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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- SNOW on Christmas day!! First-time biker!! Avril's kaidan again! Rock to get out of exclusive place reminding Victorique of Kujou. Cordelia remembering when Victorique's father torturing her and forcing her to give birth to Victorique... Is that guy who she was in love then... the magician with her now?? Only knows that the magician saved her after that. Victorique searching for Kujou and seeing Cecil preventing Grevil getting her away. Cordelia's cart passing by when Kujou decided to buy the locket. Wind and reminding him about the prophet. Victorique is getting away. Oh, that bird gave a note from Cordelia to Victorique... |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Well, that was... kind of creepy. That first scene before the OP. Actually, the next part of that scene was also quite creepy. That was one crappy show. I would not pay to watch that. And lulz at the commentary by the students when Victorique was running through the hallways. Suddenly, I felt like Kujo was in Old town in Stockholm, at the Christmas market. But I guess most older town areas have similar Christmas markets. And really, it must suck to have your birthday on Christmas. On another note, it's nice how Victorique's been getting some new clothes lately. She was wearing the same outfit throughout the first half of this series, but now she's already had like 3 different ones in only the last few episodes. On yet another note, it'd be nice having a sweet mom like Cordelia (minus raep and stuff.) Especially if she's voiced by Sawashiro Miyuki. Oh, what I wouldn't give to have a mom voiced by her. |
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| "She fell!" "ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" Never seen such stupid lines before... seriously how stupid can people get? I was like ok... Mr. Obvious... |
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| Why did the Marquis de Blois kidnap and rape Cordelia in the first place? What was the point of making Victorique? |
| Damn, what a tension. The Marquis turned out to be an absolute asshole who is even worse than I imagined. What a tragedy they all went through because of his insanity. So Brian and Cordelia were kind of lovers. That makes sense. Get stronger by the rest episodes, Kujou! So you can protect her. |
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| Damn, it's started already? Man I'm going to miss those Victorique and Kujo moments. Going to be a long wait... |
GarLogan78 said: Why did the Marquis de Blois kidnap and rape Cordelia in the first place? What was the point of making Victorique? its the like the royal blood thing back then in England I guess he wants the Gray Wolf blood in he's family line, so yeah, I guess that's why he did that? SwordWielder said: "She fell!" "ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" Never seen such stupid lines before... seriously how stupid can people get? I was like ok... Mr. Obvious... LOL me too... xD;; my gosh... why do you have to say what she does... :c anyways, this episode was interesting, I wonder what will happen now :I |
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| Marquis=Complete monster Hopefully he gets what he surely deserves. |
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SwordWielder said: "She fell!" "ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" Never seen such stupid lines before... seriously how stupid can people get? I was like ok... Mr. Obvious... This! Did they really need to give one-by-one account of what was happening? XD |
| Ara ara. |
| The start was pretty drastic and it was a pretty heavy episode in both events and content. This Anime is certainly getting allot better these past few episodes and i am looking forward to the next few episodes as it seems to suggest to have a very nice ending. Cordelia past is so sad i feel sorry for her being forced to have a daughter and not being allowed to see her must have been very hard on her. Marquise de Blois really needs some good punishment since he doesn't seem to care about the people around him at all. SwordWielder said: Yes i pretty much have the same conclusion what kind of fools do they have at that school not only are the afraid of Kujo because of his hair and eye color but the also think of Victorique as something special because of the time she spend on the top floor of that tower."She fell!" "ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" Never seen such stupid lines before... seriously how stupid can people get? I was like ok... Mr. Obvious... |
| Another shows story based on rape..go figure. I get sick of writers who think the only good story is a rape story. |
Hoppy said: Marquis=Complete monster Hopefully he gets what he surely deserves. Well I'm not going to defend the bastard but at least she let her live (guess he didn't want to waste the bullet). I agree with Ajunky, is most likely Grevil will man up and betray him on the most critical time. Just wondering, if Cordelia is aware of whats going to happen, why not just run away with Victorique? Is getting revenge that important to her? more than her daughter's safety Also, I guess when they refer to second storm is something different to WWI as it would be 15 years to early.Which make sense as they will try to stop it and it would be too unrealistic for two kids to prevent WWII from happening O_o |
choyosMay 27, 2011 4:15 PM
| huh? |
| wonderful episode imo. I get now why Brian Roscoe isn't too fond of Victorique, she's a reminder to him of Cordela's rape. Brian and Cordelia have quite a history. Loved the backstory. As usual, the Marquis was a complete douche in every sense of the word. Gimme episode 20 plzzz |
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| Wow! things started to get really interesting now. I can't wait to see what happens on the second storm and Kujo and Victorique's future. So Grevil is the son of a different mother and not Cordelia. He's a step brother of Victorique. Good to know. choyos said: ^Cordelia mentioned she believed in Victorique's power to defeat them. She's not a good mother if you ask me but at least she loves her and she's confident about her strength. I also agree with your second statement. WWII is inevitable XDD I guess that would be the time their future will come true :( that would be a sad ending or bittersweet perhapsJust wondering, if Cordelia is aware of whats going to happen, why not just run away with Victorique? Is getting revenge that important to her? more than her daughter's safety Also, I guess when they refer to second storm is something different to WWI as it would be 15 years to early.Which make sense as they will try to stop it and it would be too unrealistic for two kids to prevent WWII from happening O_o PS: Kujo and Victorique are like Brian and Cordelia in the past. Kujo should learn magic tricks too XDD and Victorique with her dancing :3 also singing XDD |
DenjaXMay 27, 2011 5:17 PM
| If you hated Marquis du Blois before this episode...anyways, death would be too kind for him. |
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| Can't believe Cordelia got raped o_O! |
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| So she got raped because Marquis du Blois wanted a child with his blood and the blood of the Grey Wolf, but I'm still confused on this whole Grey Wolf thing. Cordelia's past is so sad, but she talked like even before she was kidnapped, she had a bad past also. |
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| HOLY ****! When I first watched this episode, I was afraid that Blois guy would actually rape Cordelia... while it was not explicitly shown, was it actually implied that he raped Cordelia? Damn... this story is intense :< Now I finally understand why the Marquis duBlois is portrayed as a bad guy in the OP song. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| yeah basically this episode shows some of cordeila's past and all i got basically was that she was kidnapped and raped. pretty sad well the whole thing about the gale wind that will separate them at the end was a nice way to end the episode but the question is will they really be apart for long i guess |
| Weird when they first featured cordelia dancing she's a bit tall but oh well. Cordelia's past is the worst. |
| Man, reminds me of another anime that had a horrible Christmas episode... Even littler Victorique is adorable though. I just want to break down stone towers when I see her. |
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| You know, I really really hate rape stuff like this. It's a good thing I can't go into the anime world, otherwise I would personally make sure certain evil people aren't breathing anymore. |
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| the story's getting even more intense... overall, this episode is great... i nearly cried in the part where Cordelia met Victorique inside the tower... poor little Victorique couldn't even mutter a single word... and it's as if she's about to cry... damn Marquis de Blois... he's a devil... i want to see him go to hell at the end of this series... damn, can't wait for the next ep... the story's getting more exciting now... |
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| An audience whilst being chained while giving birth *shivers*-- that is one scary past Cordelia. Favorite episode so far because it did blend in a lot of dark aspects and I did want something couple-ish between Cordelia and Brian (damn he was hot and he still is~♥) which made this episode hell more amazing. So 'gray wolf' does have a huge meaning behind it. I wonder what's the deal with it. Life would be so easier for Vic if she had a cellphone. Characters from this show should never sing. |
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GarLogan78 said: Why did the Marquis de Blois kidnap and rape Cordelia in the first place? What was the point of making Victorique? Heiru said: its the like the royal blood thing back then in England I guess he wants the Gray Wolf blood in he's family line, so yeah, I guess that's why he did that? I don't think he wants their blood in his family line. He didn't marry Cordelia. He had a wife and heir already (assuming that Grevil is older than Victorique). He abused them both, condemning Cordelia to a psychiatric institution and imprisoning Victorique in solitary confinement. So it probably isn't a family thing. Du Blois wants a unique tool and weapon. Victorique is that to him. He is about to put her to work. Grey Wolves aren't typically seen wandering around in normal society. Cordelia is unique because of her history. Du Blois immediately recognised what she was and seized the opportunity in a most evil way. For all his wickedness, he has strategic vision and is able to look far ahead and act without hesitation. While he knows that the Grey Wolves have mystical qualities, your average person either doesn't know what they are, or is afraid of them if they do. Heiru said: On another note, it's nice how Victorique's been getting some new clothes lately. She was wearing the same outfit throughout the first half of this series, but now she's already had like 3 different ones in only the last few episodes. This is true. I hope they use the blue and pink striped outfit from the ED. I dunno why but it strikes me as something I've seen in paintings before. KaitoDash said: The Marquis turned out to be an absolute asshole who is even worse than I imagined. What a tragedy they all went through because of his insanity. Ajunky said: Indeed... I thought he had somehow maliciously seduced her but he didn't even bothered with such pleasantries. He abducted, raped, confined, separated her from her daughter and disposed of her to a sanatorium... he definitely earned a horrible karmic death. My bet is Grevil will be the carrier of that judgement. He'll continue to obey his father to betray him at the most critical point. I can't see him agreeing with his father's ways... besides, he said it himself, the hair drill is nothing, he knows that what he owes Victorique is worth a lot more than that. I think Grevil is a great secondary character. I can also see him intervening on Victorique's behalf. Not because he owes her, or even because he likes her. I think he has mixed feelings about her. But because he's a decent person and he's been changed a bit through his interactions with the Dark Reaper. SwordWielder said: "She fell!" "Ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" I found these lines to be funny. I was expecting someone to say, 'There she goes.' after Victorique continued on her way. But none of the un-named students have been impressive in any way throughout the whole season, so I never expect them to say anything intelligent. DenjaX said: So Grevil is the son of a different mother and not Cordelia. He's a step brother of Victorique. Good to know. Victorique mentions it at the end of ep.03 when Kujou complains about Grevil stealing her credit. 13man18 said: So she got raped because Marquis du Blois wanted a child with his blood and the blood of the Grey Wolf, but I'm still confused on this whole Grey Wolf thing. Cordelia's past is so sad, but she talked like even before she was kidnapped, she had a bad past also. Du Blois wants to change destiny and believes that with Victorique, he can do so. Re Cordelia, watch the arc beginning with ep.06. |
MockmanMay 28, 2011 8:00 AM
| boo storm. |
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| At the beginning i got scared cause i thought the one screaming was Victorique. Her poor mother really had it rough with this Blois Mister.... But it was a nice episode and now the good part starts! |
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| so is this where Kujo and Victorique will be separated or is that to come. i thought world war two would separate them but thats not for another 15 years in the anime. if them being separated is suppose to come soon (like in a couple of episodes) It'll make for a bitter sweet ending. |
13man18 said: So she got raped because Marquis du Blois wanted a child with his blood and the blood of the Grey Wolf, but I'm still confused on this whole Grey Wolf thing. Cordelia's past is so sad, but she talked like even before she was kidnapped, she had a bad past also. The alchemist said to Marquis that if he mixed his own blood with the blood and powers of the grey wolfs, he would create a being smart enough to fight against the Second Storm. I really can't believe that asswipe raped her. Thats pisses me off to no end. This series is becoming more and more amazing. I hope I can keep it a 10 at the end of the series. The Grey Wolfs have strange abilities apparently. |
Sartaj said: The Marquis just became my favourite character, right next to Grevil. Pouring alcohol on a screaming woman giving birth to a rape babby, can this show even do anything more to be great? Wtf. Just Wtf. |
SwordWielder said: Don't even get me started on that scene. Talk about killing the mood. :P"She fell!" "ew, She's dirty!" "She got up!" Never seen such stupid lines before... seriously how stupid can people get? I was like ok... Mr. Obvious... Ajunky said: I hope you're right. I like Grevil and I'd hate to see him go along with all of this.My bet is Grevil will be the carrier of that judgement. He'll continue to obey his father to betray him at the most critical point. I can't see him agreeing with his father's ways... besides, he said it himself, the hair drill is nothing, he knows that what he owes Victorique is worth a lot more than that. guyklc said: He kidnapped her off the streets and one year later she bears his child while bound in chains on a stone slab. Yes, I think it's safe to say he raped her. XDHOLY ****! When I first watched this episode, I was afraid that Blois guy would actually rape Cordelia... while it was not explicitly shown, was it actually implied that he raped Cordelia? Damn... this story is intense :< But really, stone slab? Chains? Wtf? It's like he's trying so hard to be a bad guy here. There's not really any need to chain a woman in labor. It's not like she's going anywhere, seriously. CordeliaXRoscoe > VictoriqueXKujou It can't be helped. |
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| Oh that bastard! He didn't even try to court Cordelia, he just kidnapped her and raped her so she can give birth to Victorique. I am surprise after all this she still loves her daughter after all it is not her fault. |
| I hate Albert so much! Also, anyone else recognized Julie from Queen Beryl arc? She was a girl Cordelia met in that hospital and who called nurses "hunting dogs". Also, now I like Brian more. :) |
| I'm expecting a real tearjerker soon from the last five episodes. |
MysteryFan89May 29, 2011 1:43 PM
| Damn that is some serious shit! Albert is such an asshole for kidnapping and even forcing to make child just because he wants Grey Wolf blood running in his family! Looks like the teacher hid herself in the suitcase to follow Graviel? Can't wait to see where this is going! |
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| Loving Sawashiro Miyuki as Cordelia. Her voice sounds so soothing when she utters the line "My soul.." And I've never heard of someone being afraid of a dove. LOL |
darkerealm said: Oh they do exist, believe me. They're all batshit insane though. Oh well.And I've never heard of someone being afraid of a dove. LOL |
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| Good episode, more hate against the Marquis... |
| Brian Roscoe isn't the threat or jerki I once thoght he was. He's Cordelia's embittered lover. And while it seems unfair, i can't totally blame him for having ill feelings towards Victorique. She represents a great deal of negativity for him. It is still a beautiful thing to see the enduring love and devotion Cordellia has for her daughter. Kidnapped. Raped. Her child is taken from her and she's dumped into an insane asylum. I don't normally condone this, but Cordellia needs to CUT HIS BALLS OFF.  |
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| Just don't let it end in tears..... |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
| This is the first time something like this appeared in the seires. NSFW: Also, it's totally NOT shounen. Marquis sucks. |
| This just proves there's lolicons back then too. |
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