A Condition Called Love
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Ello08 said: basicallykatsuki said: well its pretty boring for starters make sense, but 6.65 is pretty low i seen some people on tiktok also saying they find it toxic (i dont find it toxic myself) so that might be another reason |
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| I think @Landonime said it all. And I'm tired of seeing works that try to justify problematic behavior and make it "acceptable". |
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| One of the major problems in my eyes is how the interactions are done, it’s like they carry little to no weight and are almost entirely forgettable and soulless. Another one I can name is the characterization of the two main leads, there is really nothing going for them and even then, they fall flat and all of the depth for Hananoi specifically comes off to me as unnatural (feels like they’re just dumping it on the audience) and forcefully sympathetic. |
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Main guy is a creepy fuck wit. Treats everyone like shit. Makes story telling very hard to do when you're main boy is an insecure cunt
| This also, this is a good reason too. It’s really hard to root for a character that is written as a jerk and doesn’t deviate or change from it until the very end. Honestly his character at times feels like a fanfic rather than an actual character written like a human. |
"You fought to the end. You survived. That's why you're here now. I think that's something you should be more proud of." - Vladilena Milizé |
| The main reason in my opinion is that some males find the looks of the female protagonist in this anime quite ordinary. Thus they're hating on it with all of their might. Give them something like " My Dress-Up Darling" and they'll start thinking it's the most interesting & profound love story ever. For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view. |
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| Because it has no audience. I haven t seen the anime but based on the synopsis and the reviews it feels like it appeals to neither shounen NOR shoujo fans, it's just too weird. People don t like having "realistically weird" people as main characters；Only cartoonishly weird ones. |
| I'd say it was an average rom-com show. 6.65 is a little bit high. The best I'd give it is 6.3 |
GeoXsf9Jun 20, 2024 1:11 PM
basicallykatsuki said: i seen some people on tiktok also saying they find it toxic (i dont find it toxic myself) so that might be another reason Yeah those TikToker dickheads can't connect the dot of Hananoi being possessive due to his past and how the environment around molded him to be and the difference between that and toxicity. Tho he's personality is trash towards anyone except Hotaru but his relationship with her ain't toxic. Forget those no-brainers |
GeoXsf9Jun 20, 2024 1:44 PM
Yasminaa said: The main reason in my opinion is that some males find the looks of the female protagonist in this anime quite ordinary. Thus they're hating on it with all of their might. Give them something like " My Dress-Up Darling" and they'll start thinking it's the most interesting & profound love story ever. For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view. I don't think Hotaru's looks are the matter but the trash personality of Hananoi |
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Yasminaa said:
The main reason in my opinion is that some males find the looks of the female protagonist in this anime quite ordinary. Thus they're hating on it with all of their might. Give them something like " My Dress-Up Darling" and they'll start thinking it's the most interesting & profound love story ever.
For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view.
The main reason in my opinion is that some males find the looks of the female protagonist in this anime quite ordinary. Thus they're hating on it with all of their might. Give them something like " My Dress-Up Darling" and they'll start thinking it's the most interesting & profound love story ever.
For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view.
I don't think Hotaru's looks are the matter but the trash personality of Hananoi
| @GeoXsf9 Maybe, looks doesn't matter to you. However, the amount of comments that I've read about Hotaru's looks statistically proves my point. Of course, it does NOT mean that it's the only reason why some might hate on the anime. Coming to your point, which is quite popular through this anime's discussions as well, as I mentioned before, Hananoi's character was correctly depicted for someone that has his past and traumas. For someone who has abandonment & trust issues, it's completely normal to act the same way as Hananoi did in the anime. Whether we, as viewers, liked his character or not, should NOT be the criteria if we'd like to give the anime some fair criticism. Same as Hotaru's character which leans towards rationalising her own emotions, thus giving her a surface level understanding of them, which we see develop & change the more she gets in direct contact with the intensity at which Hananoi shows his. I hope this gives you a better understanding of the anime & helps you see it from a different point of view :) |
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Yasminaa said: @GeoXsf9 Maybe, looks doesn't matter to you. However, the amount of comments that I've read about Hotaru's looks statistically proves my point. Of course, it does NOT mean that it's the only reason why some might hate on the anime. Coming to your point, which is quite popular through this anime's discussions as well, as I mentioned before, Hananoi's character was correctly depicted for someone that has his past and traumas. For someone who has abandonment & trust issues, it's completely normal to act the same way as Hananoi did in the anime. Whether we, as viewers, liked his character or not, should NOT be the criteria if we'd like to give the anime some fair criticism. Same as Hotaru's character which leans towards rationalising her own emotions, thus giving her a surface level understanding of them, which we see develop & change the more she gets in direct contact with the intensity at which Hananoi shows his. I hope this gives you a better understanding of the anime & helps you see it from a different point of view :) I didn't see any of that about Hotaru's looks so I didn't know. Tnx for tellin' me. And all the things u said about Hananoi are true. Maybe u misunderstood that I was implyin' that his personality ain't logical based on his past and how the environment molded him to be when I straightout depicted it as "trash". But I wasn't. In fact ur thoughts are mutual to mine. Glad to see another person being able to understand it. U can check comment no. 14 and see that I also have the same understanding |
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The main reason in my opinion is that some males find the looks of the female protagonist in this anime quite ordinary. Thus they're hating on it with all of their might. Give them something like " My Dress-Up Darling" and they'll start thinking it's the most interesting & profound love story ever.
For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view.
For me, I adored the emotions in this anime. It was deep and actually very real from a psychological point of view.
| @Yasminaa People don't like only for looks you know her personality and characteristics are very likeable. But I actually found Hotaru's look quite cute too but she isn't nearly as well developed as they put more focus on Hannoi. |
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@Yasminaa People don't like only for looks you know her personality and characteristics are very likeable.
But I actually found Hotaru's look quite cute too but she isn't nearly as well developed as they put more focus on Hannoi.
But I actually found Hotaru's look quite cute too but she isn't nearly as well developed as they put more focus on Hannoi.
| @WaterMage_658 I agree that the focus was more on Hananoi's side of the story, but I think this is because he's the more emotional of the two main leads. By emotional, I mean, he shows more emotions than Hotaru who is still learning to explore hers. So, I guess it was easier for the mangaka to write from Hananoi's point of view. As for Hotaru herself, I do find her cute as well :) |
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Yasminaa said:
@GeoXsf9 Maybe, looks doesn't matter to you. However, the amount of comments that I've read about Hotaru's looks statistically proves my point. Of course, it does NOT mean that it's the only reason why some might hate on the anime.
Coming to your point, which is quite popular through this anime's discussions as well, as I mentioned before, Hananoi's character was correctly depicted for someone that has his past and traumas. For someone who has abandonment & trust issues, it's completely normal to act the same way as Hananoi did in the anime. Whether we, as viewers, liked his character or not, should NOT be the criteria if we'd like to give the anime some fair criticism.
Same as Hotaru's character which leans towards rationalising her own emotions, thus giving her a surface level understanding of them, which we see develop & change the more she gets in direct contact with the intensity at which Hananoi shows his.
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the anime & helps you see it from a different point of view :)
@GeoXsf9 Maybe, looks doesn't matter to you. However, the amount of comments that I've read about Hotaru's looks statistically proves my point. Of course, it does NOT mean that it's the only reason why some might hate on the anime.
Coming to your point, which is quite popular through this anime's discussions as well, as I mentioned before, Hananoi's character was correctly depicted for someone that has his past and traumas. For someone who has abandonment & trust issues, it's completely normal to act the same way as Hananoi did in the anime. Whether we, as viewers, liked his character or not, should NOT be the criteria if we'd like to give the anime some fair criticism.
Same as Hotaru's character which leans towards rationalising her own emotions, thus giving her a surface level understanding of them, which we see develop & change the more she gets in direct contact with the intensity at which Hananoi shows his.
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the anime & helps you see it from a different point of view :)
I didn't see any of that about Hotaru's looks so I didn't know. Tnx for tellin' me.
And all the things u said about Hananoi are true. Maybe u misunderstood that I was implyin' that his personality ain't logical based on his past and how the environment molded him to be when I straightout depicted it as "trash". But I wasn't. In fact ur thoughts are mutual to mine. Glad to see another person being able to understand it. U can check comment no. 14 and see that I also have the same understanding
| @GeoXsf9 I actually went on and read comment no.14. I'm very pleased to see that you do understand this bit about Hananoi's character and that his relationship with Hotaru isn't toxic. As for how he treats others, I think it was also very accurately depicted when they made him pretty antisocial towards others. People with trust issues will find it very difficult to build any kind of relationship with others unless the goals of such relationship are pretty clear. For example, they might be the perfect employee at a certain company & actually treat their colleagues formally well. However, once they finish work, they'd return back to their antisocial self & probably wouldn't want to interact with their colleagues outside of their work environment at all. Because, any kind of human relationship needs some level of trust, and since people with trust issues don't have that, they will replace trust by rules. So, since there were no rules governing the relationship between Hananoi & his colleagues at school, it was just normal for someone like him to treat them in the way he did. The same would've probably gone for Hotaru herself, if he did not have some kind of history with her that made him feel like she's a "safe"person to be around. It's also one of the reasons why he clung to her with all of his might, because basically he does not have this kind safety with anyone else. Sorry for the long comment, but I really wanted you to see the full picture here :) |
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@WaterMage_658 I agree that the focus was more on Hananoi's side of the story, but I think this is because he's the more emotional of the two main leads. By emotional, I mean, he shows more emotions than Hotaru who is still learning to explore hers. So, I guess it was easier for the mangaka to write from Hananoi's point of view.
As for Hotaru herself, I do find her cute as well :)
As for Hotaru herself, I do find her cute as well :)
| @Yasminaa that's why people prefer Marin she has better character development not just looks so blaming male demographic for liking her is kinda harsh. Also here between two Hannoi story was more intresting (although they didn't cover parents story that much which was the main point of his "weird" behaviour) but Hotaru seemed a way better character overall even though not as well written |
| What if?! Now this might sound crazy but believe me it can happen...WHAT IFFFF People just didn't like this anime as much as you did? I know! ITS OUT OF THIS WORLD! But it might just be possible |
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@Yasminaa that's why people prefer Marin she has better character development not just looks so blaming male demographic for liking her is kinda harsh.
Also here between two Hannoi story was more intresting (although they didn't cover parents story that much which was the main point of his "weird" behaviour) but Hotaru seemed a way better character overall even though not as well written
Also here between two Hannoi story was more intresting (although they didn't cover parents story that much which was the main point of his "weird" behaviour) but Hotaru seemed a way better character overall even though not as well written
| @WaterMage_658 Just wanted to say that I was NOT blaming the male demographic for liking Marine. I was actually just pointing at the triviality of those who hate the anime because they didn't like Hotaru's looks. As for Marine and the anime "My Dress-Up Darling" there's absolutely no shame in liking them whatsoever. I myself am a fan of the anime. Coming to your point, yes there was a bit less written of Hotaru's character, but this does not make the anime as a whole a bad one. Also, Hotaru's character gets clearer & clearer explored the more the events move forward. Actually, "My Dress-Up Darling" has the same issue if we flip the situations and talk about the main male lead. The anime focused more on Marine than Gojou, but again, that does not immediately make it a bad anime. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings here :) |
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@WaterMage_658 Just wanted to say that I was NOT blaming the male demographic for liking Marine. I was actually just pointing at the triviality of those who hate the anime because they didn't like Hotaru's looks. As for Marine and the anime "My Dress-Up Darling" there's absolutely no shame in liking them whatsoever. I myself am a fan of the anime.
Coming to your point, yes there was a bit less written of Hotaru's character, but this does not make the anime as a whole a bad one. Also, Hotaru's character gets clearer & clearer explored the more the events move forward. Actually, "My Dress-Up Darling" has the same issue if we flip the situations and talk about the main male lead. The anime focused more on Marine than Gojou, but again, that does not immediately make it a bad anime.
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings here :)
Coming to your point, yes there was a bit less written of Hotaru's character, but this does not make the anime as a whole a bad one. Also, Hotaru's character gets clearer & clearer explored the more the events move forward. Actually, "My Dress-Up Darling" has the same issue if we flip the situations and talk about the main male lead. The anime focused more on Marine than Gojou, but again, that does not immediately make it a bad anime.
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings here :)
| @Yasminaa Yeah not liking an Anime because you don't find FMC looks attractive is actually terrible. I also find this show decent not the best but not bad the two leads are great , just unimportant side characters and some plots put me off a bit but still not fine for me. Also on point of "My dress up darling" Gojo although not getting more focus he actually was one of the most likeable MC imo and I think they developed him further down the story. Anyway cheers :) |
Yasminaa said: @GeoXsf9 I actually went on and read comment no.14. I'm very pleased to see that you do understand this bit about Hananoi's character and that his relationship with Hotaru isn't toxic. As for how he treats others, I think it was also very accurately depicted when they made him pretty antisocial towards others. People with trust issues will find it very difficult to build any kind of relationship with others unless the goals of such relationship are pretty clear. For example, they might be the perfect employee at a certain company & actually treat their colleagues formally well. However, once they finish work, they'd return back to their antisocial self & probably wouldn't want to interact with their colleagues outside of their work environment at all. Because, any kind of human relationship needs some level of trust, and since people with trust issues don't have that, they will replace trust by rules. So, since there were no rules governing the relationship between Hananoi & his colleagues at school, it was just normal for someone like him to treat them in the way he did. The same would've probably gone for Hotaru herself, if he did not have some kind of history with her that made him feel like she's a "safe"person to be around. It's also one of the reasons why he clung to her with all of his might, because basically he does not have this kind safety with anyone else. Sorry for the long comment, but I really wanted you to see the full picture here :) Nah itz ok. Morever I'm glad that every thought of urs in these aspects match with mine |
| For me personally, it just didn't hit my emotions the same way as the manga. I started out just watching the anime (because it was highly recommended when it was upcoming), and I just thought it was "okay", all the way up to the episode with Hotaru's birthday. And I thought that scene was cute and all, but still, just "okay", almost like something was missing, in a way. So I jumped to the manga and was immediately blown away; I know this sounds crazy but with the quality of Megumi Morino's art, I felt like I was experiencing a completely different story. There's a lightness and fluidity to her art, that also preserves so much detail (I just really really love the way they draw hair), that just wasn't present in anime. It's hard to explain, but there's also a certain charm to the manga that the anime just didn't capture. When I got the part with Hotaru's birthday, something about the way it was portrayed in the manga, made me feel so many more emotions than the anime ever did; I actually cried because of how sweet it was. And in comparison, the anime didn't really make me feel anything in that moment. That's how I knew, at least for me, that the manga is just leagues apart from the anime. And this kept happening with so many other moments, too. Moments that just felt kind of "whatever" in the anime, had me giggling, blushing, crying, kicking my feet, the works- when I read them in the manga. And I don't think it's that I have impossibly high standards or am biased against anime adaptions or anything like that. I was so nervous when it was announced that Ajia-do would be adapting Yubisaki to Renren, because (for very personal reasons), that manga is very dear to me. And in my humble opinion, I think they knocked it out of the park, I adored every episode so much. They preserved everything I loved about the manga and even elevated some moments for me; it has me so excited for a possible future season, if it happens. I'm getting off-track, but I guess my point is that I was just disappointed in Hananoi-kun's anime adaption, because I've seen how it's possible to preserve what makes the manga great (while also adding to it), and East Fish Studio just didn't manage that. The character designs are flatter, the animation is stiffer (at least to my eyes), so many moments just don't land the way they're supposed to. I think the manga making me cry multiple times where the anime never did, says everything, really. It's not that I have anything against Hananoi-kun's character and his relationship with Hotaru, or anything like that. I actually believe the story is deeply important and examines emotions and trauma in a fairly nuanced and affecting way- and I adore them as a couple. But I just can't help but compare the anime to the manga in cases like these, and it really just doesn't live up to what the manga gave us. And the MAL scores also clearly reflect this, with the anime score currently sitting at 6.47, and the manga score sitting at 7.79. Compare that to Yubisaki to Renren's anime score sitting at 8.25, and the manga score sitting at 8.50, and I think it might give us an idea that many people just aren't satisfied with Hananoi-kun's anime adaption in relation to the manga. And that's totally fair, in my opinion. |
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| Personally, I enjoyed it a lot, haven't even noticed the score until now. For me both characters were very relatable from the start in many ways, and I liked how they developed throughout the story both as characters and as a couple. What most people seem to dislike is a creepy behaviour Hananoi initily showed, jumping the gun claiming him as the worst possible person ever, discounting many subtleties to the whole thing, and ignoring the fact that he actually changed, because he's in fact someone who is able to talk and listen, and to apply new experiences and perspectives to grow as a person. There's nothing problematic in the depicted relationship imo, but some people just like throwing judgments at what only lies on the surface. |
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| I think it's boring, and poor animation quality doesn't help either. This is a hot take but I still enjoyed this more than "Angel next door spoils me rotten" - One of the most boring and annoying romance shows I've seen. Hananoi is hard to watch too, but I guess at least Hotaru was likeable, unlike the "perfect waifu" from Angel. |
| The main characters are insufferable. |
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| Personally, after they agreed to go out, it became quite monotonous to me. |
| Honestly, I really liked this anime. Hannoi might be a bit possessive but he has not even once harmed Hotaru an allowed her to take her own time. There are so many shitty and toxic romance anime out there that have a much higher rating so I don't understand why people are creeped out by Hananoi when they are perfectly fine with the others. |
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If they gave Hotaru some huge tits and colored hair, also threw some sexy scenes here and there, people would be calling it the greatest love story ever
| This is so funny lmao. But honestly, like above comments said, the main reason cause of MC behavior, many normies who watch this anime just judge Hananoi as bad character straight from the beginning just cause he has bad/obssessive personality without seeing the big picture or the reason why Hananoi like that. Also related with his obsessive personality, cause this is shoujo, so many female audiences who wanna simp perfect MC also hate his flaw. Then, Hotaru also lacks attractiveness for modern anime (tho i really like her the most in anime). So, Normies/SJW Twitter/Female hate Hananoi + Male who wanna see pretty girl -> Low Score |
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| Because apparently people can't handle flawed characters at all. |
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| Im wondering that myself, ever since I picked it in my FAL Spring Team.... It let me down..... It seemed such a perfect, little Anime on paper, to go popular. |
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Maou_heika said: I have finished it earlier today and also fully enjoyed it :DHonestly, I really liked this anime. Hannoi might be a bit possessive but he has not even once harmed Hotaru an allowed her to take her own time. There are so many shitty and toxic romance anime out there that have a much higher rating so I don't understand why people are creeped out by Hananoi when they are perfectly fine with the others. It was thanks to your comment btw that I got curious about it and I completely share your views here. Hannoi is indeed a great guy for giving Hotaru time to properly develop feelings for him, but the success is also to a great part on Hotaru's side for having been so open about trying it out and for actively wanting to understand his feelings throughout the series: I also like how unlike in many other romance stories, there wasn't too much focus on other, (potential) rivals nor have there been any love triangles, something I haven't seen that often edit: @Kamikoto_kl thanks |
NoboruJul 26, 2024 7:50 AM
| Just thread title intrigued me. I've not seen this anime at all. But I've been reading the comments. Possessiveness is never a good thing. If it comes from a background of trauma then the best way to handle it is to get the person to learn better that it's wrong. There are many ways to do it but enabling the behaviour at all is the worst thing you can do. Which is why I despise enabling characters even more. Those insipid weak willed females who like it or encourage it/don't discourage are not fixing the problem they are PART of the problem. Heck they are making it worse. I never understood or liked the whole I can fix him thing that is so prevalent in anime/manga. If the abusive character only improves after the abused agrees to be with them then they haven't really changed at all. It's just a powder keg ready to explode. (And to be balanced even though I do watch BL that is something I absolutely hate that's so common in it as well) |
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