED WHEN I SAW THIS LMAO

Anyway, Martha saying she'll no longer interact with Maria made me super sad, and even more sad seeing Anne cry because of it. Bernard is one evil bastard, what priest would assign someone to rape another person? But then again this is in ancient times and the church was very a very fucked up place..
Mar 1, 2015 5:33 PM

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lol maria will not get raped the anime's english name is called Maria the VIRGIN witch meaning she cant have sex until at least the final episode and it will not be by galf more likely jospeh. I wouldnt be suprised if maria is saved by viv or jospeh or her familars or heck the town's people be very suprising
Mar 1, 2015 9:22 PM

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Oh hell naw, homie don't play dat
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Mar 2, 2015 8:51 AM

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Hopefully he'll just send joseph cause then there's a could chance still consent and it will become normal sex.


Yea, that's what I'm thinking too, or more like hoping, but there's a good chance of happening. The fact that he told Joseph, whom he's taken a liking to, to tell Maria to lay low what keeps me hopeful. I'm thinking that he'll burn her house with his men because but secretly tell Maria to just get the hell out of here and LAY LOW, the later being something I definitely agree with. He'd probably urge Joseph to go with her too. That way he'd not kill someone close to Joseph, which he most likely noticed by now, and still supposedly get the job done from Bernard and advance through the ranks.

That being said, if Maria end's up being stubborn even now she'll leave Galfa with no choice. I'm really hoping she won't though as she needs to realize already that this intervention of hers, despite being a nice idea with a good intentions, isn't working and it's causing her some serious trouble. It's just more trouble than it's worth, for everyone really, including herself. I'm all for the ways the other witches approach this and as a witch herself, she should listen to their advice - they found a place for themselves in the world.
Mar 2, 2015 10:32 AM

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I really begin to hate the church for spreading lies about Maria and planning to get her raped. They are the true devil in this anime. And it was really sad to see that Grandma decided to abandon Maria...

Mar 2, 2015 12:10 PM

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Between the priest and Slaine Troyard, im not sure who i want to meet a catastrophic end more.


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Seriously, since when did Maria ever think about anyone else but herself and her own selfish ideal world with no wars? She's not going to stop just because other people want her to, I think she's pretty much made her point of this since the beginning. She has a certain delusion of her own powers and her own morality. Because nothing has happened to her even after she's done everything to defy the Archangel, she thinks she's above reproach. As harsh as it sounds, it's really time that she learned her lesson that she isn't as powerful or as "blessed" as she thinks she is.

I don't see Joseph having the balls to make Maria lose her powers, so I can totally see Galfa doing the dirty deed. All they need is to instigate a conflict where Maria has to send her pets away for a while. He even knows where Maria lives, and convincing Ezekiel that Maria would be better off without her powers, and hence justification for her "rape", would be easy, specially since it would mean Ezekiel would be saved from the need to kill her friend.

That said, this being the anime it has been thus far, I can also see Joseph suddenly growing some balls to protect her, even if it meant killing his friend and turning him away from his Comte and the Church. I'm just having a hard time figuring out how that will happen, since he is way weaker than Galfa in both physique and in brains. I'm betting that the other witches will have a hand in things, but that's my guess only.
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Mar 2, 2015 2:20 PM

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If Maria gets raped (which she won't), I'm dropping the show. I hate so many characters so much, but that's to be expected. Show's good.
Mar 2, 2015 5:28 PM

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Oh hell naw, homie don't play dat

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Seriously, since when did Maria ever think about anyone else but herself and her own selfish ideal world with no wars? She's not going to stop just because other people want her to, I think she's pretty much made her point of this since the beginning. She has a certain delusion of her own powers and her own morality. Because nothing has happened to her even after she's done everything to defy the Archangel, she thinks she's above reproach. As harsh as it sounds, it's really time that she learned her lesson that she isn't as powerful or as "blessed" as she thinks she is.

I don't see Joseph having the balls to make Maria lose her powers, so I can totally see Galfa doing the dirty deed. All they need is to instigate a conflict where Maria has to send her pets away for a while. He even knows where Maria lives, and convincing Ezekiel that Maria would be better off without her powers, and hence justification for her "rape", would be easy, specially since it would mean Ezekiel would be saved from the need to kill her friend.

That said, this being the anime it has been thus far, I can also see Joseph suddenly growing some balls to protect her, even if it meant killing his friend and turning him away from his Comte and the Church. I'm just having a hard time figuring out how that will happen, since he is way weaker than Galfa in both physique and in brains. I'm betting that the other witches will have a hand in things, but that's my guess only.


I'm still leaning towards the other option, namely the one where Galfa has his men burns her house for appearances sake but secretly let's Maria go, tell's her to lay low, Joseph to go with her. If she stubbornly refuses however, he'll proceed with the rape. Then again, I might just be grasping at straws here and see some kindness in Galfa that's not actually there...

Fully agreed that she need's to stop interfering in the god damn wars, although I think that she shouldn't stop being selfish, just be selfish in a different way. What I mean is that she should look out for herself more, just as the other witches do and drop the selfish ideal of stopping the fighting.

If I were a witch and knew the prejudice I'd be faced with I'd just let people have their wars and make a living off that, probably selling my witch medicine to wounded soldiers & mercs. The prejudice against witches by the church will still be there but this way one wouldn't stand out so much so it wouldn't be that much of an issue. Also, she wouldn't make enemies out of pretty much EVERYONE like Maria's doing. Hell, if she keep's it up she might even alienate the other witches.
Mar 3, 2015 4:02 AM

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I hope Bernard dies soon! Garfa is another one that needs to die, can't believe he will try to rape her.
Mar 3, 2015 4:12 AM

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Not like anyone but Joseph could catch her off guard. But from what I see, is that an aphrodisiac behind the brother...?



Opium at a guess.
Mar 3, 2015 8:21 PM
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I always wondered if any religious people are offended watching this anime.
Mar 3, 2015 11:17 PM

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You guys are talking like Maria would get raped easily. The girl is supposedly the most powerful witch in the world. If someone decides to burn her house, I'd assumed that she could easily fix it and drive the intruders away with her magic. Even if Galfa somehow infiltrate her house, unless he finds a way to stop Maria using magic it'd be impossible to do the deed.
Mar 4, 2015 10:11 AM
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It´d be so weird and fucked up if Kagami raped the virgin Maria.
Mar 4, 2015 7:29 PM
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Really plot-heavy episode, so yahhhh for that!

On the other hand, Maria asking herself, "why do I want to stop wars, again?" was really, really unexpected. I expected a flashback to explain it or something, as a rhetorical question... but, it really seems to be the first time she questioned her beliefs.
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I always wondered if any religious people are offended watching this anime.


I am agnostic and even I am offended :-)

I am sure that there are a few, but for the most part I think most just find it ignorant, not offensive. Of course if Bill Donohue was an anime fan I am sure he would be protesting, but he is just another person who wants to play the victim.

Historically speaking, Joan of Arc was executed because she forsake her vow not to wear men's clothing, the reason she gave for wearing it was because the guards would try to rape her if she didn't wear pants, so she said she wore them out of necessity, not rebellion. As such the author sort of has some grounds for this story.

What he misses is that Joan of Arc wasn't condemned by the Church, but rather by secular French allies of the King of England who wanted to eliminate a charismatic enemy leader, but were desperate to find a reason to justify doing it. The Church itself never condoned the execution and cleared her as soon as they were able to do so. Not that this did Joan a lot of good as Maria pointed out, but at the same time it wasn't as if the Church could have stopped the execution either.

While the Catholic Church has a lot of failings, including their sucking up to secular powers, it should be remembered that it was the secular powers who were in control, not the Church. And given that once the Church's restraining hand was completely lifted, things like WWI and WWII broke out should be clear enough demonstrations that the problem wasn't necessarily with the Church. The major issue I have with most histories is that they overly focus on religion while covering up the evils those "rational" people were perpetrating.
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Between the priest and Slaine Troyard, im not sure who i want to meet a catastrophic end more.

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Looks like things are getting intense. I doubt Galfa will actually do anything...

Cute Maria and Joseph moment :)
Mar 6, 2015 7:55 AM

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The plot moves forward while there is a moment of apparent calm. The Monaco finally shows his hands gross blood, which manages to hide because of its eloquence, stirring up the crowd and instilling bad in others, a little as he did "the incorruptible". But the story is not limited to describing the facts underhand intrigues by Bernardo, clarifying also other positions or almost interesting. Engaging the whole the whole episode, drawings and animations of good quality, even the sets are beautiful to see.
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Inugirlz said:
Bernard needs to get hit with divine lightning.

Oh God please make this happen. ~_~
Mar 8, 2015 11:56 AM

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Bernard needs to die already
Mar 8, 2015 9:12 PM

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I would rather see consensual sex. It's going to go in a dark direction, but I do like how it's focusing in on a few characters.
Mar 9, 2015 7:27 PM

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I hate this Galfa guy.
Mar 13, 2015 2:35 PM
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"The church, the church, the church is on fire. We don't need no water later the mothereffer burn. Burn mothereffer, burn."
Mar 16, 2015 7:58 AM
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this anime is so adult, I cant even predict what will happen next!
Mar 17, 2015 7:22 PM

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I don't like where it's heading.
Mar 21, 2015 3:15 PM

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Decent setup episode.. but it was just setup.
Mar 22, 2015 8:14 AM

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DDY late (DameDesuYo)
Galfa hagane upgrade made him not just a soldier but a warrior with that killing skills!
The Monks are already moving like propaganda against Maria.


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