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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Another Lyuze-centric episode, and as I guessed before, she does have "problems" that go beyond her late-blooming passion for Casshern. (Pieces falling off do count as "problems", don't they?) In any event, I am now definitely predicting a "Captain Kirk's girlfriend" destiny for Lyuze. BTW - what is it with Ringo's hyper-sensitive survival instinct? The first tremor of a problem and she is well hidden, along with Casshern's not-quite-best-friend Friender, who also keeps his tail between his legs under most dangerous circumstances. Quips aside, this was another good episode. Maybe next episode we will finally get a meeting between Casshern and Luna. My feeling is that Casshern had better quickly develop a much less trusting and less emo attitude before he meets the Mystery Lady. |
| IMHO, this was the worst episode so far. They could have easily involve Lyuuze rusting into next episode while they are going towards Luna, they really didn't need this episode at all. After 2 boring and unneeded episodes, hopefully next one is better. |
| Another weirdo, actionless (for Casshern) and... good episode. There were sometimes that I didn't know if Lyuze was dreaming or if it were the reality. They can do this reality x dream pretty well! |
| I hope that all Lyuze problems are solved now. |
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| That was a fairly good episode. Perhaps we did not need another episode from the point of view of Lyuze, but it was entertaining overall. I hope the next episode is better. 7\10. |
| Wow, another pseudo-revelatory episode? So all of a sudden Lyuze wants to die and resolves it in a second? So dumb. Again, the pacing was trecharous, and the content was nonsensical. But most of all, I think I'm finally getting tired of this art design. If I see another field of flowers I'll probably kill myself. I really didn't like this episode. |
nina4life said: IMHO, this was the worst episode so far. They could have easily involve Lyuuze rusting into next episode while they are going towards Luna, they really didn't need this episode at all. After 2 boring and unneeded episodes, hopefully next one is better. I agree with you completely. This episode was completely unnecessary. |
| this episode and the previous one should have been combined together. it was a waste of alot of time. also some of the colors pissed me off, having lyuze purple shadowing was ugly and did not fit at all. tho i am hoping she doesn't die and that casshern and her make lil robot babies. |
| to hell with that this episode was pretty good! giacobbo said: There were sometimes that I didn't know if Lyuze was dreaming or if it were the reality. They can do this reality x dream pretty well! i agree, most of the time i was wondering what had happened to Ringo xD |
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crazy_eights said: this episode and the previous one should have been combined together. it was a waste of alot of time. also some of the colors pissed me off, having lyuze purple shadowing was ugly and did not fit at all. tho i am hoping she doesn't die and that casshern and her make lil robot babies. Yeah, I agree; I'm really gunning for Lyuze and Casshern to be together too XD |
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nooblet606 said: to hell with that this episode was pretty good! giacobbo said: There were sometimes that I didn't know if Lyuze was dreaming or if it were the reality. They can do this reality x dream pretty well! i agree, most of the time i was wondering what had happened to Ringo xD Me too; she must have super ninja skills or something, because I kept thinking to myself, "Run!! Ringo, run!! ..... Huh? Where's Ringo????? Wtf... o_o" |
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| This episode was beautiful, not much happened but the background art and music were astounding, the way the two rogue androids somewhat parallel Ryuze and Casshern's relationship and also Casshern's blood staining the roses along with the rain and that awesome insert song in the back made me shiver. I want an OST/Insert song single so bad. |
| Second masterpiece in a row from Casshern (well, episode 17 was great also so it almost makes 3), this series is as fantastic if not better than everyone (I mean critics/specialists) says it to be. It was just poetic, romantic, beautifully symbolic, oniric and cryptically dark. Oh and the direction/animation/music are still top notch. |
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| The bit where the insert song began had me properly sobbing. I don't know why, but it made me cry so much. I want the OST to come out so bad. |
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| What would Casshern think if he had seen Lyuze's dream/hallucination from last episode... RandomOugi said: I echo those thoughts! Such touching Lyuze/Casshern's moments, but I'm not sure if her ruin has begun or it's the realisation it that it awaits that has hit her. I hope it isn't the prelude to death I'm imagining :< I agreed that art seemed even more beautiful this episode, especially the field of flowers.This episode was beautiful, not much happened but the background art and music were astounding, the way the two rogue androids somewhat parallel Ryuze and Casshern's relationship and also Casshern's blood staining the roses along with the rain and that awesome insert song in the back made me shiver... The thought of ninja Ringo is amusing but it's probably more Friender took her out of harms way. Also Ringo hugging Lyuze's arm... so adorable. From the preview, can't wait to see what awaits next episode! |
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| I mentioned this before in my earlier post, but this series is very much like Kino no Tabi, with it being sad and all (especially with the Realism X Dream). |
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| *big sigh*. I sincerely hope this show does not become any more longbreathed. The scenes between Casshern and Lyuze were great, but the desperate talk about the fear to ruin just starts to get on my nerves. One more episode like this and the show drops down to 8/10. crazy_eights said: this episode and the previous one should have been combined together. it was a waste of alot of time. also some of the colors pissed me off, having lyuze purple shadowing was ugly and did not fit at all. tho i am hoping she doesn't die and that casshern and her make lil robot babies. QFT |
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| i just dont get this emo robot sh!t anymore :S |
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| Liked it. Scenery was much prettier and typically Casshern than last episode. I mean, that's to be expected from a dream sequence, but last episode felt so out of place. The crumbling bridge thing was especially cool, and the rain was a nice touch, although I have to agree: noteDhero said: For a post-apocalyptic world, there sure are a lot of flower fields recently. And Casshern and co. never fail to be amazed. How many times have they said "I can't believe something like this still exists." or some similar line?If I see another field of flowers I'll probably kill myself. Good development for Lyuze, as well. Much better than the blatantly obvious "I think I'm in love" revelation. It's also nice to see Casshern being emotionally strong for once. I was so glad that he didn't say, "Kill me if it will make you happy," again. I really wish they would have shown Luna's castle, though. Apparently Ringo could see it, but there was no camera shot of it, right? Weird. I guess we'll find out next episode. |
| Lyuze, please ruin already. |
| Did anyone notice Casshern didn't heal? They zoomed on his hand several times at the end and he still had the slice in his hand. Makes me wonder if his healing abilities are slowing down. From this episode and seeing what Ryuze went through, it makes me think that robots can sustain a longer life if they just believe they can live or they have a goal. Every episode where they show robots just killing other robots because they've lost all hope in living, seem to die first. All the robots with a dream or a purpose seem to live longer..until someone kills them of course lol. If this is the case then it makes sense as to why Ryuze just all of a sudden started to brake apart. She's confused and is losing what little goal she had at the start. It also explains why people who where close to Luna died faster. Their goal was to protect her but since she died they had no reason for living anymore...Except for the Death God guy. His goal ended up changing to killing Casshern. |
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| I feel completely lost after watching Ep 18 & 19. Makes me wonder what got me so interested in this show in the first place. Perhaps it's just these 2 episodes on Lyuze's development.. They feel a little out of place (we're approaching the end of the show!) to me.. In addition, I have some doubts on the pacing issue. Hmmmm.. At least it seems that Casshern will finally get to meet Luna in the next episode.. Please do a proper job or else I'll go mad if the next episode is along the same lines as this and Ep 18. |
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| Beautifull episode. :) |
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| The series is starting to turn into a love story, but I like it this way!! |
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| so now, even she is suffering from the ruin |
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| What was the point of the two attacking robots? I wonder what Oji is doing now? |
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| I think this is one of the best episodes I've ever seen in any anime. Sure, the story isn't very interesting, but the storytelling was absolutely amazing. The art, the animation, the background music, the coloring, the pace, it all fits together into this beautiful harmony. I am quite frankly amazed that so few of the commenters even noticed. You're like those people who hear a symphony and think "meh, it all sounds the same" |
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| One of the best anime episodes I've seen in a long time. Really resonates in the heart. Just gorgeous. |
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| I kinda feel like they're stalling this past few episodes, I hope they pick up the pace again soon. Also I wish they'd stop using that insert song it's kinda getting annoying. |
| The past two episodes could have been resolved in one. |
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| Overall, I've enjoyed the slower pacing and the deeper focus on the character's emotions and life itself, but I've felt these last two eps were more like beating a dead horse. I liked Lyuze, but as it's already been stated, this mopey emo attitude of her's is getting too drawn out. But at least she didn't go completely "poor me" and actually cut the bitch who was attacking her. |
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dbaranyi said: BTW - what is it with Ringo's hyper-sensitive survival instinct? The first tremor of a problem and she is well hidden, along with Casshern's not-quite-best-friend Friender, who also keeps his tail between his legs under most dangerous circumstances. I was honestly thinking that same thing when they were fighting castor and that other random new character that only lasted one episode. (way too much of that by the way) this storyline needs to move along :C |
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Villetta_Nu said: What was the point of the two attacking robots? I wonder what Oji is doing now? Well I guess the point of the two attacking robots was a somewhat manifestation of Lyuze and Casshern's path/future. But it was sooo random that I can't be sure ^^" DeathfireD said: Did anyone notice Casshern didn't heal? They zoomed on his hand several times at the end and he still had the slice in his hand. Makes me wonder if his healing abilities are slowing down. From this episode and seeing what Ryuze went through, it makes me think that robots can sustain a longer life if they just believe they can live or they have a goal. Every episode where they show robots just killing other robots because they've lost all hope in living, seem to die first. All the robots with a dream or a purpose seem to live longer..until someone kills them of course lol. If this is the case then it makes sense as to why Ryuze just all of a sudden started to brake apart. She's confused and is losing what little goal she had at the start. It also explains why people who where close to Luna died faster. Their goal was to protect her but since she died they had no reason for living anymore...Except for the Death God guy. His goal ended up changing to killing Casshern. Great theory! Fits also Ringo and Oji- When Oji noticed her cheek rusting he made her to want live with him together forever and happily ever after- so he gave her the purpose in life. But I'm not sure how the thinking about Casshen's wound had lead you to this? He is immortal even without any purpose in life. May that be the power of Luna? existing for the sake of existing? Btw if she is alive she is quite a bitch... She skipped off the whole world (to die) because she had took offence at Casshern :P and his boss. I don't like her. Sucrificing so many lifes just to prove her rights. About the speed of healing- since the beggining it has been a different amount of time that Casshern needed to heal himself. That is quite annoying though the amount is random imo :I |
| Too much Lyuze lately. TOO MUCH. I liked her before, but now I lost a lot of respect for her. All this unneeded buildup better lead somewhere soon. MagEarwhig said: Also I wish they'd stop using that insert song it's kinda getting annoying. |
| This show sure has gone downhill with these last couple episodes... |
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| I think they've made abundantly clear how the Ruin is affecting everyone in this world, both physically and psychologically. IMO, it's time for the plot to now move on. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
DeathfireD said: Did anyone notice Casshern didn't heal? They zoomed on his hand several times at the end and he still had the slice in his hand. Makes me wonder if his healing abilities are slowing down. From this episode and seeing what Ryuze went through, it makes me think that robots can sustain a longer life if they just believe they can live or they have a goal. Every episode where they show robots just killing other robots because they've lost all hope in living, seem to die first. All the robots with a dream or a purpose seem to live longer..until someone kills them of course lol. If this is the case then it makes sense as to why Ryuze just all of a sudden started to brake apart. She's confused and is losing what little goal she had at the start. It also explains why people who where close to Luna died faster. Their goal was to protect her but since she died they had no reason for living anymore...Except for the Death God guy. His goal ended up changing to killing Casshern. Good theory. That would certainly change things around a bit. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| The past 3 episodes, particularly the Lyuze-centric ones are the worst imho. It's frustating because the 2nd half is so much dull compared to the brilliant 1st half. I fear my score would drop if this continues. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
nooblet606 said: to hell with that this episode was pretty good! giacobbo said: There were sometimes that I didn't know if Lyuze was dreaming or if it were the reality. They can do this reality x dream pretty well! i agree, most of the time i was wondering what had happened to Ringo xD YESH! I AM LIKING THIS PROGRESSION VERY MUCH Shit's starting to feel like near-end Ergo Proxy, only MORE mature. As fucking crazy as it sounds, Ergo Proxy just happens to be more philosophical with some stupid jokey shit in between. THIS one on the other hand..........YES! I like how they developed the relationship between Lyuze and Casshern. And as always, rain always makes it better. |
| Another great episode, interesting fight at the start. I liked how there were no introductions or words or explanation. Also interesting development. |
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| I liked the episode, but I think this "love" is too one sided so far. It seems Casshern treats her like a friend or something, not like the woman he loves. Idk. |
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 Another episode focused on Lyuze? Well, okay. Also, I think this is the third episode in a row they played that song from episode 8. I hope they don't keep using it, as it's not really that potent outside of its context. Plus, I wouldn't want it to get overused. That aside, we got some bits existentialism, some other bits of whether morality or immortality is worse, and a continuation of last episode's introspective questioning, except now it involves Casshern too. I can't say everything really worked out, as the timing of Lyuze rusting was just too convenient given their destination. Though, I liked the moment between Lyuze and Casshern where he mentioned how he's familiar with Lyuze's self-destructive feelings. It was a single, simple yet heavy line that got her to stop trying to get herself killed. So yeah, I'm fine with the episode overall. Still a bit wary though. |
| At some point in this episode, something clicked with me. I'm getting older now, and I have to say, this made me think of a lot of the problems my generation is having now. It also made me think of a lot of the problems I've had personally. A lot of the characters from the first part of the show seemed to be immune to the ruin because of a conviction, or a goal they had. They've made it appear, at least in this episode, that Lyuze was ruin-free until her illusions about Casshern were shattered. In our youth it can seem like nothing matters while you are in pursuit of a goal. For some it's getting somewhere in your career, or starting a family. But from then on you are stuck just trying to hold it all together and prevent the ruin from setting in... this is especially evident if you get into home ownership... it's a constant battle trying to keep your dreams from crumbling. In the world of Casshern sins, everyone was practically immortal. Perhaps this is a look at how to live (the theme song is "Trying to Live" I think") once the dreams are past. I'm still trying to make sense of all this. When you get to the point where you have everything you could have wanted, what is left but fighting the ruin? In Lyuze's case, when everything you thought you were living for turns out to be a mistake, you are left with nothing but fighting the ruin. This show is thorough in it's exploration of motives, or raison d'etre. I think it surpasses anything else I've seen in this regard. In the preview for ep 20- "When we attain that which we seek, it becomes a brief illusion before disappearing into nothing." |
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| There is a deepness in the sky. So high, so low, so many things to know. |
| Filler episode, not plot progression. |
| The two robots were Castol and Helene. Probably the second time Lyuze felt weak combat wise and she grows frustrated because the Ruin was progressing. This ep should implant the fact that Lyuze wants to stay with Casshern. I noticed she was conflicting, annoyingly so since she keeps meeting up with Cass. You have to wonder if SHE WONDERS whether to stick with her revenge or not. Maybe she realizes now that he tries to be humble, she watched him fight for the weak and for those in trouble, and feelings of love (or attachment) start to well up. Janice please....your song. Janice seems to be dead so my heart hurts hearing PATH |
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