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Aug 3, 2023 4:51 AM
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Specifically I'm talking about the last episode which is this scene right here.
The Anime didn't showed this scene full because of obvious reasons.The Manga panels are wild for this scene and made me uncomfortable. Kiruko got assaulted and was forced to see the whole thing in the mirror. Now everyone is going to say well what could've he done he was hand cuffed and was completely defenseless. That's not the fkn problem.

I don't have a problem with how the rape was portrayed but Rather Kiruko and Maru's behavior after the event. After this everything felt so disconnected and uncanny.
When the Chad Maru was about to kill that Pedo somebody (Dareka) fkn tell me why TF Kiruko stopped him.

In Conclusion all I can say that Kiruko is Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest I've seen. Thank you for reading.
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Youre weird and disconnected from the depth of reality. Kiruko obsessed over him for years, looking for him. Obviously there's intense stockholm syndrome at play together with him being stuck in his sisters body giving him strojg psychological confusion regarding everything
Aug 3, 2023 5:00 AM
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Bro you just posted cringe fr ๐Ÿฅถ
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K-Arlovski said:
Youre weird and disconnected from the depth of reality. Kiruko obsessed over him for years, looking for him. Obviously there's intense stockholm syndrome at play together with him being stuck in his sisters body giving him strojg psychological confusion regarding everything

Don't bring Stockholm syndrome and obsessive shit in this he protected a Pedo and a fkn rapist. According to you if someone is obsessed over someone they can get away with even rape? you are disconnected from reality.
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Bro you just posted cringe fr ๐Ÿฅถ

I just posted a fact counter it or cry about it.
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Furuhashi1 said:
MineFord_gurme said:
Bro you just posted cringe fr ๐Ÿฅถ

I just posted a fact counter it or cry about it.

Goo goo ga ga gorilla ๐Ÿฆ
Aug 3, 2023 5:12 AM
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MineFord_gurme said:
Furuhashi1 said:

I just posted a fact counter it or cry about it.

Goo goo ga ga gorilla ๐Ÿฆ

Kiruko Fan boy really lost his last two brain cells which were remaining.
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This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.

Aug 3, 2023 5:15 AM
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Furuhashi1 said:
K-Arlovski said:
Youre weird and disconnected from the depth of reality. Kiruko obsessed over him for years, looking for him. Obviously there's intense stockholm syndrome at play together with him being stuck in his sisters body giving him strojg psychological confusion regarding everything

Don't bring Stockholm syndrome and obsessive shit in this he protected a Pedo and a fkn rapist. According to you if someone is obsessed over someone they can get away with even rape? you are disconnected from reality.

There are a lot of victims to these acts that have that response, especially when the perpetrator was someone near and dear to them. They blame themselves, they excuse it saying they weren’t in the right frame of mind, anything to cope with what just happened to them, and ignore the betrayal that came along with such a traumatic event.

Also the simple fact that she did not want Maru to become a murderer on her behalf, he feels bad enough killing the hiruko. At the end of the day, there is no correct response to something like this, there is a wide range of coping mechanisms. In the world they’re in, there’s no time to sulk, so Kiruko decides to put it past her, and move on and feel useful by continuing their journey. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s fine, but that’s what it is.

Don’t say I’m excusing the act either, because of course I’m not, I’m just pointing out her mentality as the victim.
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MusashiKarlsefni said:
Furuhashi1 said:

Don't bring Stockholm syndrome and obsessive shit in this he protected a Pedo and a fkn rapist. According to you if someone is obsessed over someone they can get away with even rape? you are disconnected from reality.

There are a lot of victims to these acts that have that response, especially when the perpetrator was someone near and dear to them. They blame themselves, they excuse it saying they weren’t in the right frame of mind, anything to cope with what just happened to them, and ignore the betrayal that came along with such a traumatic event.

Also the simple fact that she did not want Maru to become a murderer on her behalf, he feels bad enough killing the hiruko. At the end of the day, there is no correct response to something like this, there is a wide range of coping mechanisms. In the world they’re in, there’s no time to sulk, so Kiruko decides to put it past her, and move on and feel useful by continuing their journey. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s fine, but that’s what it is.

Don’t say I’m excusing the act either, because of course I’m not, I’m just pointing out her mentality as the victim
MusashiKarlsefni said:

There are a lot of victims to these acts that have that response, especially when the perpetrator was someone near and dear to them. They blame themselves, they excuse it saying they weren’t in the right frame of mind, anything to cope with what just happened to them, and ignore the betrayal that came along with such a traumatic event.

Also the simple fact that she did not want Maru to become a murderer on her behalf, he feels bad enough killing the hiruko. At the end of the day, there is no correct response to something like this, there is a wide range of coping mechanisms. In the world they’re in, there’s no time to sulk, so Kiruko decides to put it past her, and move on and feel useful by continuing their journey. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s fine, but that’s what it is.

Don’t say I’m excusing the act either, because of course I’m not, I’m just pointing out her mentality as the victim.
Fair point the whole Rape thing is just sad and leaves a bad taste.But I wouldn't mind to fkn Kill and obliterate a Rapist out of existence when I see one, I won't care a bit to be called a murderer because people like these shouldn't exist in first place.
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Aug 3, 2023 5:23 AM
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Furuhashi1 said:
K-Arlovski said:
Youre weird and disconnected from the depth of reality. Kiruko obsessed over him for years, looking for him. Obviously there's intense stockholm syndrome at play together with him being stuck in his sisters body giving him strojg psychological confusion regarding everything

Don't bring Stockholm syndrome and obsessive shit in this he protected a Pedo and a fkn rapist. According to you if someone is obsessed over someone they can get away with even rape? you are disconnected from reality.

Touch grass please. Its a thing that exists. People stay in abusive relationships for years over obsessing over their abusers. Maybe the anime is too much for you, return when you turn 18 myb??? Or vent on "x" and cancel the writer for writing realistic characters
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This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.


I agree with this 100%
Aug 3, 2023 5:37 AM
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Furuhashi1 said:
Specifically I'm talking about the last episode which is this scene right here.
The Anime didn't showed this scene full because of obvious reasons.The Manga panels are wild for this scene and made me uncomfortable. Kiruko got assaulted and was forced to see the whole thing in the mirror. Now everyone is going to say well what could've he done he was hand cuffed and was completely defenseless. That's not the fkn problem.

I don't have a problem with how the rape was portrayed but Rather Kiruko and Maru's behavior after the event. After this everything felt so disconnected and uncanny.
When the Chad Maru was about to kill that Pedo somebody (Dareka) fkn tell me why TF Kiruko stopped him.

In Conclusion all I can say that Kiruko is Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest I've seen. Thank you for reading.

So you think you're gonna kill the person you liked the most and was looking for him for so many days right after being raped? Bro, start putting yourself in her shoes.

A person's mind doesn't work like a robot, especially after a incident like that. And the reason she didn't let Maru kill him was probably because she was messed up in her head, and probably thinking about what that rapist guy (don't remember the name) said about the whole sister and you shit.

And who knows, the rapist could have some idea how to revert her/his body back to normal or anything about the doctor that did to her/him
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Furuhashi1 said:
MusashiKarlsefni said:

There are a lot of victims to these acts that have that response, especially when the perpetrator was someone near and dear to them. They blame themselves, they excuse it saying they weren’t in the right frame of mind, anything to cope with what just happened to them, and ignore the betrayal that came along with such a traumatic event.

Also the simple fact that she did not want Maru to become a murderer on her behalf, he feels bad enough killing the hiruko. At the end of the day, there is no correct response to something like this, there is a wide range of coping mechanisms. In the world they’re in, there’s no time to sulk, so Kiruko decides to put it past her, and move on and feel useful by continuing their journey. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s fine, but that’s what it is.

Don’t say I’m excusing the act either, because of course I’m not, I’m just pointing out her mentality as the victim
Fair point the whole Rape thing is just sad and leaves a bad taste.But I wouldn't mind to fkn Kill and obliterate a Rapist out of existence when I see one, I won't care a bit to be called a murderer because people like these shouldn't exist in first place.

but aren't you saying from the perspective of the audience or not as a victim?
at the end of the day try raping your sister and then see if she tries to kill you or go to some deep blackhole in her brain..
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I haven't read your Contents yet but I can say from just the forum title that you are talking about the hell episode 12 ending right.
that scene was enough for us to be mentally disturbed for a day , I experienced that myself
Aug 3, 2023 7:05 AM
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oh my god stupid drama???!?!?
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Is this thing is that much serious i mean for me it's just like get you daily dose of dopamine and have a good day, btw it's anime we are talking about with full of monsters and plot coming out from author's a$$ like why even expect logic from it??
Aug 3, 2023 7:54 AM
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i kinda hated how they handled it as well, like this shit can be such a traumatizing experience and it felt like they just brushed it off in like 1 episode
i dont read the manga so idk if the topic will come up again in the future but as it stands it felt like they gave the situation not enough importance
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Furuhashi1 said:
Specifically I'm talking about the last episode which is this scene right here.
The Anime didn't showed this scene full because of obvious reasons.The Manga panels are wild for this scene and made me uncomfortable. Kiruko got assaulted and was forced to see the whole thing in the mirror. Now everyone is going to say well what could've he done he was hand cuffed and was completely defenseless. That's not the fkn problem.

I don't have a problem with how the rape was portrayed but Rather Kiruko and Maru's behavior after the event. After this everything felt so disconnected and uncanny.
When the Chad Maru was about to kill that Pedo somebody (Dareka) fkn tell me why TF Kiruko stopped him.

In Conclusion all I can say that Kiruko is Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest I've seen. Thank you for reading.

U do realise robin is that obsessed with kiruko right?
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i kinda hated how they handled it as well, like this shit can be such a traumatizing experience and it felt like they just brushed it off in like 1 episode
i dont read the manga so idk if the topic will come up again in the future but as it stands it felt like they gave the situation not enough importance
You're obviously uneducated on how people react to a traumatizing experience.
Read my previous post, it'll give you some hints.
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my question is why would the guy do that to kiruko in the first place isn't he portrayed as a good character aforementioned in the story?
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my question is why would the guy do that to kiruko in the first place isn't he portrayed as a good character aforementioned in the story?

Turns out he was just a Pedo from the start and Obsessed with Kiruko.
Aug 3, 2023 9:18 AM
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rvdboom said:
mobxmentality said:
i kinda hated how they handled it as well, like this shit can be such a traumatizing experience and it felt like they just brushed it off in like 1 episode
i dont read the manga so idk if the topic will come up again in the future but as it stands it felt like they gave the situation not enough importance
You're obviously uneducated on how people react to a traumatizing experience.
Read my previous post, it'll give you some hints.

Im not uneducated in that matter for reasons im not gonna elaborate further but you brought up a lot of points that i apparently overlooked while watching the show which shine another light on the situation so thank you for that (i really should read what other people are writing in these kinda threads haha)
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rvdboom said:
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I am tired of little kids like you what does Darling in the Franxx has to do with this? if you don't have the argument to this forum please just refrain from spreading your idiocy and retardation.
Then take your own advice and focus on the arguments I gave you in post 8.
Strangely you avoided answering me and preferred to deal blows with others instead.

bro. there are several post for convincing this dude. and he doesn't give a shit. don't waste your time.
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Furuhashi1 said:
K-Arlovski said:
Youre weird and disconnected from the depth of reality. Kiruko obsessed over him for years, looking for him. Obviously there's intense stockholm syndrome at play together with him being stuck in his sisters body giving him strojg psychological confusion regarding everything

Don't bring Stockholm syndrome and obsessive shit in this he protected a Pedo and a fkn rapist. According to you if someone is obsessed over someone they can get away with even rape? you are disconnected from reality.

disconnected from reality? that was a pretty good webtoon
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mobxmentality said:
Im not uneducated in that matter for reasons im not gonna elaborate further but you brought up a lot of points that i apparently overlooked while watching the show which shine another light on the situation so thank you for that (i really should read what other people are writing in these kinda threads haha)
I'm glad to hear that.
I understand people react badly to this passage. I did too. But I had the chance of reading it in the manga and that leaves more time to ponder "what is happening". 
I also watched the anime and read the manga several times and it allows to get hints we overlook on the first vision.
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bruh you know its bad when you have to respond to every reply on dumbass post that no one cares about

you even said 1 episode to ruin the anime experience and youre talking about the manga bruh
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rvdboom said:
mobxmentality said:
Im not uneducated in that matter for reasons im not gonna elaborate further but you brought up a lot of points that i apparently overlooked while watching the show which shine another light on the situation so thank you for that (i really should read what other people are writing in these kinda threads haha)
I'm glad to hear that.
I understand people react badly to this passage. I did too. But I had the chance of reading it in the manga and that leaves more time to ponder "what is happening". 
I also watched the anime and read the manga several times and it allows to get hints we overlook on the first vision.

i almost envy people who are willing to reexperience and read more into anime/manga
im someone who just directly moves on to the next thing and takes everything at face value unless they shake me up to my core (e.g. Serial Experiments Lain or Penguindrum)
i dont think i even wanna know how much stuff i missed in the past that might re-shape my opinion of a show/manga
so good on you, keep educating these people here haha
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Furuhashi1 said:
Specifically I'm talking about the last episode which is this scene right here.
The Anime didn't showed this scene full because of obvious reasons.The Manga panels are wild for this scene and made me uncomfortable. Kiruko got assaulted and was forced to see the whole thing in the mirror. Now everyone is going to say well what could've he done he was hand cuffed and was completely defenseless. That's not the fkn problem.

I don't have a problem with how the rape was portrayed but Rather Kiruko and Maru's behavior after the event. After this everything felt so disconnected and uncanny.
When the Chad Maru was about to kill that Pedo somebody (Dareka) fkn tell me why TF Kiruko stopped him.

In Conclusion all I can say that Kiruko is Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest I've seen. Thank you for reading.

You just wanted to be laughed at
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I won't defend the legitimacy of the scene itself, but you just sound ignorant af about the complexity of rape trauma. 
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
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Take this to fking Twitter
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I won't defend the legitimacy of the scene itself, but you just sound ignorant af about the complexity of rape trauma. 

Right, rape trauma is complex, not to mention Kiruko's identity crisis in this case.

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Also, user @ rvdboom has written the more extended answer in reply #8:
rvdboom said:
This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.


I think it's pretty much an acceptable explanation and there's no need to argue further unless there is counter for rvdboom's points above.
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I can say that afterwards it was quite... strange with how the author dealt with such a heavy topic. Mainly that they both kinda brushed it off and Maru did, well, that stuff. But you don't seem to understand how Stockholm syndrome works or how abuse victims think. Many women will protect their abusers because they believe their abusers still "love" them and those women also "love" their abusers. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is.
And I am speaking from experience here, so do not tell me that I am wrong when it's clear that YOU do not know how abuse victims think. Many women will go back to their abusers even after everything simply because they believe they are still in love with that person and that person is in love with them. Clearly there is no love, but Stockholm syndrome is a thing. It would be weird if Hiruko was okay with Maru killing Robin considering how she/he feels about Robin.The author still handled it poorly considering how they kinda just brushed it off, but I do not think that is what you are talking about here.
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You're wild for disregarding the entire amazing anime for one weird scene. If part of a candle melts onto your birthday cake is the whole cake ruined? No you just don't eat the part with wax on it. The way people obsess over the weird parts of the shows they watch knowing they exist and are everywhere in manga and anime it just absurd. If you don't like one 5 minute scene then fast forward and enjoy the rest of the show.
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whole show ruined by a single scene? a scene for which valid explanations have been provided above as well, now that's extremely goofy.
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His sister was already sleeping with Robin when she was alive whether willing or unwillingly.

Kiruko has massive body dysmorphia and that’s foreshadowed many times leading up to the rape. It’s not surprising that he would have trouble processing what happened.

I was not disappointed over Maru killing Robin if it wasn’t going to add to the plot going forward. I trust that the author knows what he’s doing until proven otherwise.
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just finished this and was thinking the same thing, funny this ended up being the first thing i see when i come to the forums to comment on it
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This thread is hilarious
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Furuhashi1 said:
MusashiKarlsefni said:

There are a lot of victims to these acts that have that response, especially when the perpetrator was someone near and dear to them. They blame themselves, they excuse it saying they weren’t in the right frame of mind, anything to cope with what just happened to them, and ignore the betrayal that came along with such a traumatic event.

Also the simple fact that she did not want Maru to become a murderer on her behalf, he feels bad enough killing the hiruko. At the end of the day, there is no correct response to something like this, there is a wide range of coping mechanisms. In the world they’re in, there’s no time to sulk, so Kiruko decides to put it past her, and move on and feel useful by continuing their journey. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s fine, but that’s what it is.

Don’t say I’m excusing the act either, because of course I’m not, I’m just pointing out her mentality as the victim
Fair point the whole Rape thing is just sad and leaves a bad taste.But I wouldn't mind to fkn Kill and obliterate a Rapist out of existence when I see one, I won't care a bit to be called a murderer because people like these shouldn't exist in first place.

I think the problem with your approach to this is that your focusing too much on punishing the perpetrator and not enough on trying to empathise with the actual victim. The reason rape is so horrific is because of the mental trauma that it leaves behind and if you were to approach an actual rape survivor with this attitude, as if there is a right way to deal with being raped, then you might just make it worse.

it's easy to say fuck rapists and that they should all get what's coming to them and then expect everybody to clap, because no shit, no one is going to disagree, but it is much harder to try and help someone through the aftermath of having to deal with the fact that that experience is part of them now and to not act like their emotions and actions are invalid.
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rvdboom said:
This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.


Very comprehensive breakdown here.

It seems to me like OP just didn’t get enough catharsis watching Maru beat the shit out of Robin, and came up with a few justifications for that feeling.

It’s a classic “more people should die” take, which are almost always wrong because they don’t respect surrounding context.

People say things like this because they want violent catharsis, not because they understand the narrative and think a death would better serve it.

OP’s argumentation is strained to the point of accidental rape victim blaming because they’re retroactively justifying an emotional response.

It’s also worth considering that Kiruko may have stopped Maru because they don’t want to kill people they don’t have to. Not killing for not killing’s sake is a perfectly valid character motivation.

I understand that people like cathartic violence, but these takes so often come off as if the person expressing them doesn’t understand why it’s bad to kill people.
Aug 4, 2023 6:01 AM

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I mean you're a manga reader posting on an anime page. Go find out for yourself if there aren't references or any trauma that Kiruko experiences as a result of that event. My prediction as an anime-only watcher is that that scene will be revisited again and wasn't just brushed off by the author. I don't understand how Kiruko wanting to move on with her life is indicative of being "Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest". You're being pretty aggressive about someone who was just raped at the time and no doubt still felt some attachment(which is completely normal)to the culprit despite what happened.


๐’ฎ๐‘œ๐“‚๐‘’๐“‰๐’พ๐“‚๐‘’๐“ˆ, ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š ๐’ธ๐’ถ๐“ƒ'๐“‰ ๐“‚๐‘œ๐“‹๐‘’ ๐’ป๐‘œ๐“‡๐“Œ๐’ถ๐“‡๐’น ๐“Œ๐’พ๐“‰๐’ฝ๐‘œ๐“Š๐“‰ ๐’ธ๐“๐‘œ๐“ˆ๐’พ๐“ƒ๐‘” ๐“‰๐’ฝ๐‘’ ๐’น๐‘œ๐‘œ๐“‡ ๐’ท๐‘’๐’ฝ๐’พ๐“ƒ๐’น ๐“Ž๐‘œ๐“Š. - ๐‘…๐‘’๐’พ ๐’ฆ๐’พ๐“‡๐’พ๐“Ž๐’ถ๐“‚๐’ถ



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rvdboom said:
This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.

You are 100% right here and its hilarious how the op just didnt respond to you because they know there's no way they could justify themself against this. Well put and I dont think anyone did a better job at explaining it
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UltimateRishi said:
rvdboom said:
This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.

You are 100% right here and its hilarious how the op just didnt respond to you because they know there's no way they could justify themself against this. Well put and I dont think anyone did a better job at explaining it

he still haven't replied to my posts yet
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UltimateRishi said:
You are 100% right here and its hilarious how the op just didnt respond to you because they know there's no way they could justify themself against this. Well put and I dont think anyone did a better job at explaining it
Thanks.
I answered to so many such threads here and on Reddit that I guess I'm starting to have a hand on it. At least I managed to keep this one short enough. :-)
Aug 5, 2023 1:06 AM

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Furuhashi1 said:
Specifically I'm talking about the last episode which is this scene right here.
The Anime didn't showed this scene full because of obvious reasons.The Manga panels are wild for this scene and made me uncomfortable. Kiruko got assaulted and was forced to see the whole thing in the mirror. Now everyone is going to say well what could've he done he was hand cuffed and was completely defenseless. That's not the fkn problem.

I don't have a problem with how the rape was portrayed but Rather Kiruko and Maru's behavior after the event. After this everything felt so disconnected and uncanny.
When the Chad Maru was about to kill that Pedo somebody (Dareka) fkn tell me why TF Kiruko stopped him.

In Conclusion all I can say that Kiruko is Pathetic, Cuck, Simp and biggest questionable siscon/incest I've seen. Thank you for reading.

Well, I somewhat agree with you to some extent that too, just because this scene felt like it was there just for the sake of it. It added nothing to the story other than some shock value and fan service for some weirdos (don't forget few people were complaining about how anime censored this scene compared to the manga). But that's the case with plenty of similar shows, so whatever.

Now coming to the character behavior, I would not defend their choices, but I kinda feel it was obvious that she (or he) would not allow Maru to kill that guy. I mean, she considered him her only family left.

๐“œ๐“ช๐”‚๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ญ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ ๐“ต๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฟ๐“ฎ ๐“ช๐“ผ ๐“ถ๐“พ๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ถ๐“ฎ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐“ธ๐“ฏ ๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ป๐“ผ๐“ฎ๐“ต๐“ฟ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐”€๐“ฒ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ ๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ธ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ซ๐“ฎ๐“ฌ๐“ช๐“พ๐“ผ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ด๐“ท๐“ฎ๐”€ ๐“ธ๐“ท๐“ฎ ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ต๐“ญ๐“ท'๐“ฝ ๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ช๐“ท๐”‚ ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฎ
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Winterrrrrrr said:
oh my god stupid drama???!?!?

For Once, I'm Actually Enjoying It, Stupid-Fun Drama I Guess ๐Ÿ˜…
Aug 5, 2023 3:01 PM
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Lesjer_kun_ said:
Is this thing is that much serious i mean for me it's just like get you daily dose of dopamine and have a good day, btw it's anime we are talking about with full of monsters and plot coming out from author's a$$ like why even expect logic from it??

That's A Fair Fucking Point Actually ๐Ÿ˜‚
Aug 5, 2023 3:07 PM
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Reversign said:
Take this to fking Twitter

No, Not The Death Sentence ๐Ÿ˜‚
Aug 5, 2023 3:10 PM
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pokenate28 said:
You're wild for disregarding the entire amazing anime for one weird scene. If part of a candle melts onto your birthday cake is the whole cake ruined? No you just don't eat the part with wax on it. The way people obsess over the weird parts of the shows they watch knowing they exist and are everywhere in manga and anime it just absurd. If you don't like one 5 minute scene then fast forward and enjoy the rest of the show.

Good Point, Respect +
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rvdboom said:
This has been discussed again and again in this forum and in other threads, as well as on other forums like reddit.
I wish people would just do some searches and look at existing discussions instead of just create threads to spill out their misery.

Anyway, here are short, quick answers to some of your questions. You'll find much more detailed answers by yourself if you really want to:

  • Kiruko stops Maru from killing Robin for two principal reasons:

    • She's experiencing a response very common in victims of rape by someone they know and trust : they have enormous difficulty to blame the rapist and somehow blame themselves for it.
    • She doesn't want Maru to be a killer for her, because she knows it would break him and change their relationship, which she wants to protect above all at that moment.


  • Kiruko's response after the rape is also very classical of rape victims: she pretends that everything is fine and refuses to talk about it. It doesn't at all mean that she's OK, but the problem is to find a psychologist in a post-apocalyptic world.
  • Kiruko is also going through a terrible identity crisis (that's actually ongoing since the beginning of the story) and what happens during the riverside discussion is that she finally accepts that she's no longer Haruki or Kiriko, but a new person.
  • Also, we saw from the beginning that Maru and Kiruko's way of dealing with traumatic experience is to move forward very quickly. They did the same after the death of the landlady eaten by a man-eater, after the death of Hoshino and Usami, after the story with Juichi.

What you say at the end of your message is showing that you blame Kiruko for being raped. I do hope you will reconsider that if you ever have to deal with a rape victim, because that's the worst attitude you could have. A rape victim is a victim, not a personal insult about you. If you feel bad about what this victim had to go through (and that's really a good thing), you must never put the blame on her, even if it hurts you.


Alright, dude. You've actually convinced me to give the show a 9 instead of an 8 now. I originally gave it an 8 because of how they acted after the assault, but I've reconsidered especially with how subtle the show is with everything else.
Good reply. Just a shame that the troll will not even dare to respond to this.
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