Might just as well drop it

chewduwang143 said:
Might as well drop it, it's such a huge disappointment.
I mean, coming from Madhouse you'd expect something of quality, but turns out the animation isn't even average and the art is horrible. Some says that it's done intentionally, but it doesn't change my opinion.
I honestly can't understand how it influenced great authors such as Nisio Isin.

JudoJD said:

Oh...one of those people who doesn't know what a novel and an anime are.
I feel sorry for you if you base stuff off of anime adaptations...like...yikes
You'll understand one day. Don't worry

bastek66 said:
It's not Madhouse that disappointed but Shingo Natsume. Studio has been doing terrible looking shows like Overlords. OPM looked good thanks to freelance animators that Natsume brought. Why did he fail here? Why couldn't he stick to OPM.

Farabeuf said:
Don't you just love it when people open brand new threads to inform the world of their decision instead of just inserting it in as part of an episode discussion?

KatsutoSaki said:
Just shows the difference between how much people pay attention while watching an anime.

xZabuzax said:
Crap, I was looking forward to watching this anime but now that I see a lot of people complaining I don't know if I'm going to watch this anytime soon. Instead of watching a crappy adaptation I rather watch something else to not waste my time in this, there's plenty of other good animes out there that I haven't watched yet.

I expected the rating of this anime to be around 8.0+ but it looks like it will be around 6.0 by the time this finishes airing. If an anime has a low rating like this then they are not in my priority list.

LockHowl said:
This whole thread is pointless. If you don't want to watch an anime, do you have to announce it to the people who are enjoying it? I like this kind of seinen. I enjoy the mature plot line. Does it have flaws? Certainly.

Go watch something else.

Farabeuf said:
Don't you just love it when people open brand new threads to inform the world of their decision instead of just inserting it in as part of an episode discussion?

KatsutoSaki said:
Just shows the difference between how much people pay attention while watching an anime.

TolkienFan365 said:


That isn't the issue for me I actually I understand everything that is going on in the plot for the first arc. Like I rated Serial Experiments Lain a 9 so that shouldn't be the issue for me that anime is way more trippy and confusing at times than BoogiePop. So for those that say you just don't understand it or don't like a non coherent plot again Baccano was a 9 for me.

My issue is that there are way too many characters in the first arc which leads to very few of them being developed in any significant way, very little payoff nor good usage of the non linear format. It does have positives especially in the directing and music but I have heard that the LN has been butchered in this adaption and I believe it because it feels like they are just covering the major plot points rather than take the time to develop them and the characters it feels really disjointed.

I feel like this show does have a lot of potential and usually I rarely like to drop anime but I am starting to but honestly I think I need to do more of that and give myself more time to other shows.

If I hear the character development starts to pick up in the later arcs and ties together an focus more I might pick it up again but right now its pretty disappointing. No offense to those that do like and hey you had the opposite opinion on Baccano so this is just the case where I personally didn't feel attached to it.

AhmedMudkip said:
I have been watching the series, but to be honest it hasn't been that appealing.
Is it really worth watching?

Daniel_Naumov said:
First of all you should ask yourself - "what am I looking for in the animation? Is it the ideas? The stories? The moving pictures itself?". Knowing what you are expecting and what you are getting will provide you with a more clear answer, whether there is a value for you to keep viewing a series or not. Asking other people will not solve your own perception of art.

FatherAnime said:
It's just a bad adaptation plain and simple. I've introduced the novels to several friends after seeing a couple episodes of this adaptation (they hated this anime) and they were all blown away by how fantastic the novels are. The anime is one of the worst things I've ever seen animated, but the novels are a solid 10/10, I recommend you drop this anime and read the novels.

Vizvezdenec said:

And what if person doesn't have authism and doesn't like to read novels?

FatherAnime said:
Oh, this season's anime is awful. It's easily one of the worst adaptations I've ever seen of a novel. Don't watch the anime, just read the novels. The anime captures some of the story through huge meaningless exposition dumps with no purpose whatsoever. They've managed to remove all forms of character development from the novels and ruin or choose not to adapt key plot points. They've reduced each character from the novels into some seemingly generic mystery character for the sole reason of satisfying the "eerie" storyline which entertains some viewers. They removed all reason for the viewer's to care for the characters, or continue being interested in what they have to offer. They've butchered most of the dialogue and story from the novels, going as far as cutting out entire character arcs which are critical to the story. They attempt to be philosophical on some level through Boogiepop's character, and dive into deep subjects with no explanation and meaning behind why Boogiepop says those things, or why they're a critical piece of the story. They seem to include anything philosophical because they want to appear smart. The animation is atrocious, everything feels disjointed and stiff. The character designs are flat and ugly. There's very little movement, and a lot of the backgrounds lack depth. There's clear production issues behind this adaptation which are very visible to the viewer. And they've used the novel's non-linear storytelling as a way to present itself as an interesting mystery that has nothing more to offer than it's own confusion. What I mean by that is they've removed so much material, depth behind the character's relationships, conversations, interactions, history, etc.. from within the story that what's left is hard to understand and meaningless. The sound design is good, but they constantly cut between different scenes with different background songs which is just annoying. They don't explain why certain events happen in the story and how those events shape and connect between different characters. Everything happens for no reason and it's all meaningless. There's nothing redeemable about this adaptation in my mind as a novel reader and I'm just overall extremely disappointed.

Alex82829290 said:
Re-watch it if it still not that appealing then this show or this genre isn't for you. It's like a big puzzle and the timeline isn't linear and it doesn't tell you things clear in your face like Naruto does. But if you watched from ep 4 onwards then idk. It's really good and have a lot of depth on to it unlike your typical show, but it isn't for everyone

Daniel_Naumov said:

Obviously, not everyone is enjoying this series. In this particular thread we meet an individual who is not only denouncing the series based on personal viewpoint (=subjectivity), but actually is asking for the insight of others. He does not vehemently deny the possibility that there might be redeeming points/worthy aspekts to this series, which is more than 98% other such threads do. The best the "people who are enjoying it" could do is actually provide reasons of why they find the series enjoyable/why is it a worthy series. Denouncing the denouncer is a, well, kindergarten.

LockHowl said:


Lol what? Genuinely scratching my head. I had to shovel through your verbose post.

He/she asks if the series is *worth watching*.

He/she has watched the handful of episodes for themselves and determined that they want to drop it.

If the episodes don't hit home with a viewer, do we have to explain to him why it's enjoyable?

I'm not about to tell him what to enjoy and why. That's for the individual to decide. The fact that you're trying to *debate* this is just so baffling. You seem to grasp opinions but not why people like things for different reasons. That's something the rest of us learned in so called Kindergarten.

Daniel_Naumov said:

I am not a reader and I can see that this is a second rate production animation. But is it the adaptation fault? As far as I know they ADAPT the series, not UPGRADE it. So if the material is extremely good, the adaptation will end being good unless something like Tokyo Ghoul happens. For me this is a standalone series which I myself find enjoyable. I can see the ideas and am expecting a message. There is no point in my suddenly stopping viewing the series and going for the literature instead. This piece of art is just... a step up. However you try to twist it.

Roy_Cybertron said:
it's the one that started the huge LN craze.

Rei366 said:

I always thought Slayers (a prepublished serial novel), right?) was the first big hit. It dates from the late 80s /early 90s.

evoniee said:
FUCK
made me waste 9 eps to drop this shit