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| This episode made me cry :( |
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| ...Er, M. Jarjyes, sir? You can't really have your daughter lead her whole life acting as a male and then suddenly tell her to stop that and be a woman and expect her to like it. That's just sudden and jarring and upsetting. Also sorry Andre but after you tried to force yourself on her I don't feel bad for you. |
| Ich verstehe nicht |
| Oscar laughing in the beginning described very well how I felt about the sudden turn of events. Only on her it looked a bit hysterical. Anyway, throughout the episode I was thinking Oscar might give in to her fathers wish (especially then after he was shot and almost dead) and I was saying to myself "If Oscar marries now I'll drop the show", but gladly everythign went better than expected. Also @ Stringed: I think you're not doing justice to Andre. Such an outburst of 20 years suppressed feelings, that he instantly regretted before anything really happened, triggered by the thought of losing eyesight and never being able to see her again is just human. A mistake of course, but it makes him human. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| lol Oscar went to the ball dressed in her military uniform. I knew she wasn't going to choose anyone, but I really want to see her in a dress one last time before the series is over. Still feeling bad for Andre he really loves Oscar and the thought of her getting married to another man just set him off. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| Lol, oh what is her dad thinking? First raise her as a man then oops I changed my mind to wear dresses and be a woman starting now. Good for Oscar going to the ball like that. But poor Andre indeed. |
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| One of the best episodes so far. this anime is getting better and better. |
| Well played Oscar, well played. |
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| hahahaha I would give up my life for Oscar's amazing laugh |
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| Oscar's father accepting Oscar's decision to forsake her womanhood to take up the duties of a man, yet still being torn at what he had done, just upped my respect for this show. A lesser show would have had the father been the cruel uptight figure forcing his daughter to live a certain way. In fact, he had already done that by bringing Oscar up as a man. Instead, he realizes that he succeed far beyond what he hoped, and there's no turning back. Yet, he can't help but feel remorse and sorrow at ruining Oscar's chances at finding happiness as a woman. Holy crap these are complex characters. And this is on top of difficult gender and sexuality questions with no real answers. Anyways, I'm having a dilemma with this show. I can't see Oscar as a woman, but I refer to her as a "her" or a "she." It's perhaps the weakness of the English language, or perhaps a weakness of Latin-based languages, I'm not sure. In my mind, I don't associate any feminine traits with her, but as I speak about her, I must refer to her as a woman. It feels so odd having to discern the disconnect between what I think and what I say. |
| I'll confess: I did a fistpump when Oscar's dad got shot - unfortunately, the worst possible outcome happened and he was able to use his condition to emotionally blackmail Oscar into going to the ball. Thankfully, Oscar is going to have none of it. Towards the end, though, her father kinda redeemed himself by deciding to let his daughter find her own happiness, for once. |
| Really Dad, you can't just raise your daughter as a man for more than 20 years ever since she was born and then ask her to start to live as a girl on cue. It's not like I don't understand where he's coming from but imagine how confusing it is for her. Poor Oscar, really, alas at least she's contented with what she chose in the end. Poor Andre too but I've been saying this ever since Fersen popped up, so. |
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| "Don't lie to yourself that you're a man. You're a woman" You fucker, I have no words right now. Oscar gained a bit of respect from my part near the end tho, I definitely can't see her as the character that fans of the anime seem to love, but that was good. |
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| Oscar should follow her own path and eventually find happiness that way, even if her father has good intentions. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Respect to Lord Jarjayes! Sadly, I think Oscar's tunnel vision has become too strong; no matter how many times Andre tries to hammer hit into her thick skull, she'll continue chasing after her fleeting idea of happiness in "manhood". And now, the revolution begins. |
| Even though it's confusing to see Oscar's dad change from raising Oscar as man to woman, I'm glad he realised his mistakes and wishes for Oscar's happiness at the end. "What a strange ball. Not a single lady is attending" good game Oscar, well played |
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| Amazing episode, best one so far for me. I really like the addition of the french guard tho, that fight scene with Andre was cool. It was nice to see Oscar's dad show some remorse towards what he has done, but him trying to make Oscar marry Girodelle just seemed... confusing? She didn't even have any feelings for him... and she wants to live as a man now so just let her be. That Saint Just guy is crazy tho, I feel like he's the one that's gonna start the revolution. This is getting so hype, let's go 10 more to go. |
| Joe, Joe Forever.... |
| Poor Andre. It never rains on him, it just comes pouring down. At least he has someone watching his back. Oscar finally accepts that she'll live as a man. Well done. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| GG well played 123 |
| I hate everyone equally |
| Oh fuck off, just get married and become a mother. She is starting to annoy me, acting like marriage is torture of something. I feel bad for Andre, getting beat up by all those guys. I also feel bad for Girodelle, but oh well. |
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Amatniki said: Oh fuck off, just get married and become a mother. She is starting to annoy me, acting like marriage is torture of something. I feel bad for Andre, getting beat up by all those guys. I also feel bad for Girodelle, but oh well. I dont think you understand the complexities of a woman raised as a man serving in the army That's like asking Casca from Berserk to suddenly get married out the blue "cuz she's a woman" I mean yes , both characters are female ,, but they are far from the traditional "woman" archetypes |
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| Man I’m glad Oscar’s father finally realized his mistakes. Let’s hope Oscar can find her happiness. Also, poor Andre still suffering. |
| Good to know her dad's reasoning was because he was worried of her well-being especially now that Oscar is working with the guard and is getting not respect but still understand and respect her decision at the end. Now that was a beating, poor Andre. Overall, it was a great episode. |
| It was a surprise, Oscar with the military suit!!! kekeke |
| No, no. To me, that's insolent. After more than 20 years of Oscar having to live her life as a man with all the hardships that come with it, her father asking her to forgive him just like that? That's really disrespecting the feelings and struggles that Oscar has gone through. After Oscar had made up her mind to live the life her father wanted her to live since the age of 14 (when she was appointed to Marie Antoinette for the first time), her father suddenly wanted her to live as a woman now? I'm really sorry but I don't feel sad at all seeing Oscar's father cry.... Oscar attending the ball in her military uniform and saying that there was not a single lady there was very satisfying! Hahaha, just as expected from Oscar! ♡ Anyway.. aaaa.. umm, I actually quite like Girodelle but I don't see any chemistry between him and Oscar, they are just perfect as.. friends? Maybe I'm biased too, because I was rooting for Andre x Oscar from the beginning, hahaha. |
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Reply to kushmonatl
Amatniki said:
Oh fuck off, just get married and become a mother. She is starting to annoy me, acting like marriage is torture of something.
I feel bad for Andre, getting beat up by all those guys.
I also feel bad for Girodelle, but oh well.
Oh fuck off, just get married and become a mother. She is starting to annoy me, acting like marriage is torture of something.
I feel bad for Andre, getting beat up by all those guys.
I also feel bad for Girodelle, but oh well.
I dont think you understand the complexities of a woman raised as a man serving in the army
That's like asking Casca from Berserk to suddenly get married out the blue "cuz she's a woman"
I mean yes , both characters are female ,, but they are far from the traditional "woman" archetypes
| @kushmonatl You're not talking to a human, unfortunately. That guy is the least empathetic and most sexist person I've seen on this site. |
| Oscar pretty much just gave a giant middle finger to the whole courtship and ball process, and you know what? I'm actually here for it. |
| Is her father for real? After forcing her to live like a man and forcing her to serve in the royal guards, now he wants to force her to live a normal woman's life? If my math is mathing correctly, she should be thirty now or near thirty. He wasted the rose stage of his daughter's life and now that she chooses to live like men, he wants her to find a woman's happiness? Didn't he consider her age? her ability to bear children? the fact that there's a high probability her body is scarred now because of old wounds? Beautiful as she is, if she gets married, it will be for purely political reasons. She will be treated like damaged goods for the rest of her life. Her husband will act like he did her a favor by marrying her. This is a problem we see in modern society. Now imagine that in 18th century France. Not all men are like Fersen or Andre, or even surprisingly Girodelle, will see her for the beautiful woman she is. They will just see a bargain. But truly Girodelle rushing to ask for her hand in marriage is surprising. What! Did she captured his heart the moment she kicked his ass? This is the only amusing bit in this whole all hell break loose situation. |
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