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| Of course Kotoko realizes the case isnt suicide but points the suspect to Kaoruko. I think that part was given but the culprit that Kotoko came to the conclusion of was much more complex. Placing puzzles together from the past and present, she realized that supernatural forces were at play and more importantly, the red herrings of the crime. Moral of the story...never underestimate Kotoko. And also, Rikka still remains relevant throughout this entire series. |
Stark700Mar 19, 2023 8:40 AM
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| The tail end of the Sleeping Murder arc, seeing Fubuki the fox spirit stalking Sumi but ending up not killing her, there is in fact someone who've done the deed: the eldest daughter Kaoruko from Koya's side. The psychological game that allows him to glide by while President Otonashi leaps the case forward to prove that he was the one that did the deed, that in fact the modus operandi had been operating all at once, looking like there was a conflict to plan the murder at the right conceivable moment, with the final words from Sumi as the decisive straw. All of that leading to goad Rion to the false answer to corner Koya until he could do no more, this was the result of the murder of 23 years ago. But President Otonashi wasn't in the right either, as the planning of his own wife's murder played a monumental part as well, breaking the family stranglehold of a case that would befall karma. Koya, knowing his game is up, threatens both Kotoko and Kuro to a corner, but in hindsight, both of them were legit outsiders once they stepped outside of their family matters. And the murder that was slept on for 23 years, the truth finally came to light, and it shocked everyone by dealing with the devil in the form of Kotoko and Kuro of implicit consequences. In fact, it was President Otonashi himself whom first approached Kuro's cousin Rikka and be interested in the supernatural, and requesting for both Kotoko and Kuro's help in solving the case may be one step too far in trying to relieve himself of the Sleeping Murder case. In the end, it still goes back to Rikka being the puppet master to keep Kotoko in check, and it shows of her terrifying power, which this time, she is able to check her emotions out of this. The Sleeping Murder case is done, what's next? |
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| And here I thought Kuro won't have to die this time... I wonder where is this going with him and Kotoko. He said that she handled it as she should, but there has be more to it if Rikka is involved. We don't know much about his feeling and how he sees the whole balance of normal world and supernatural. 1 episode left. I don't expect anything major, but it'd be nice to see a follow up of that last scene. And hopefully S3 announcement. |
JustAnotherShiroMar 19, 2023 9:33 AM
| Glad this arc is finally over and we have the culprit. Dragged on for quite a bit. Finale was pretty cool tho. Kotoko really showed how intimidating she can be. Sumi being the killer was unexpected too. Hopefully we get a s3 announcement next week |
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| So many layers to one case, it was interesting to watch everything unfold. |
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| So the daughter, Kaoruko, turned out to be the killer. Lol I wasn't expecting Koya to come strapped with the blicky though, I thought for once maybe we could get through even just 1 case without Kuro having to die. Turns out Rikka had some influence over this case as well. Such a mysterious character. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| God it didn't even occur to me something like this would be the real truth behind the two decade long murder case, as we were given the idea of fox spirit carrying out his task without any failure since the start. But to think he did and that was how we flipped everything upside down and knew it was the daughter herself who carried out the murder. Excellent wrap up to the case. This explains why you shouldn't dig long-forgotten graves lol. On another note Kuro waking afresh after that head shot was so fucking cool. Though just one more episode now :( |
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| Yes this is how Kotoko is, she's just brutal. The reveal was really good. We were so focused on the truth that was presented to us that we stopped thinking about there being any other solution to the case. This case turned out to be much better than I initially thought. Also to think Rikka san was the one who send him to Kotoko, she's quite the woman. Just one more episode left, wonder what we have in store for the finale. |
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| Yeah Kotoko is a true monster with the resolution of this case giving the overall explanation without alternatives to fight back. The family felt bad and will always be afraid that someone will tell the truth to the media ruining them. Rikka also has faults as she advised to put Kotoko in charge I just assume to teach Korou how cruel she is. |
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| The ending to this part is so awesome, only one episode left. Also didn't expect Rikka actually led him to them. |
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| Kotoko comes in with the hard truth and tells everyone that Kaoruko is the culprit, together with Kouya, man what an intense case. When they're about to leave Kouya drags a gun and holds them on gunpoint but our guy Kurou is immortal so he goes to him and ofcourse Kouya shoots but Kurou is back to live again, which shocked all of them. When the Chairman told the truth, Kaoruko tried to drug herself but she was rushed to the hospital so that she doesn't have to atone for her crimes, apparently. Chariman's health only gets worse but he still invited Kotoko & Kurou, and he thinks that they're not human, which is partly the truth i suppose. I'm glad that Rikka got some screentime as well in this episode. Another case solved by Kotoko. |
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DarcyD said: It's something that will be revealed "when" they adapt chapter 50 of the manga. If someone is curious click the spoiler tag that was really an interesting way to wrap up this small arc, but I don't really why kuro HAD to expose his powers to them and why Rikka would be the catalyst for all of this. Kuro knows how heartless she can be when it comes to the truth. Why would that scare him now? |
NaoMar 19, 2023 1:35 PM
| "Keep on dreaming" - said the dreamer |
| I thought they took too long and dragged this arc but this episode satisfied me quite a lot. Kyokou Suiri is so unique and fascinating, I'm already wishing for season 3 and wouldn't mind them repeating the same formula as this season (random arcs). |
| i'm not a fan of "talk talk talk talk", and the arc was way too long and obnoxious. i want to like this show but i feel like this last arc was a real gut punch to the season. |
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| At the end Rikka was the winner of this arc, now Kuro seems to be having some complicated feelings about Kotoko. |
| It's interesting to note that this arc is one of the few (if not the only time thus far) where Kotoko kept her personal feelings out of the case and just revealed the truth objectively. One of the criticisms of this show is how Kotoko lies, usually lies mixed with truth if not just straight up blatantly lie in order to resolve a case in a mystery anime where usually the truth is what's important. But Kotoko instead almost always lies to some degree in order to get the best outcome where everyone can be satisfied and have peace of mind but here is one example where she purposefully didn't hold back and just revealed everything (minus the part where the Yoko faked the scream for obvious reasons) and we see the consequences of that. |
| This case was very interesting and intriguing as a whole. It might be slow for some, but it well worth it when the twist in the case was revealed in full by Kotoko and she didn't hold back at all in delivering the truth to everyone in the room. The true killer was Sumi's own daughter, Kaoruko, which the fox spirit was there to witness it as he was close to initialising his own plan to kill Sumi. Her husband, Koya, struggled to come to terms with Kotoko's blunt delivery or the truth to the point that he whipped out a gun and aimed it at her and she and Kuro were about to make their leave. Kuro tried to calm things, but ended up taking a bullet to his head before surprising everyone of the Otonashi side by recovering and taking the gun away from a shocked Koya. A later meeting with a very frail Chairman Otonashi revealed that he encountered Rikka, Kuro's cousin, twice in the past and she was the one who recommended the chairman to see Kotoko and Kuro about his issues. In a way, it could be another move by Rikka to make Kuro see how ruthless Kotoko is and to try and distance himself from her. I can only hope he doesn't start having second thoughts about being with her, as they have a pretty amusing chemistry which is the one the things that I like how this series. =) |
| So in the end Rikka was behnd all this... I mean, she is the main antagonist after all, ao it was kinda weird how she wasn't much involved in this season... |
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| Oh so it was the daughter in the end, great explanations, though that guy tried to kill Kuro to protect the group but obviously it would just add another fresh murder to their history and would probably got caught if he wasn't immortal that's definitely stupid but I can understand that with the pressure and all I guess. And seems like Rikka was behind all that from the beginning hm |
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| I really hope it was the first possibility and Rikka has made her move. Though I can work with the second one too. |
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| The conclusion is a little dissapointing, I feel like they could just concluded it with 2 episodes instead of dragging into 3 |
| The checking the pulse part still seemed like a bit of a jump in explantation for human reasoning, but I suppose like this arc so much because it seems like a very Umineko thing to do all around. |
| man, they should've shown when Kuro's blood come back to the hole and start closing the wound though, I want to see their reaction. well, we get to see a glimpse of how Kuro wake up after getting shot, their reaction is kinda hilarious but I think they should've make the scene more dramatic and terrifying though |
| Welp, didn't see that one coming at all. Still wish there was a dub since it's SO MANY DARN SENTENCES and I have to pause all the time, not that the VAs aren't very good. Interested in what the last ep will be, Rikka-san? Overall this has been a huge leap over the first season. I think that mystery murder arc was worth it. Even if the animation budget isn't high I can't refuse this series. Murder mysteries are the best-o. |
| Hehe, I almost guessed that. Fubuki didn't kill her. She lied that Sumi shouted herself, to not bring Fubuki to light. That slap on the head was nice. Nice Kuro. Back of the sword, for a gun? Kuro is being influenced by Kotoko. Now, that explains how he got to know about Kotoko. Rikka is plotting something. |
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| That case was really something. |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| Just got hit in the head with the blunt edge of a bullet, nothing to worry. Wise lesson to be learned here, never trust the fox spirit to do a hitman job. Although I do admit he was the true winner for getting his deal of the bargain for free |
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| I didn't expect the blunt end joke to come back. This was quite a twist, I guess I should have expected a fox to be a liar. |
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| Leave it to Rikka to keep trying to break those two up. But yes, Kotoko is unaware of just how indifferent she can be. |
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| Statute of limitations might be a thing for planned or even attempted murders but not for actual murders. And this applies to all countries, including Japan. That was a super lame BS to complete this 4-parter, weakening all 4 parts. It was a cheap fabricated way to keep the law out of this and keep the secret in the family, but it made no sense because it's blatantly untrue. As for Kotoko should she have disclosed the truth or not? Was it heartless, an act of honesty or both? I think Kuro lied at the end that she did the right thing. If he had some doubts before he has more doubts now. Still, Kotoko might be ruthless but she does not hold a candle against Rikka... |
SharpedonNov 3, 2023 11:46 AM
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Reply to RedChrome
The conclusion is a little dissapointing, I feel like they could just concluded it with 2 episodes instead of dragging into 3
| @RedChrome It was actually 4 episodes (8 to 11). |
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| The Otonashi's got off pretty easy there, despite how distressed they were at Kotoko figuring their scheme out. They aren't exactly the most sympathetic lot to begin with, and they're in Kotoko's debt several times over now that Kaoruko's murder of Sumi is being kept under wraps. |
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| Everybody deserved to know the truth, especially since Grandpa's on his deathbed. Gramps and the daughter never had their penance, at least now everyone knows so they will have to live with that as they should. Everyone got their dirty laundry out, they all wanted her dead and planned as such so they're all morally the same. This way there's no more secrets/literal skeletons in the closet, they can re-establish relationship with each other from scratch (e.g. the brothers). I'm not sure how getting them to reveal any of this makes Kotoko heartless. She acts heartless, but she knew getting them to spill the beans would allow them to foster healthier bonds and move on, especially for the next generation (Rion) who deserves to know the truth. If your family elders withhold stuff because of trauma you already know this well. You know something is wrong but not exactly what so it doesn't allow you to heal/function. I definitely don't like her for other reasons but I think the way she handled this whole case was on point. The guy was definitely asking for a lot so the fact that she even moderated for over 24 hours is generous. Pretty sure Rikka actually likes Kotoko but doesn't want to admit it, or that she's a good fit for what's his name because Kotoko gives him purpose/allows him to use his abilities without shame. Without her he'd be wandering through life: eat, sleep, school, date someone maybe that isn't comfortable with his skills breakup, repeat. |
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