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No chance in hell that a literal model would fall for this tiny creepy guy who dose absolutely NOTHING throughout the whole show or has any meaningful interactions with her. This is the ultimate loser fantasy of "what if the hottest chick in class falls for me for no apparent reason while I do absolutely nothing about myself" which is not a recipe for a good plot.

Some of you guys totally don't understand female psychology, while the author totally does (she's a woman, well duh). Among romance stories this one is pretty believable with how Anna's feelings developed. What was happening in the first half of the first season? Simply put, Kyoutaro acted cold and uninterested (from Anna's perspective) while secretly doing extremely nice things for her (which she noticed). Basically, he gave her mixed signals, "push-pull", which is the classic example of seduction psychology. Treat a girl coldly, making her feel you dislike her, and then show some interest - this is something that works in real life in a lot of situations. Of course, this works the other way around as well, there's a reason why tsundere is one of the most typical and popular personality archetypes for a love interest. Both for men and women, actually.

If you check the most popular romance stories for women, guess what? The guys there are tsunderes, they show mixed signals and use "push-pull" all the time. Even Twilight, which is the best-selling romance book of the 21st century (yeah, really) works because the love interest openly treats the girl like shit, but then he saves her life. That's a lifehack for you guys, treat a girl like she ain't nothing and then save her life, easy-peasy!

Also, if you look at how the characters are portrayed, then Kyoutaro actually looks like the most handsome guy in their entire school, lol.
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I want to believe!
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As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.
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long time confess and no kiss scene yet
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Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

Did you stop watching at episode 3 or did your ability to comprehend never developed past the age of 6?
Feb 4, 12:35 AM
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SATAN19 said:
Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

Did you stop watching at episode 3 or did your ability to comprehend never developed past the age of 6?

You seem like a healthy individual, my friend πŸ˜‚

Im glad your ability to "comprehend" isn't impacted ^^
Feb 4, 12:44 AM
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Yeah female authors often write the best female characters, even in male-targeted works. Watashiya Kaworu for example.
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Kyotaro is a good boy
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I doubt that's how things works in real life.

As for the anime, it worked(?) because it was made to work by underplaying all the "realistic" parameters and being selective over the particularities OP mentioned.

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Even so all these reasons dangers in my heart will still remain my #1 romance anime just not because I love it, it because it's different. You see (I'm not trying to hate any other romcoms) most of the average romcom we see nowadays have almost no physiological depth, character growth and subversive approach to romance. All they care is about giving screen time to female characters simply putting, waifu baits. I really liked the small misunderstanding between the main characters, how they both really helped each other with their own problems along with witnessing the relationship development
of side characters. I think dangers in my heart has what it likes to be pure romance.
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This sole anime is good, its story, character and character development is interesting. But it's something that couldn't ever happen in real life πŸ˜…

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Not really,women like tall men .If you have money then yeah it’s fine
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more suitable term would be "this anime is quite unique"
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Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

bro,i think you are talking about rent a girlfriend mc kazuya.. right??

because ichikawa is a topper and has good grades in his class,he even has more balls then most of the guys in that anime or even you,,,this anime was a hit not because of only fl but also because of ichikawas character development..
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As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.
@Merve2Love stop talking bullshit if u didn't even know a damn shit about the show lil bro, Ichikawa is literally the smartest guy in his school and not to mention he also has lot of positive value. He is the best new gen romance mc ny far. I think u watch to many mid show that's why u can't differentiate shit with peak.
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TL;DR This is fiction my dude, and not meant to be hyper realistic or particularly psychological.

MyOwnGod said:
Some of you guys totally don't understand female psychology, while the author totally does (she's a woman, well duh).

I think the author desire to written a simple enough romcom that is not too obsessed with psychological realism or even realism in general. Most stories are escapist because they do present a simpler world with all the messy parts removed or truncated or diminished, and the story is meant to be first and foremost fun. This is not meant to be a drama, this is a Japanese high school romance that focuses on the comedic interplay between Yamada and one confused boy, and it seems seldom different than any other tropey romcom here.

That's okay, by the way.

Nor does being a woman necessarily make one an expert on women, or advocating that who they are as an individual is applicable to a wider array of women than just them. What one person may find hot the other may find repulsive.

MyOwnGod said:
Simply put, Kyoutaro acted cold and uninterested (from Anna's perspective) while secretly doing extremely nice things for her (which she noticed). Basically, he gave her mixed signals, "push-pull", which is the classic example of seduction psychology. Treat a girl coldly, making her feel you dislike her, and then show some interest - this is something that works in real life in a lot of situations. Of course, this works the other way around as well, there's a reason why tsundere is one of the most typical and popular personality archetypes for a love interest. Both for men and women, actually.

Most people are interested in those who show a strong interest in them (Big surprise), without the need for previous "coldness". Have you thought that maybe him doing nice things for her is what actually mattered here? If Kyoutaro acted nice without all his shyness and quirkiness, do you think Yamada would be like "nah fam"? There is a reason why "love bombing" is such a classic method for seduction as well, often for more nefarious purposes. Both unsurprisingly share the same approach with regards to showing "kindness", as that is by far the most important thing here.



Of course the development of romantic interest depends on many other factors, for example being physically attractive, of course previous actions, and what even is meant by "coldness" in this context; being overtly hostile is not the same as disinterest, being shy or bashful or reserved is not something I would consider cold either. One reason why tsundere is such a popular archetype is that it is a less intense version of the classic "enemies to lovers" trope that has been around for millennia. We love stories where love can blossom even between enemies, because if that can happen, then whose to say what cannot happen?

Kyoutaro did not "act" cold, he is for the most part shy and reserved.

MyOwnGod said:
Also, if you look at how the characters are portrayed, then Kyoutaro actually looks like the most handsome guy in their entire school, lol.

...Don't you also think that physically attractiveness is also not super fucking relevant here? The difference between a creepy loser and a archetypal loner can really be a matter of appearance; young people in high school are pretty superficial, and taken in by the basis of attraction alone, and who fits what in their schema. For example, I had admirers in high school and middle school growing up precisely despite my reserved and shy nature because I was considered very physically attractive. I expect I would get less "appreciation" if instead I looked like a greasy neckbeard with acne. With my appearance I likely fit the James Dean archetype versus the "Ugly bastard" tag.

I am not trying to say that most women (or men) are all about physical appearance, but that children often are. When you are young you often don't have standards. Those come with time and experience.

MyOwnGod said:
If you check the most popular romance stories for women, guess what? The guys there are tsunderes, they show mixed signals and use "push-pull" all the time. Even Twilight, which is the best-selling romance book of the 21st century (yeah, really) works because the love interest openly treats the girl like shit, but then he saves her life. That's a lifehack for you guys, treat a girl like she ain't nothing and then save her life, easy-peasy!


Almost like fiction is fiction, and cannot be mapped to reality with 100% accuracy, like aspects of this romcom! Listen dude, I like dominating women in my media, most would say I am heavily into femdom but I can safely enjoy people such as Esdeath or Balalaika or Revy precisely because people aren't actually getting hurt by their actions. I am not getting hurt by their actions. The fact I enjoy femdom does not mean I want to be SA'ed or abuse in real life, because guess what? Fantasies of being rape are still fucking fantasies.

Adult women, young girls, most healthy humans in general are the same. What they enjoy as within the realm of fantasy cannot be perfectly applied to the real world.

In Twilight, we already know Edward is a good person, or at least "good". We do not get that type of assurance in real-life that someone treating others poorly or lesser is deep down a good person destined to change because of the type of story being written. Twilight is perfectly predictable by people already aware of these tropes. Someone being abusive or a piece of shit in real life is just being abusive or a piece of shit.

I am not sure if this is a bait post, but I felt obligated to take it seriously lol.
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Yes this is believable cuz Kyo ain't chopped like that guy with hulkenberg pfp
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Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

Nah cuz why you hating in every thread bro? 😭 I see you EVERYWHERE just hating
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Buckshot_ said:
Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

Nah cuz why you hating in every thread bro? 😭 I see you EVERYWHERE just hating

I do?^^

Well, I don't think it's hate, tho.
Agree to disagree.
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PeripheralVision said:

Nor does being a woman necessarily make one an expert on women, or advocating that who they are as an individual is applicable to a wider array of women than just them. What one person may find hot the other may find repulsive.

That's a solid point, but in general women write the type of romance that they find hot themselves. If she didn't find Kyo-kun "romancable" she wouldn't write the story with him as the main character, that's like a guy writing a romance story with a totally unlikable and ugly female lead. This is what makes this story different from most romcoms, this isn't just a wish-fulfillment for loner guys like some make it to be, lol.

PeripheralVision said:
Most people are interested in those who show a strong interest in them (Big surprise), without the need for previous "coldness". Have you thought that maybe him doing nice things for her is what actually mattered here? If Kyoutaro acted nice without all his shyness and quirkiness, do you think Yamada would be like "nah fam"? There is a reason why "love bombing" is such a classic method for seduction as well, often for more nefarious purposes. Both unsurprisingly share the same approach with regards to showing "kindness", as that is by far the most important thing here.

From my experience this doesn't work unless someone is already into you, or you're "above their league". Hot girls have guys show interest in them all the time, it means very little to them in general. "Love bombing" is something that only works on those who aren't used to being complemented. I don't remember any situation in my life where a less attractive guy win over a hot girl with "love bombing", but I see it all the time as girls get attracted to guys who're kind of "jerks" - who tease them, don't treat them seriously, challenge them playfully, act cocky, or show disinterest. I myself started doing this after noticing the pattern, and this works, ha-ha.

In the era of social media, even below average girls aren't impressed by a guy treating them like queens. Though, indeed, guys who are not just "love bombing", but instead are very open, socially skilled and authentic surely can be very attractive, that's another approach altogether, but this is something that can easily backfire, there's a thin line between authenticity and neediness.

PeripheralVision said:
Kyoutaro did not "act" cold, he is for the most part shy and reserved.

That's how we see it, we're also shown his thoughts. From Anna's point of view, he's detached and not very interested in her, even going as far as openly avoiding her sometimes. That's what it means sending "mixed signals".

PeripheralVision said:

...Don't you also think that physically attractiveness is also not super fucking relevant here? The difference between a creepy loser and a archetypal loner can really be a matter of appearance; young people in high school are pretty superficial, and taken in by the basis of attraction alone, and who fits what in their schema. For example, I had admirers in high school and middle school growing up precisely despite my reserved and shy nature because I was considered very physically attractive.


Well of course, this is why I mentioned that he's good-looking. Even some total blackpill incels are starting to realize that facial attractiveness is more important to most women than your height or muscles. And I wouldn't be so sure that you had admirers despite you being reserved, it's more likely "because". If you acted like Adachi from this anime they wouldn't be half as interested, ha-ha. And the type of psychology I'm talking about here is what helps someone to get attention from someone kind of "above their league", anyway.

PeripheralVision said:
Twilight is perfectly predictable by people already aware of these tropes. Someone being abusive or a piece of shit in real life is just being abusive or a piece of shit.


I wouldn't call the male lead from Twilight abusive or a piece of shit. It's not about treating someone like shit (except playfully), but about making someone unsure if you like them or not, to make them guess and try to win over your approval and interest. Showing disinterest or teasing aren't the same thing as being abusive.
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Those psychological techniques you mention really do work, however in a secondary school scene, it will only be effective if the male character is handsome and tall.

unfortunately, the harsh reality is that beautiful women don't even notice beta males like Ichikawa. From a beautiful woman's perspective, they are totally invisible.

It's a hyper competitive world for a low level male, due to Anna having the options of tall handsome guys in her class and then there are thousands of guys online that are capable of providing her with unlimited attention.

Believing that performing a few psychological tricks on a popular girl to appeal to her as a short, timid and unattractive loner is delusional.
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I think the world is too big and diverse to properly call what happens in the series realistic or unrealistic. Depending on personal experiences you'd get different answers, and if someone says it is unrealistic, it could still have happened somewhere obviously to someone else.


anyway, the anime being realistic or not honestly doesn't matter for me. it's peak romance for me imo and I really need a S3, lol.
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PeripheralVision said:

Nor does being a woman necessarily make one an expert on women, or advocating that who they are as an individual is applicable to a wider array of women than just them. What one person may find hot the other may find repulsive.

That's a solid point, but in general women write the type of romance that they find hot themselves. If she didn't find Kyo-kun "romancable" she wouldn't write the story with him as the main character, that's like a guy writing a romance story with a totally unlikable and ugly female lead. This is what makes this story different from most romcoms, this isn't just a wish-fulfillment for loner guys like some make it to be, lol.

PeripheralVision said:
Most people are interested in those who show a strong interest in them (Big surprise), without the need for previous "coldness". Have you thought that maybe him doing nice things for her is what actually mattered here? If Kyoutaro acted nice without all his shyness and quirkiness, do you think Yamada would be like "nah fam"? There is a reason why "love bombing" is such a classic method for seduction as well, often for more nefarious purposes. Both unsurprisingly share the same approach with regards to showing "kindness", as that is by far the most important thing here.

From my experience this doesn't work unless someone is already into you, or you're "above their league". Hot girls have guys show interest in them all the time, it means very little to them in general. "Love bombing" is something that only works on those who aren't used to being complemented. I don't remember any situation in my life where a less attractive guy win over a hot girl with "love bombing", but I see it all the time as girls get attracted to guys who're kind of "jerks" - who tease them, don't treat them seriously, challenge them playfully, act cocky, or show disinterest. I myself started doing this after noticing the pattern, and this works, ha-ha.

In the era of social media, even below average girls aren't impressed by a guy treating them like queens. Though, indeed, guys who are not just "love bombing", but instead are very open, socially skilled and authentic surely can be very attractive, that's another approach altogether, but this is something that can easily backfire, there's a thin line between authenticity and neediness.

PeripheralVision said:
Kyoutaro did not "act" cold, he is for the most part shy and reserved.

That's how we see it, we're also shown his thoughts. From Anna's point of view, he's detached and not very interested in her, even going as far as openly avoiding her sometimes. That's what it means sending "mixed signals".

PeripheralVision said:

...Don't you also think that physically attractiveness is also not super fucking relevant here? The difference between a creepy loser and a archetypal loner can really be a matter of appearance; young people in high school are pretty superficial, and taken in by the basis of attraction alone, and who fits what in their schema. For example, I had admirers in high school and middle school growing up precisely despite my reserved and shy nature because I was considered very physically attractive.


Well of course, this is why I mentioned that he's good-looking. Even some total blackpill incels are starting to realize that facial attractiveness is more important to most women than your height or muscles. And I wouldn't be so sure that you had admirers despite you being reserved, it's more likely "because". If you acted like Adachi from this anime they wouldn't be half as interested, ha-ha. And the type of psychology I'm talking about here is what helps someone to get attention from someone kind of "above their league", anyway.

PeripheralVision said:
Twilight is perfectly predictable by people already aware of these tropes. Someone being abusive or a piece of shit in real life is just being abusive or a piece of shit.


I wouldn't call the male lead from Twilight abusive or a piece of shit. It's not about treating someone like shit (except playfully), but about making someone unsure if you like them or not, to make them guess and try to win over your approval and interest. Showing disinterest or teasing aren't the same thing as being abusive.
MyOwnGod said:
That's a solid point, but in general women write the type of romance that they find hot themselves. If she didn't find Kyo-kun "romancable" she wouldn't write the story with him as the main character, that's like a guy writing a romance story with a totally unlikable and ugly female lead. This is what makes this story different from most romcoms, this isn't just a wish-fulfillment for loner guys like some make it to be, lol.


Fiction allows us to explore ideas we know we certainly would not want in the real world or would agree is problematic. I do agree it can be representative of how and who the author is as a person, but there are two issues I have with this post. Firstly, it seems you are trying to extrapolate the escapism aspects of this story to the vast majority of women and girls. That is the issue I have with this post, you are painting half the world with such a broad brushstroke seemingly based on just this one story because the author is a woman?

Secondly, there is nothing to suggest it is not Kyo-kun that the author identifies with, instead of Yamada. His murder chuunbiyou tendencies are depicted as coming from a place of confusion, and I imagine that sort of identity crisis comes with puberty in general. He is, after all, the main character.

MyOwnGod said:
I wouldn't call the male lead from Twilight abusive or a piece of shit. It's not about treating someone like shit (except playfully), but about making someone unsure if you like them or not, to make them guess and try to win over your approval and interest. Showing disinterest or teasing aren't the same thing as being abusive.


You do abusive things, you are an abusive piece of shit. It is really that simple. The reason why the lead from Twilight does not get hate from its target demographics is because it is fiction, same with Christian Grey from 50 Shades of Grey. You cannot fully extrapolate fantasy into the real world; if one could, one would ask what even is the point of writing a book like Twilight or Fifty Shades of Grey. I don't think you are giving the readers enough credit here, however terrible both books seem to be.

MyOwnGod said:
That's how we see it, we're also shown his thoughts. From Anna's point of view, he's detached and not very interested in her, even going as far as openly avoiding her sometimes. That's what it means sending "mixed signals".


But that's just his character. It is not acting, he actually IS like that. What I think is weird and partly uncharitable here is the assumption that these two traits of showing kindness and being reserved or "cold" are conflicting, and I do not understand that view. I know many shy and reserved people who are kind, but who are not very emotionally expressive. Yet I know them as kind because of their actions, not because of their emotional disposition.

I do not think one should equate being reserved with being disinterested or even "cold", particularly when Kyo-kun's actions communicate his interest in Yamada's well being. Some people are just quiet, and perhaps this is another reason why Kyo-kun is the main character; the author identifies with his introverted tendencies.

It is silly to equate being naturally quiet with playing "hard to get". Certainly not my first thought whenever I go on a date with more reserved people.

MyOwnGod said:
From my experience this doesn't work unless someone is already into you, or you're "above their league". Hot girls have guys show interest in them all the time, it means very little to them in general. "Love bombing" is something that only works on those who aren't used to being complemented. I don't remember any situation in my life where a less attractive guy win over a hot girl with "love bombing", but I see it all the time as girls get attracted to guys who're kind of "jerks" - who tease them, don't treat them seriously, challenge them playfully, act cocky, or show disinterest. I myself started doing this after noticing the pattern, and this works, ha-ha.

In the era of social media, even below average girls aren't impressed by a guy treating them like queens. Though, indeed, guys who are not just "love bombing", but instead are very open, socially skilled and authentic surely can be very attractive, that's another approach altogether, but this is something that can easily backfire, there's a thin line between authenticity and neediness.


Right, I think you should get out more. Even then, this betrays your post, does it not? Kyo is not playful or prone to teasing or playing hard to catch, because it is not his character to do so, yet he still is winning over Yamada because of his actions. I don't think you can say Kyo is being a jerk to her. In fact, you could say that is functionally just "love bombing" or simping for her.

Additional Edit: Being playful is pretty great, but it is just another way to show interest. I think it is referred to as "witty banter". I don't think being playful should be confused with...all of this.
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You only need to go to a popular public area to see this is normal. Look around at the couples and you’ll see short guys with tall girls. People who think it’s impossible pretty much need to get off the internet and touch grass
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Looks Vs. Dark Triad, pull-push/mixed signals vs. "it's just fiction, that's why they don't get hate"

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I feel like your whole push-pull argument is kind of bullshit, especially when all you really needed to say was "He was nice to her, had personal moments with her that she probably felt were special, and he did a lot to improve himself."
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MyOwnGod said:
That's a solid point, but in general women write the type of romance that they find hot themselves. If she didn't find Kyo-kun "romancable" she wouldn't write the story with him as the main character, that's like a guy writing a romance story with a totally unlikable and ugly female lead. This is what makes this story different from most romcoms, this isn't just a wish-fulfillment for loner guys like some make it to be, lol.


Fiction allows us to explore ideas we know we certainly would not want in the real world or would agree is problematic. I do agree it can be representative of how and who the author is as a person, but there are two issues I have with this post. Firstly, it seems you are trying to extrapolate the escapism aspects of this story to the vast majority of women and girls. That is the issue I have with this post, you are painting half the world with such a broad brushstroke seemingly based on just this one story because the author is a woman?

Secondly, there is nothing to suggest it is not Kyo-kun that the author identifies with, instead of Yamada. His murder chuunbiyou tendencies are depicted as coming from a place of confusion, and I imagine that sort of identity crisis comes with puberty in general. He is, after all, the main character.

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I wouldn't call the male lead from Twilight abusive or a piece of shit. It's not about treating someone like shit (except playfully), but about making someone unsure if you like them or not, to make them guess and try to win over your approval and interest. Showing disinterest or teasing aren't the same thing as being abusive.


You do abusive things, you are an abusive piece of shit. It is really that simple. The reason why the lead from Twilight does not get hate from its target demographics is because it is fiction, same with Christian Grey from 50 Shades of Grey. You cannot fully extrapolate fantasy into the real world; if one could, one would ask what even is the point of writing a book like Twilight or Fifty Shades of Grey. I don't think you are giving the readers enough credit here, however terrible both books seem to be.

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That's how we see it, we're also shown his thoughts. From Anna's point of view, he's detached and not very interested in her, even going as far as openly avoiding her sometimes. That's what it means sending "mixed signals".


But that's just his character. It is not acting, he actually IS like that. What I think is weird and partly uncharitable here is the assumption that these two traits of showing kindness and being reserved or "cold" are conflicting, and I do not understand that view. I know many shy and reserved people who are kind, but who are not very emotionally expressive. Yet I know them as kind because of their actions, not because of their emotional disposition.

I do not think one should equate being reserved with being disinterested or even "cold", particularly when Kyo-kun's actions communicate his interest in Yamada's well being. Some people are just quiet, and perhaps this is another reason why Kyo-kun is the main character; the author identifies with his introverted tendencies.

It is silly to equate being naturally quiet with playing "hard to get". Certainly not my first thought whenever I go on a date with more reserved people.

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From my experience this doesn't work unless someone is already into you, or you're "above their league". Hot girls have guys show interest in them all the time, it means very little to them in general. "Love bombing" is something that only works on those who aren't used to being complemented. I don't remember any situation in my life where a less attractive guy win over a hot girl with "love bombing", but I see it all the time as girls get attracted to guys who're kind of "jerks" - who tease them, don't treat them seriously, challenge them playfully, act cocky, or show disinterest. I myself started doing this after noticing the pattern, and this works, ha-ha.

In the era of social media, even below average girls aren't impressed by a guy treating them like queens. Though, indeed, guys who are not just "love bombing", but instead are very open, socially skilled and authentic surely can be very attractive, that's another approach altogether, but this is something that can easily backfire, there's a thin line between authenticity and neediness.


Right, I think you should get out more. Even then, this betrays your post, does it not? Kyo is not playful or prone to teasing or playing hard to catch, because it is not his character to do so, yet he still is winning over Yamada because of his actions. I don't think you can say Kyo is being a jerk to her. In fact, you could say that is functionally just "love bombing" or simping for her.

Additional Edit: Being playful is pretty great, but it is just another way to show interest. I think it is referred to as "witty banter". I don't think being playful should be confused with...all of this.
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But that's just his character. It is not acting, he actually IS like that. What I think is weird and partly uncharitable here is the assumption that these two traits of showing kindness and being reserved or "cold" are conflicting, and I do not understand that view. I know many shy and reserved people who are kind, but who are not very emotionally expressive. Yet I know them as kind because of their actions, not because of their emotional disposition.

I do not think one should equate being reserved with being disinterested or even "cold", particularly when Kyo-kun's actions communicate his interest in Yamada's well being. Some people are just quiet, and perhaps this is another reason why Kyo-kun is the main character; the author identifies with his introverted tendencies.


Man, you're missing my point super hard... it's not about Kyo, it's about how it's perceived from Yamada's point of view, silly. What's going on psychologically with her. When a hot girl who's used to getting attention interacts with a guy who seemingly shows no interest and even avoids her, it makes her wonder about him. Also, there's such a thing as "reward prediction error", google it. Acts of kindness and displays of interest are "social rewards", but like any rewards, they are most rewarding when you don't expect them, and after you make an effort to get them. This is why love bombing doesn't work on hot girls, this is too predictable, and the girl puts no effort to deserve it. What would you value more, something you got for free, or something you worked hard for? That's just basic psychology. This is why, dumb or shy guys often end up getting the girls seemingly "for no reason" while guys who follow the "traditional route" so often end up in the friendzone. For example, a dumb guy can openly disagree with a girl on her opinion, which is something that can potentially make her like you less, and is perceived as a sign that you aren't trying to get laid with her (even if you do), in comparison a "socially smart" dude would avoid any type of conflict or challenge when interacting. Psychology of seduction is often counter-intuitive, this is why most guys fail at it and end up thinking that this is all about looks or whatever.

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Right, I think you should get out more. Even then, this betrays your post, does it not? Kyo is not playful or prone to teasing or playing hard to catch, because it is not his character to do so, yet he still is winning over Yamada because of his actions. I don't think you can say Kyo is being a jerk to her. In fact, you could say that is functionally just "love bombing" or simping for her.


Again, you're missing the point. His actions only work because most of the time he looks like he doesn't care, making her guess and doubt his intentions. Just like he doubts hers (is she just being friendly, or is she romantically interested?). The end result is the same as with teasing or playing hard to get, which is - the girl isn'te sure if you like her or not. You should learn some basic psychology before trying to argue on topics you don't understand, lol.

Oh, and yeah, it's ridiculous to assume that the author self-inserts with the guy instead of the girl, especially if you consider that she's literally a former model (hint-hint), just like Yamada. It's likely she based the story on some real-life events, like having a crush on a short, shy guy in middle school.
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unironically he's not wrong

this show is actually unrealistic and wish fullifilment

people just don't want to admit that lol
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No chance in hell that a literal model would fall for this tiny creepy guy who dose absolutely NOTHING throughout the whole show or has any meaningful interactions with her. This is the ultimate loser fantasy of "what if the hottest chick in class falls for me for no apparent reason while I do absolutely nothing about myself" which is not a recipe for a good plot.

Some of you guys totally don't understand female psychology, while the author totally does (she's a woman, well duh). Among romance stories this one is pretty believable with how Anna's feelings developed. What was happening in the first half of the first season? Simply put, Kyoutaro acted cold and uninterested (from Anna's perspective) while secretly doing extremely nice things for her (which she noticed). Basically, he gave her mixed signals, "push-pull", which is the classic example of seduction psychology. Treat a girl coldly, making her feel you dislike her, and then show some interest - this is something that works in real life in a lot of situations. Of course, this works the other way around as well, there's a reason why tsundere is one of the most typical and popular personality archetypes for a love interest. Both for men and women, actually.

If you check the most popular romance stories for women, guess what? The guys there are tsunderes, they show mixed signals and use "push-pull" all the time. Even Twilight, which is the best-selling romance book of the 21st century (yeah, really) works because the love interest openly treats the girl like shit, but then he saves her life. That's a lifehack for you guys, treat a girl like she ain't nothing and then save her life, easy-peasy!

Also, if you look at how the characters are portrayed, then Kyoutaro actually looks like the most handsome guy in their entire school, lol.

Its not that serious we all know that authors low key self insert themselves in their own manga. But low key this anime is stupidly overrated, its a 6-7/10 at best.
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It's up to you whether you want to believe it or not, but I had a girlfriend when I was in junior high school and did things like this, of course it's not 100% similar, and when I was dating I was also shorter than my girlfriend, if I remember it, I cringe just like this anime, that's why this anime is very relatable to me and I found it realistic enough as an anime because of the similarity of my story to this anime. note I'm not dating anymore

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Not really,women like tall men .If you have money then yeah it’s fine
@Musashi_Arun I'm not wanting to get at you specifically, but it strikes me how often people assume that although men have wildly different tastes in women, women are assumed to have very similar tastes. Anna might have a thing about shorter boys.

With her boobs she might be getting a subconscious mother/child feeling when looking down over them at Kyoutarou (I think the anime has hinted this,but I might me reading too much into it). The hormones are racing for both of them. Men and women's hormones are both all about having kids, but they express themselves in different ways. This is why puberty is hard.

Kyoutarou isn't much of a creep at the start - he's just quiet and his nervousness around Anna comes across as exactly that. He never really pushes her away, although he runs away a bit. But he's never really rude to her. Why wouldn't she like the boy who's NOT constantly pestering her and her friends with stupid Internet sex questionnaire questions? Or NOT practically threatening her if she doesn't share her Line ID?

The anime is wish-fulfilment fantasy but so are the vast majority of romantic fiction; but it's not outlandishly so.

And I agree - if you have money everything is fine for a while at least.
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Merve2Love said:
As much as you want to believe...

Is this happening in real life aka is it "believable" or realistic?

No. No it's not.

As much as it hurts, the busty, energetic hottie from school does not fantasize about hooking up with the freak who's day-dreaming about a school schooting/slashing xD

Guys beeing "tsun" is fine. That CAN be hot. True.

Twerpy loners, who have no social skills, tho? Not so much. Sorry, Nerds :P That's not female Psychology....thats just a fetish.

Idk tho, they did met every single day, and she clearly keeps her distance from everyone but her friends, so is it that unrealistic that she would fall for someone that's nice to her and that she would interact with every day?
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You only need to go to a popular public area to see this is normal. Look around at the couples and you’ll see short guys with tall girls. People who think it’s impossible pretty much need to get off the internet and touch grass

absolutely.

this entire thread shows the mentality you develop watching tiktok videos and sigma YT shorts instead of grinding out in real life.
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pls go outside and try to live your life instead of complaining online
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Yeah the story feels pretty accurate. I spent my entire university years chasing a girl and in the end I actually ended up with her. Looking back I probably wasted my high school days just watching anime like High School DxD instead of well actually talking to girls. I do think a lot of girls enjoy the thrill of being pursued and there’s definitely an adrenaline rush that comes with that whole dynamic.

Honestly I'm still watching romance anime in my 30s to chase that same rush I felt when going after my dream girl. So I guess not much has really changed lol.
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Concerning the post to which the op is replying to, it's at least arguable on the main point. Sometimes the hot girl doesn't pick you. However, its entirely wrong on the last point. Kyo totally changes in this series. He starts off as a loser edgelord sulking after he lost his friends when he had to change schools, but by the end of season 1 he's deciding to better himself. He shakes off his gross superficial hatred for everyone, and everything to grow up.
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Those psychological techniques you mention really do work, however in a secondary school scene, it will only be effective if the male character is handsome and tall.

unfortunately, the harsh reality is that beautiful women don't even notice beta males like Ichikawa. From a beautiful woman's perspective, they are totally invisible.

It's a hyper competitive world for a low level male, due to Anna having the options of tall handsome guys in her class and then there are thousands of guys online that are capable of providing her with unlimited attention.

Believing that performing a few psychological tricks on a popular girl to appeal to her as a short, timid and unattractive loner is delusional.
@kou_starz who saying Ichikawa is unattractive?? He's just short and he's actually good looking and similiar to her father in term of look and personality hence why Yamada is interested with Ichikawa. Also he's lot of great quality, he's smartest guy in their class, he's also supportive and has effort. And don't pretend that short guy x tall girl couple is myth because in reality they're actually exist.
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@kou_starz who saying Ichikawa is unattractive?? He's just short and he's actually good looking and similiar to her father in term of look and personality hence why Yamada is interested with Ichikawa. Also he's lot of great quality, he's smartest guy in their class, he's also supportive and has effort. And don't pretend that short guy x tall girl couple is myth because in reality they're actually exist.
@Johntyson31
You think being smart and supportive appeals to girls?
Having such qualities leads to women using men for their own interests.

They never develop a crush on such men that are not confident enough to even introduce themselves to her. He spied on her behind bookshelves like a pervert.

He lacks charisma, lacks social skills and lacks assertiveness. These types of guys, women will be polite to, but never willingly enter a relationship with unless there is an external reason such as money.

Exceptions don't disprove the rule.
If course there are examples when the short guy dates and initiates a relationship with a tall girl. However, in the majority of cases, she would rather have someone taller than her. It's in their nature to be protected, having a tall partner provides that safety and security.
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@SgtBateMan not the real bot trying to disguise as real human lol, what a loser
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