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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So now other countries like Germany is also using the Suicide Law. Got a feeling this thing is spreading like a disease. But then again, it's also pretty interesting that Seizaki himself finds him in the middle of all this. The Suicide Law is so much more than just a policy now. |
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| That talk with Pres and Zen. Ooof. I liked it. Like I love watching shows like this, Pet, and ID have really gotten me interested in watching more shows like it. The whole mystery, and investigation. Murder, crime etc. Anyone got any recommendations of other shows like so to check out? |
| Great episode. Soundtrack was really good this episode, especially during the part where the girl jumps into the river. Really liking the President's character and his interactions with Zen. Hearing Zen speak about everything that happened was painful but I loved the moment when the President told him that he should go back to his family no matter what. |
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Reminder that Babylon has 4 nominations in CR's anime awards including Magase Ai for best antagonist. "do you have any other suits" Damn president tried to go on Zen, lowkey. "I don't need to think about whether suicide is right or not, we have other things to think about" Funny because we as an audience should take the same advice. I really enjoyed this episode, this and the last two seem like a calm before the storm of the last two episodes, I'm excited to see how the end goes and hope it's worthy of episode 7's masterful set up. If done properly we'll definitely call this a masterpiece for a long time. Wish it wasn't so slept on. |
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| This anime is really thought provoking. I have been thinking about the stuff they talk about on random occasions to the point that I start talking to myself out loud. It was very refreshing to see Seizaki, a male protagonist, admire a woman, but not have any romantic feelings for her. Most stories won't let a man and a woman have scenes together unless something romantic is going to happen between them. |
| I genuinely think that for the good of the human race, Magase Ai needs to die. She's so dangerous and she literally has the power to send the world into chaos or even instigate the end of the world. I swear, if she doesn't win Antagonist of the Year in the Crunchyroll awards I'm gonna riot! She's the ultimate villain; she's hardly been in the anime and yet she haunts every scene and I'm personally terrified of her! |
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| this anime's ideology of suicide law is fuc*ing my mind... should I support it or not, this is the only question traveling around in my head!!!! |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
| I wonder what Japanese viewers think of Babylon... Somehow I thought suicide would be more delicate subject, especially in Japan, considering suicide rate there. |
| No solace for the fainthearted yet. Seizaki's exchange with the President was gripping. It was a heart-rending recollection of tragedy, but it also unlocked a path forward for Seizaki. Ordered by no one other than the President himself not to succumb to revenge. I am looking forward to seeing what the President conjured up unfold. |
| Another great episode. As expected the president is here the other main besides Seizaki. And now both had a private meeting. Let's see how this ends. Nice that bit of philosphical talk. But I'm a bit surprised that they don't talk about the obvious things that come in mind first. Instead bible stuff and too much theoretical talks. Imo it should be up to the people whether they want to suicide. (Afaik in lots of countries it isn't even forbidden.) But not only should they not be encouraged ... they should be actively disencouraged to do so. Their motivations could be based on bad things/experiences with the society. (Which at the end would make it the fault of the society - and their responsibility to stop someone from making an irreversible move and instead helping.) That's what I'd have preferred to hear in those conversations. But yeah ... USA ... bible ... okay. (And the wrong spelling of "Dem Deutschen Volke" - maybe they feared some copyright ha ha.) |
| Zen going full psycho with his newly acquired gun, seems like his family is the only thing keeping him grounded. I do hope they get featured more cause they look cute together And I really do hope this has a solid conclusion to it, otherwise all this buildup will be for nothing xo_Mela_ox said: I know this isn’t exactly related to just this episode but the poster has made me realise something. The Magase picture that’s there, looks as it’s if choking Fumino and going through Kujiins head. Just something i realises after the reminder of how they died as it greatly resembles their deaths on the poster. I think that was talked about in the ep discussion where the girl was chopped up but ye, the cover art shows how each of those 3 side characters die |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| After this show, I won't trust any woman, haha. |
| So Seizaki wants a gun to kill Magase himself, and the president allowed him to have one while ordering him to "go back to his family." That's something I guess. Oh, he also gave up on thinking if suicide is "right" or "wrong", and he is going to do something else. Kind of a boring episode to me to be honest, but I felt the feels when he told the president about his friends who died. Here's hoping Magase or Itsuki are going to do something big during their summit, or maybe in both of the summits. |
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| Another great episode.Its getting really tense. |
''I was dead serious''  |
| I do appreciate the details of people calling Zen as "Zen" in america rather than Seizaki-san or what have you. Any things continue to progress. Excited to see what the president with say at the summit meeting. Very cool that they targeted the G7 so they could make a suicide version. |
| wow so the Suicide Summit will be where Ai Magase will be probably? Since there are 2 more eps they have to rush it and end this or they will make season 2 but I doubt it |
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| President-kun best boy. As for now Zen seems to be not in danger to go the "unjust" path, but there might be another twist in store that will challange his moral again. So hyped for the next episode. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Zen's flashback really hit us deep. Considering how he had to go on despite all those losses, he's slowly losing his mind. The talk between him and the President could hold him to serve what's right. Also another suicide this episode. Can't determine what's right anymore. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Only 2 episdoes left, i wonder how the story will end. |
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aReviewer said: -michira- said: I wonder what Japanese viewers think of Babylon... Somehow I thought suicide would be more delicate subject, especially in Japan, considering suicide rate there. In very short: philosophy about self-determination (and of course, relief measures for the socially vulnerable) will be necessary for the Japanese ourselves, but the subject would move to the narrow focus -- the legitimate guarantee of the rights of euthanasia. 😒 Thanks for the insight ^^ Didn't expect it to be answered |
| That heavy burden that Seizaki is taking. It hit me right in the spot. Talking about the deaths of his colleagues. That raging anger against Ai Magase. Finally, concluding that "Ai Magase is an evil person" is wthout doubt, the only reason that Seizaki's pursuing this far. |
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| I really liked the atmospheric tension in this episode. It was done amazingly well and the Zen/Alexander combo is a great integration. Excited to see the final stretch. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| I swear, sometimes I think this show actually surpass the quality of SNK in terms of direction. There isn't a single moment this show let me down in this aspect. And depending on how this show end, it may pass some of the masterpieces from last year in my personal ranking such as Kaguya-sama, Vinland Saga and Mob Psycho 100 II. And let be a little salty, but this show really deserves the praise and attention Kimetsu is having |
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TGAvi said: People don't like good adult show like babylon They just like simple show like bnha and kimetsu What's the matter ? Some people watch shows purely for entertainment, so they prefer a funny good-looking show (aka having a good reputation to start with) which will make them smile and not thinking too much. Babylon is great but I never smiled during any of the 10 aired episodes ; actually without bringing me down, it surely made me feel a bit sad of the whole story (especially with this episode where Zen comes back to 3 important characters' deaths whose we witnessed 2 in direct). So now just think about someone who comes back from school/college/work after having a complete day using his body/brain : well perhaps he/she just wants to laugh by a funny show or become amazed/impressed by a fantastic fight scene... |
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| That conversation between the President and Seizaki was needed. Its been a while since we heard Seizaki's thoughts on these matters |
I have never seen an anime like this before. I am entertained all the time with the incredible arguments and facts of the show. Incredible. |
Helo-chan said: I have never seen an anime like this before. I am entertained all the time with the incredible arguments and facts of the show. Incredible. I agree I don't know why people hate this anime The rate is low |
| Kaiba Itsuki's Suicide Law is more than just a country's within-a-country law, but a law that's taking over the world by storm. And that is in no part thanks to Ai Magase and her manipulative efforts to persuade even high government officials. As for Seizaki, his decision to fight Magase while defecting to the U.S. is slowly taking shape, but it is at President Wood's disposal to depict what does suicide really mean, more than just his judgment and final take on it to change the current landscape. It's not so clear-cut when it comes to the individual's will to decide whether suicide is for the good or bad, it varies depending on circumstances. When it comes to the conversation between President Wood, his wife and Seizaki, the wordplay of names is such an irony. "Zen" as in good and evil, and "Ai" being Love, but love in absurdity. More than that, Seizaki's revenge against Magase extends to the subordinates he had (Fumio, the second guy (sorry forgot his name) and Sekuro) and eradicating her off from the face of the Earth to stem the justice needed. Despite that, President Wood issues Seizaki the go-ahead, but NOT in the way that he expected. As the Suicide Law takes shape worldwide, everyone is watching, even the most powerful of nations, the U.S. It's fast rushing development is a major cause of concern, but for the strategist playing President, he knows his cards well. Onky 2 episodes left...what will become of this development (because Mado Nozaki is no stranger to butchering series at the final stretch). Let's hope that this epitome sticks and lands its ending strong. |
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| I really don't know if I should trust the US president in this series or not. On one hand, he seems like he really is a good "thinker" and will therefore take the right decisions, however, on the other hand, it feels too easy to just trust him and rely on his forthcoming judgements. I feel like the anime is going to give us one final plot twist in the last to episodes which will involve Alex. Nevertheless, I'm looking really forward to this! |
｢ Између људи и нељуди. ｣ 𝟏𝟏𝟏 |
| I'm pretty sure the president is going to choose the G7 summit over the one in Japan and Seizaki is going to disobey the President's order. Ai Magase probably won't fly all the way back to Japan so soon and will likely try to whisper in the G7 leaders ears as they watch the Japan conference unfolds and will simultaneously convince both cities and countries around the world to be accepting of the law. I think Magase wants this so that she can 'relieve' people from the burden of living and be unchallenged while doing so but I'm not too sure as to why (not sure the whole asking 'what is right and wrong' question is her real objective) and I'm not sure how she got these powers in the first place so I'm gonna hold back on my theories. Anyway Seizaki will probably see this and intrude on the G7 meeting, spot Ai and try to shoot her. He'll most likely fail, but won't get arrested (i.e. escape) because there's only 2 episodes left so I'm guessing we'll get a Psycho Pass ending where he runs and runs to track down Ai and ultimately kill her OR he kills himself along with her - 'relieving' him from his suffering and ending Ai's existence. Of course I'm probably going to be way off with how it specifically goes from here, but I'm very certain we're going to get some gunshots going (just because of how much it has been set up) and the only event where I can think of this happening is the G7 or the Japan conference where you know Ai will definitely be. All in all it was a fantastic episode and it really keeps me on my toes, making me suspicious of literally any female character. The way they set up the prez's wife like that, made me believe that she was Ai (especially the fact that there was a spider web behind her in one of the scenes) but it won't make logical sense given that she is technically older than the prez and the prez is somewhat old himself so she couldn't have been the teenager that seduced that doctor dude in the earlier episode. Unless I'm confusing the timelines and the ages of the president and doctor are wrong I don't think Magase could have been the wife is probably just a big red herring. Of course I can see it being a case of she's a clone (an older one) and Magase is the younger clone (or the original) that was manufactured to steer the top brass of countries upon request by their creator - sort of like spies. That would explain the the president's unanswered question of 'why did my wife marry me?' and it can give a 'stories' solution' to the origin of 'their' power. It could even explain how the gamer dude president even became the president, because his wife was extremely smart, convincing and pushed him to win - I think I saw a lot of parallels with how his wife talked, behaved and 'seduced' him and how Magase does her stuff. Maybe 'Babylon' is just the name behind the project or organisation that they belong to control the world (or to 'create a new world'). It's an anime story direction that has been done before like in Terror in Resonance or Steins;Gate, Occultic;Nine etc., so I won't be surprised if I'm actually right about all this. Anywho can't wait for next week and I'm looking forward to the word Babylon being named dropped in the next 2 episodes ("Have you ever heard of Babylon?", hahaha that would be cool). P.S. I didn't think about this earlier but Babylon doesn't necessarily have to be a 1-cour show, there could be a second season on the way considering that the books are technically not finished yet? So we may just get a big cliffhanger in the end where everything goes to shit once again. |
| Can't wait to see Seizaki and the boomer gamer president destroy them at the suicide summit. Last episode was pretty boring but it looks like things are gonna get way better knowing Seizaki has a gun now. |
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