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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hmm, it seems Toi has his reasons to not let Kazuki have a Dish of Hope. We still get the usual weird themes and performances in the show. At this point, I'm pretty on board with how this show operates in terms of its style. A rather thrilling episode if you ask me. (felt more serious than the previous ones) |
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| According to this tweet next week appears to be the actual first content that Mappa has any hand in whatsoever. I'm wondering how this will affect the production. About this episode. I'm speculating on all kinds of things but I feel like I need more episodes to truly make concrete theories on this & that. I love the tonal quips from quirky funny to serious so much tho! |
| This episode reminded me of Patlabor the movie 1. The scene where two detectives walk around Tokyo's hidden/ruined areas.  |
| Wait WHAAAAAT Well ok it was expected that him killed a person But yoooo that scene after the credits And looks like the policemen are going to make their moves |
| Your weekly reminder for the after credits scene. This episode was a big tonal shift. First we establish a weird magical boy type of anime. Then they talk about crossdressing. Then they talk about loving your best friend. And then they are talking about killing a dude with a gun while your own little brother is watching. I welcome the variety, but jesus. And if you mind me going on a rant here, all I watch of every episode of this series is the first half, the "leak" and the after credits scene. I like the animation on the fight and transformation parts but they become repetitive fast. I know that repeating transformations are common in anime, but that doesn't make them less repetitive and even then this anime takes it too far, making even the fights play out all the same. The best part of this anime quickly becomes it most tedious part and I don't like that. |
| Suddenly I feel like the repetitiveness of some scenes has deeper meaning. I'm super hyped for next episode and hope the gay cops will have more screen time |
| Finally, it looks like the characters will meet Sara, Reo and Mabu. I love those three characters. Glad to hear the policemen say each other's names. When I was reading the spin off manga, it always felt like they say each other's names in a very affectionate manner. I wasn't wrong, I think. Kazuki has become quite comfortable cross dressing in front of the two boys. Didn't think Kazuki would give his dish of hope to Tooi. He's a good guy. The animation changed a little, but didn't lose quality. I really like that fact. I have rewatched the previous episodes so many times cuz I really like this anime so far. But now, it feels like I have taken the humour away for me, and replaced it with sadness. I feel bad for Enta. His crush keeps ignoring him. The last scene shocked me. Hope Kazuki was lying. Harukappa really loves him! |
| just realised that the kuji brothers are actually named distant (toi) and close (chika) |
| without lesbians this is not fun :( |
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| What a brilliant episode, Kuji might become my favorite after all. We got a small glimpse before of him and his connection with his brother seeing them doing illicit stuff, but now, thanks to his leaked secret and the flashbacks, we are finally getting to know them better! His parents were tricked into a large debt and ended up dying, leaving their sons behind to suffer with it. They were going to lose it all, but Kuji's plight moved his brother, who did something insane and stole the money of his gang to pay off the debt and keep their place. Of course he became a target after it, and Kuji, trying to help him, got involved resulting in that shared homicide. I don't know if Kuji's shot would have been enough to kill the guy, but what matters here is that his brother didn't let Kuji carry the burden alone, and was quick to "finish the job", sharing the weight of it with him. I don't think he had anything to gain by doing it, so at least then, he really, really cared about Kuji, and now I understand why he likes him so much. The ending was really surprising though, Kazuki's feelings might be even more complicated than what I thought. After getting to know about Haruka's condition to an extent, I just assumed that Kazuki wanted the Dishes of Hope to cure his brother, but even though he crosses the line by stealing pets, and pretends to be someone else to connect with Haruka, he still said that he hates him and offered what he had to Kuji. Right now he feels closer to Kuji than to Enta or Haruka to be honest. I want to know why his connection with Haruka got so complicated in the first place. Oh, on the lighter side, I loved how Kazuki just jumped to hug Kuji, and nonchalantly asked him to commit a crime for him. I also loved how he was "charmed" and blushed with the sight of Kazuki gulping down that soba broth. xD It was also nice to see Kuji's transformation and him singing at least. I wonder what's going to happen to the greeting with Sara now. |
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| Cops dance does not become any less enjoyable no matter how many times I’m watching it. The episode was amazing tho. Regardless how ridiculous whole setting is, the story gets deeper and darker with every episode. This scene after credits gave me chill. Can’t wait for next episode |
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| The episode was great, and i love how Kuji secret is so different from the others two. For those interested, next episode will be the first one handled by Mappa. |
| this anime confuses me 70% of the time but still manages to captivate me and make sense |
| I feel Kazuki is either trying really hard to perfect the character of Sara or he has some alternative purpose for wanting to do so. Like not to say Haruka has nothing to with it, but I just feel like he enjoys it too much perhaps. Also I think Toi is getting some new feelings based on this look  Another thing I noticed is that Kazuki's moral blind spot is revealed to be bigger with each episode. Like Toi was clearly set up to be dangerous from the start, but Kazuki's darkside is really coming out too. The fact he was totally cool with kidnapping Sara and seemed totally unfettered by Kuji's secrets really speaks volumes. |
| Damn the ending's visuals were so mind blowing! Kuji's story with his brother was touching. Wonder why Kazuki hates Haruka though? Still don't get Reo and Mabu's role in this series!?? |
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| Man, seems like Kazuki really is a piece of shit. |
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| I really enjoy the idea of Weird/Edgy/Shonen Ai Mahou Shonen here and I don't mind the repeated transformations, etc. at all. I hope mahou shonen becomes a thing |
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| I was not expecting to get the FEELS!!! This episode made me tear up and just wanna give Kuji a big hug. And it's laughable how so many people take Kazuki's words about how he hates Haruka at face value. I'm expecting lots of answers in next week's episode! |
| Well, Kazuki is indeed a bad person, and the fact that hides it very well makes me think that he can be even worse than Toi. |
| No tomo malas decisiones, solo me gusta apoyar causas perdidas. Disfruté Mayoiga, Ou-sama Game, Evil or Live, Mirai Nikki, Big Order, Arifureta, Ex-Arm, Tesla Note, Shuumatsu no Harem y Platinum End nope les falle con esa, lo siento pero todos tenemos nuestros límites. Así de jodido es mi gusto en anime, ¡Y estoy pinche orgulloso de ello!  |
| Toi had a really fucked up childhood after his parents died.. I'm surprised he shot the guy at such a young age but as Toi himself said, it was self defense so yeah. Also the police couple are going to step up their game, eh? I wonder what they will come up with. Now talking about Kazuki.. in this episode he continues to be selfish as ever, and what he said at the end is obviously odd. Up until now it seemed to me like he was doing everything he could to make Haruka happy because he's maybe ill, so is he really going to wish for him to be healed or not? If Kazuki doesn't want to collect the plates anymore there's also the possibility the wish could have been something else that is also connected to Haruka then. Just a thought, I feel like what Toi said at the beginning about people being replaced if forgotten could ~maybe~ aplly to Kazuki to a degree. His "hatred" could be because their parents care more for Haruka because he's younger or if he is really is ill and Kazuki feels left out. I also dont think we've ever seen him eating with his family even once, plus he is always expressionless when around them and keeps hearing their 'family talks' from another part of the house. Is he adopted? Maybe their parents remaried..? I'm interested to know more in further episodes. |
ayumiisMay 2, 2019 8:36 PM
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| Kuji's backstory was actually something that I wasn't expecting based on how it was executed but for me it makes sense for how Kuji is as a person. I also liked how the scenes were transitioned in the episode. Based on the 4 episodes so far, out of the trio Kuji is my favorite (Kazuki is my least favorite only because he doesn't stand out as much compared to the other characters in the show). On the other hand I wasn't expecting to hear the final line of the episode to be said at all. |
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| Man the otter cops are truly the most random and strange characters in an already random and strange show lol, another pretty good episode in the books, interested to see where it goes from here |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| Haruka and Kazuki's relationship could be stepbrothers or Kazuki is somehow adopted, which pretty much collides with how Kazuki is distant from his "family". And pretty much, Kazuki is the one responsible for Haruka's disability, and he's helping Haruka out of guilt as a brother on the outside. The reveal of Tooi's past might have had impact on Kazuki cause it's opposite to his situation. Tooi wants to get close to his brother but can't due to the complex situation while it is the opposite for Kazuki as Kazuki is actively trying to distance himself away from Haruka and only do the opposite while cross-dressing as Sara. Tooi could sympathize more with Enta with their chemistry of wanting to get closer to a person but the other is oblivious to their emotions. |
| Yo what the fuck? I didn't expect that last line. I want otter vs kappa fight soon. At least I hope it happens. |
papsoshea said: After hearing so much praise about this director, I am now convinced that he's being praised for re-using the same tricks and re-telling stories in the same way. Everything is a mess so far - lack of focus narratively, the re-use of animation is just short cuts, let's be real - how many times do we have to see it because "it will have a special meaning to it" hmm? "This is just classic Ikuhara" - this shit doesn't fly in other shows. And taking a page out of Japanese folklore and fetishizing the crap out is just tiresome and annoying. The characters arcs I can get behind but here's the thing - this show is all about connecting with others but its done a shit job so far in giving me a good reason to care for the protagonists. Maybe its too early, but I already have a gut feeling. I mean, look at this.  Image from - https://www.reddit.com/r/Sarazanmai/comments/bk04pg/my_ikuhara_bingo_is_coming_along_pretty_well_have/?ref=readnext There's nothing original here. To enjoy Sarazanmai, first, you have to get through the self-indulgent schlock from Ikuhara. It's fine if you don't enjoy it, but it's definitely not "shit". The butt stuff isn't even sexual, it's very heavily stylised, I don't see any fetishisation anywhere. Ikuhara likes to create morally grey characters, and I think Toi is quite a sympathetic character. Although Kazuki can come up as unlikable, his motivations are a mystery and I am intrigued to find out more about him. The reusing animation comes from magical girl shows where reusing animation is quite common, and becuase this is a magical boy show it's not a big deal if it reuses animation? |
| A bunch of the bingo slots don't even make sense in the first place, and nothing in Sarazanmai is original just because "some of the wild tropes that any author could reuse" can apply here as well?? Jojo must be a complete crap of reusing tropes if that's the case. It's fine to not like his style but at least be sensible when giving reviews. |
| Oof that was quite an episode but I gotta admit that the secret was not as juicy as the ones before. Probably because I already saw it coming from how they set up the whole episode. So many small things are happening and I can see some dots finally connect. Kuji playing around with the soccer ball in ep 3 and the decoration of his room before 'the incident' clearly show that he also loved soocer at some point. He had to move away and just recently moved back which could mean that... Kuji and Kazuki/Enta already met before when they were younger through soccer. Just think about it, I mean that would be a typical Ikuhara thing to pull. Since Enta was living abroad for some time it could also be possible that just Kazuki/Toi already met before which would make them destinied lovers or sth XD The only scenes which show Kazuki smiling are the ones he shares with Kuji.(coincidentally that's also when he's in cosplay mode) He seems to rely and acknowledge Kuji and also doesn't mind being close to him(hugging scene) while he seems more distant with Enta despite being great friends in the past(never answering his text messages and being annoyed everytime Enta gets into white knight mode. Thinking about it we never got a glimpse of Kazukis perspective on their friendship. We just saw Entas magical memories from when they were 'the golden kombi' and how Kazuki supposedly talked to him first. Is that really true though is the real question? Was that friendship really that magical and beautiful? Enta being a great friend to Haruka and arguably a better big brother is also sth that comes to mind. I can't shake the feeling that he's only doing it to be close to Kazuki though.. In Ep 3 he did care more for the Micanga than his own sisters well being so it wouldn't be far fetched to think that Enta just tries to be close and somewhat relevant in Kazukis life. And then the after credit scene ooooh boy. No one saw that one coming I would assume. There could be many reasons why Kazuki said sth strange like this. Maybe he is just lying to make Kuji not feel bad about taking his dish or maybe Kazuki really is a nutjob after all. I can't wait to see what Kazukis and Harukas relationship really is. It probably won't be pretty! |
| I was expecting this episode to be a lot bigger than it was, considering episode 4 was supposed to be a special one(or something was said along those lines). It was certainly darker than the previous episodes, for sure, and the ending might be a turning point in the story. Does Kazuki actually hate Haruka, or does he perceive Haruka as a burden? |
| Toi has such a messed up life :S I guess as far as tone and themes are concerned,this was my favorite episode so far. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Jesus chirst people, don't like then drop it, no need to come here every week complaining about how you don't get this and blablabla. |
papsoshea said: From everything I've heard about Ikuhara the past month, especially from his fans, Sarazanmai is already showing all of his trademarks – self-indulgence, and lack of narrative focus. I've also never watched another Ikuhara show, and similarly, I've heard that the story/narrative of his past works (Utena, Penguindrum, Yurikuma) can be hard to grasp because his style is so unorthodox. But, I think Sarazanmai's narrative isn't hard to follow or "unfocused" at all. The first scene of the anime introduced the show's narrative interest and crux—the want (desire) to form connections with other people, and, the troubles and tribulations this urge involves. That is, you may yearn for connection, but barriers abound: you may not be physically close to the person, you may not be emotionally close to them, you may not mentally understand them, etc. We then have our (so far) episodic formula that explores these questions. The first half of the episodes reveal some type of information about one of the boys, and focuses on what they're up to. They inevitably interact with the other two in some fashion. All three learn new aspects about each other—they grow closer in some cases (Kazuki and Toi find relatability in one another, as each yearn to be "closer" to their brother. Toi and Enta find relatability in that they are both treated distantly by the one they yearn to be close too), and more distant in others (Enta and Kazuki's friendship is challenged as they each discover the hidden facets of the other [Enta wants more then friendship; Kazuki seemingly doesn't care to maintain the friendship]. Enta and Toi, interestingly, are set up as "rivals" for Kazuki's affections, resulting in a distance between them, despite their other similarities). Next, you have the cop's Mabu and Reo sequence. Here, the narrative turns completely to desire extraction. Mabu and Reo are the story components literally making desire physical. Further, this embodied desire becomes the enemy that the Kappa-transformed boys have to face. When the Kappa-boys clash with the desire-enemy, we have the "stock animation" fight sequence. This is the part of the narrative wherein the connections between all the characters merge. Mabu and Reo (and their supposed bosses, the otters) aren't at the fight, but the desire-enemy they've extracted is. When the boys fight it, a connection between them and Mabu and Reo forms. It's inevitable that they will "connect" through clash/confrontation latter on. Also, the Kappa-boys fighting together deepens the connections between them. They sing a fight song together (and they have to cooperate to sing, as who takes the lead vocal role changes), they join hands to physically make a weapon (again, they have to cooperate), and then, they share a mind when they experience the "leak". This is the most interesting way they connect in my opinion. By sharing a mindscape, they transcend the normal rules and laws of relations. In reality, you can't literally get inside a person's head and view their memories. Yet this is what Kazuki, Toi, and Enta are experiencing. They're forced to connect in a myriad of ways. And once they extract the shirikodama, a venn diagram pops up. It shows the status of their connection. So far, it's been four "No beginning. No end. No connection"s (image below).  IE > They've yet to connect. They still don't quite understand each other, they don't know enough about each other, and they can't believe in, depend on, trust, and be close friends with one another. As the story proceeds and they continue to do the sarazanmai, this will change. They'll connect. And that's the narrative focus! Ikuhara is creating a narrative that is wholly interested in the ability of people to connect. And he's focusing entirely on that. Sure, there's a lot more stuff going on. There's the social media commentary, the desire-over-love-or-love-over-desire argument, there's the Japanese folktale stuff, water + circle + technology imagery and metaphor, there's interesting silencing going on (Sara is only visible through a screen most of the time), and even more subtle things! But Ikuhara isn't messing around and becoming lost in all this. It's there, but it's periphery to the main narrative beats. Hence the formula and structure that's developed for the show. What it does, is keep the narrative focus. Intensifies it. The audience is primarily invested in the bond and relationship's between Kazuki, Toi, and Enta, because that's what every 22 minute episode explores! The only segue away from them is when Mabu and Reo take over in the middle—but because Mabu and Reo are creating the desire-enemy of the week which will force the boys to do the sarazanmai—their section of the show is central to the narrative. Sorry for the long ramble! I just can't agree with the assessment that this show has a "lack of narrative focus". To me, the show doesn't waste a minute of its time on anything that isn't central to the narrative. As for self indulgence, well, an auteur is only an auteur because you can identify components in their work that makes it distinctly theirs. At the end of the day, we've seen every story there is to tell: A romance is a romance—boy meets boy, and falls in love; girl meets girl and falls in love; boy meets girl and falls in love; etc! A fantasy tale is a fantasy tale—magic exists and can be cast; monsters exist and are invading human society; vampires, ghosts, wolves, fairies, and so on. It's the style and approach to how we tell these ever-occurring stories, that makes reading/watching/playing books/shows/games endlessly fun. And Ikuhara? Man, the guys got a really fascinating style. As I said at the beginning, I've never seen his stuff. But boy, am I excited to see some more after this, because I think his style is so much fun! Of course, it's always a matter of personal taste whether you like someone's style or not. I just don't think it's "self-indulgent" to palpably have a style. [Wow. Sorry for the essay length post/reply; I blame the English major part of me.] |
MahouShoujoLainMay 3, 2019 10:52 AM
| So big bro isn't just a bad guy, he's a good guy who does bad things for his family (specifically, his brother). He not only wanted to take the responsibility away from Kuji about that man dying, but it really says something when he got on his - a child's - eye level. That's what you do with children when you want to form a connection, you get close and kneel down. And then that comforting hug oh man. It didn't look like Kuji even minded the jump hug, the reaction came from what Kazuki said haha. Kazuki even coming up with such a plan shows he's more twisted than we thought? Stealing a cat is one thing, an entire person another. He's not afraid to get what he wants, and I like that kind of selfishness in a main character. You don't get that too often. Across the board all the kids are flawed and I like how we get to see the extremely personal, unpleasant sides. The ending credits scene! I'm eager to see what he means by that and how it contrasts Kuji's own relationship with his brother. MahouShoujoLain said: [Wow. Sorry for the essay length post/reply; I blame the English major part of me.] Don't apologize, others like me enjoy reading these rambly walls of text ;-) I also don't understand when people say the narrative is hard to follow. Yes it can be confusing at times, but it's not entirely hard to digest; you just have to think about it a little. We don't have to be spoon fed everything all the dang time. |
CMYKMay 3, 2019 11:58 AM
| Really good episode, it felt a more serious than the rest. I really wanted to see the cops dudes fight Kazuki, Enta, and Toi, but I guess that's probably going to be a later...Toi's backstory was really interesting....overall, a good episode this week. |
CMYK said: MahouShoujoLain said: [Wow. Sorry for the essay length post/reply; I blame the English major part of me.] Don't apologize, others like me enjoy reading these rambly walls of text ;-) I also don't understand when people say the narrative is hard to follow. Yes it can be confusing at times, but it's not entirely hard to digest; you just have to think about it a little. We don't have to be spoon fed everything all the dang time. Rambling is my forte, I guess. And I think people may find it hard to follow because it doesn't slow down and give the audience time to process? The show just chugs along and expects its audience to be able to understand everything right as it is happening and to keep up. I can definitively see how that is aggravating. papsoshea said: MahouShoujoLain said: You pretty much explained everything we already know in bigger detail. When I say a lack of narrative focus, I am not having trouble understanding it, it's just that it's jumping all over the place like it feels like the director has ADHD or something - and that's distracting, messy and when you combine that with his visual staples, its quite disgusting and gratuitous. And all the use of the same scenes, it is like 7-8 minutes of these (with minimal changes) is starting to be a bit tiresome, like how many times do we have to see it to get to the "connections between all the characters merge" part? There are many ways to switch things up but this is "classic Ikuhara" and apparently, "saving effort/cutting costs" is also a good excuse. Every week, we get a new focus put on one of the three protagonists, some new details about them but in terms of format, it is the same stuff, this series feels more than loopy, and what I've heard from others that have watched most of his previous works, I am not surprised. It's groundhog day and the idea that it may stay in this format any longer is a drag. We see it in a different light but I'm glad you enjoy it.[Wow. Sorry for the essay length post/reply; I blame the English major part of me.] Thanks for taking the time to respond. I realise I come across as super lecture-y, and apologise for that; I think, more than replying to you, I was also unpacking the first 4 episodes. I really should have done it in a new post rather than as a reply to you. Sorry! Also, the "jumping all over the place" assessment is completely fair. I can see how his style would be aggravating to people who just want the show to slow down. And if it didn't have as much re-used animation, then you're right, we would have 6ish more minutes of time that Ikuhara/the-rest-of-the-anime-team could use to flesh out the characters, show us deeper and longer conversations, etc. I agree that that could also be interesting and strengthen the show. Right now, you don't have too close a connection (ha!) with Kazuki, Toi, and Enta because we've really only gotten time to know them for 10 minutes each episode. I feel like Ikuhara sacrifices nuanced characterisation for his fast-paced symbolic stuff. It definitely would be exciting for him to change things up and break the formula! I am anticipating the time the characters really connect and merge, and for a time when we don't see the same end result. As for the other thing, I can see how his style comes across as gratuitous and disgusting. He's really very . . . uh, shall we say, up front about showing us stuff. It can be polarising to come face to face with slime/goop, the naked body (or silhouettes of it), and he really sexualises bodies. And it is a little weird when it involves 14 year old boys. But I don't think he does all of this pointlessly. He's overt—he's not hiding that what the boys are doing is, well, sexual in nature. Magical girl/boy transformations involve the de-clothing of the body; they inevitably get naked. They extract an organ from the butt; a mimicry sexual action. I kinda like how transparent he is about all of this? Again, it's such a personal taste thing as to whether this interests you or grosses you out. It's a genuine response to be annoyed by his presentation and find it gratuitous. I think Ikuhara loves visuals that drip excess. And not everyone wants to see it. Thank you for understanding that I, and others, enjoy this style (I always liked Groundhog Day >_>). And it's great that you are unafraid to voice your opinion. Your perspective on the show has merit, you are right—how you've understood and reacted to the show makes total sense—and it's actually made me see the show in another light. |
MahouShoujoLainMay 3, 2019 6:29 PM
| Something about Sara that may be a spoiler, I'm unsure as I only know it because I read the synopsis on the manga about the cops, is I noted this episode that no one is traditionally morally good in the main cast. Kuji due to his hard life has taken after his brother, the weak perish and are forgotten and the strong survive so get by no matter what. Kazu due to the anything for Haruka mentality of course. However, Enta is the most innocent it seems where he's been characterized by emotions he cannot control and unrequited love kinda making him a reactive character as opposed to the other two active ones. I liked the scene where Chikai took the gun and killed the gang leader himself as to shoulder the blame of killing him. In the family photo Chikai looked happy.. I guess when it came to the debt and loss of his parents he decided that he'd rather be the one who does the conning and killing than the one conned and killed, huh. And Kuji tries to rationalize his actions the same way but the way he protected Enta and gave him his box back definitely make me think he goes out of the way to help people. He may even do it for Kazu now that a love triangle is starting. |
| Kuji was already my favorite character and this episode only cemented it. Not even surprised by that post-credit scene honestly considering the way Kazuki has interacted with his little brother this whole time. The crossdressing act seems more like an obligation at this point than it does some kind of passion. ShadowMega said: Tooi could sympathize more with Enta with their chemistry of wanting to get closer to a person but the other is oblivious to their emotions. Kuji's older brother doesn't come off as being oblivious to his desire to be next to him at all to me; he's purposely keeping him at arm's length because he already unwillingly let his younger brother fall into a life of fairly mild crime (I barely know anyone around my age that HASN'T sold weed in some capacity and killing someone obviously isn't mild but if that hasn't had any legal recourse yet then it likely never will so it practically never happened) and is trying to keep him away from getting any deeper. I feel like Big Bro's text to reschedule their reunion is some foreshadowing of shit hitting the fan for him. EDIT: Some typos. |
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