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Mar 19, 2017 3:38 PM
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I get this was a very sad episode
, but that shouldn't be enough to to drop the rating, in fact it should go up because that means


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Mar 19, 2017 3:53 PM
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It depends on the person some people hate series where characters they like die and will lower their scores because they weren't happy and ect.
Mar 19, 2017 3:58 PM
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It clearly showed that no one is safe ever since Biscuit died from the first season, and it has been going down ever since Lafter suddenly died (which also showed even more that no one is safe). This isn't really anything new.
Mar 19, 2017 4:01 PM
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Well, i see that some people are tired that the good guys get killed while people like Iok keeps cheating death non-stop. Not gonna lie, that teasing is a little bit annoying, not enough to lower my score but damn.
Mar 19, 2017 4:12 PM
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I was crying like a babe when Biscuit died but that didn't stop me to keep watching until the end, as for Iok he will die but it will most like be the next ep or the last.
Mar 19, 2017 5:31 PM
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The series did kind of dip in quality than what people expected from the finale, I am pretty dissapointed with the direction in some places though the new episode kind of quelled some concern but not all with what it was going for.

Frankly i think theres a bit of a missed opportunity with the current events, it'd of worked better if it had more episode to flesh out rather than just be the grand finale, i get that this is likley going for a full casualties ending to emphasis the series theme of consequences for rushing into things but I just feel like there was ample opportunity to flesh this out more than what we are getting. That is preventing me from giving the series a 9 like i had hoped.

Also mcgillis is a bit dissapointing too, while predictable it would of been better to just have made him betray tekkadan and be the final fight than to kind of make him job in the final episode, its very likley he will just die next episode too,

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Mar 19, 2017 5:57 PM
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Maybe they forgot this was gundam and mass murder happens all the time. Nobody is safe, RIP Orga
Mar 19, 2017 6:01 PM
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Consumed said:
Maybe they forgot this was gundam and mass murder happens all the time. Nobody is safe, RIP Orga

Yeah, when this happened my reaction was, "Oh shi- ...oh right, Gundam."
Mar 19, 2017 9:48 PM
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It's not the fact that Orga died, many predicted it, after all, it's the way he died, pointless and for the sake of Mika's character development when Mika's been the same for 2 whole seasons and it's only 2 eps left. It's shock value for the sake of shock value, and it's just not a good writing. Worse yet, it's not happening just with Orga. Mika went ooc at the plot demand taking shit from Julietta and not even trying to finish her off even though it's his iron clad rule to make sure his opponents are dead, McGillis losing all of his season 1 character along with all of his brains apparently, Kudelia being farthest thing away from the eponymous Maide of Revolution or even from her own season 1 character, Atra being reduced to Mika's semen bag and nothing else... the list is long.
ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。
Mar 20, 2017 12:51 AM

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I love this series so much, and i'll give score 10/10. Maybe many people forget that, this series is a drama like the other of serial gundam. I think the death of Orga bring the story to the epic ending. The drama in this series is so great!
Mar 20, 2017 1:50 PM
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people mad because all the protagonist are going to die

I really hope people aren't expecting a happy end at this point

It will be violent brutal and depressing
Mar 20, 2017 1:53 PM
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CG said:
It's not the fact that Orga died, many predicted it, after all, it's the way he died, pointless and for the sake of Mika's character development when Mika's been the same for 2 whole seasons and it's only 2 eps left. It's shock value for the sake of shock value, and it's just not a good writing. Worse yet, it's not happening just with Orga. Mika went ooc at the plot demand taking shit from Julietta and not even trying to finish her off even though it's his iron clad rule to make sure his opponents are dead, McGillis losing all of his season 1 character along with all of his brains apparently, Kudelia being farthest thing away from the eponymous Maide of Revolution or even from her own season 1 character, Atra being reduced to Mika's semen bag and nothing else... the list is long.


That's not true at all
This is the death destined for orga
What has his mindset been since the 2nd half of S1?
"Take the shortest route possible"
He took risks that he did not have to
He himself said he had no direction for tekkadan, he lied to everyone and felt like shit because of it.
This death was handled so well for this particular character that I will give it a higher score just because of this.
He died how he should have
Love orga but these are the consequences
Mar 20, 2017 3:55 PM
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So tiring seeing some internet kids care over a portal rating. All the value of the series goes past them... At least, many of them.
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Mar 20, 2017 7:09 PM
The Destroyer.

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It has gone downhill. Season 1 was basic, yet decent and I did enjoy it but like most Gundam series, season 2 is worse.

The females here are even less significant than 00, they just serve the purpose of harem and romance. Take Kudelia for instance, I expected to see an actual leader, she has been known as the 'Maiden of Revolution'... And what she thinks? If she should have Mikazuki's kid and take care of Atra's kid. The whole kid dialogue is cringy, unless it is metaphorical, (even Wing's lines are 10x better than that-- mind you, Heero) and the death after death is just an **pull for tears. Not to mention majority of season 2 has been boring, so they had to continue with drama by killing characters.
BronyaSilverwingMar 20, 2017 7:14 PM
Mar 22, 2017 8:08 AM

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Suppose I even agreed with you about Orga. But what about almost every other important character, the nerfs, the idiot balls they're taking, the sheer ridiculousness of it all? The writing has gone bad so much it's almost painful to watch. Like the poster above noted, even Wing and Heero were less cringeworthy, and even 00 treated its female characters better, and that's saying something. It looks like IBO is just killing off its characters because it doesn't know what else to do with them. This Gundam had the potential to be very good, yet it's going downhill so fast that friggin G-Reco will probably be the better show by the end of it.
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Mar 22, 2017 2:35 PM
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CG said:
Suppose I even agreed with you about Orga. But what about almost every other important character, the nerfs, the idiot balls they're taking, the sheer ridiculousness of it all? The writing has gone bad so much it's almost painful to watch. Like the poster above noted, even Wing and Heero were less cringeworthy, and even 00 treated its female characters better, and that's saying something. It looks like IBO is just killing off its characters because it doesn't know what else to do with them. This Gundam had the potential to be very good, yet it's going downhill so fast that friggin G-Reco will probably be the better show by the end of it.


Again I'll disagree
They are indeed killing the cast but that should be expected.
This isn't following the typical gundam structure where the good guys win and the bad guys lose. If anything this reminds me of the movie scarface where tony montana rises in power only to get killed in the end when he messes with the wrong people. We watched tony montanas journey and watched it end.
That is what IBO will be imo
Mar 23, 2017 5:31 AM

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The issue with the writing is that most of the cast is severally underwritten and underutilized, and with the main "villains" tier of plot armor their deaths look like cheap, manipulative emotional punches more than anything.

Shino for example had been largely irrelevant all season, suddenly he got screen-time and development in episode 20-21 (and half of that development was done post mortem), after that he faded out of existence, not even a passing mention from anyone despite being one of the most connected Tekkadan's members. Eugene barely had a presence all season, Akihiro fared a little better as far screentime goes, but not much.

The season had better pacing and more action than S1, they removed Kudelia, but on other hand most characters just ran around like headless chickens all season waiting to get killed and characters' relationships largely disappeared.

Mar 23, 2017 6:52 AM

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I really loved the first season and I'm enjoying this season as well but I've to admit that some episodes were quite underwhelming and I feel that Mikazuki's character has changed. Orga's death was kind of expected, IMO, but maybe not that way. However, his death won't be a reason for me lowering the score. I did like Orga and I'm sad that he's gone but sadly I didn't feel all that sad at the death scene. The most memorable and touching deaths for me in this series are Biscuit, Naze and Amida's.

Another disappointing thing is how Kudelia has been handled this season. I was satisfied when she started to realize that she wants to protect Tekkadan as a whole and that she regards them as family and not just Mikazuki but then we see that she's still vulnerable when it comes to him and it seems that she still can't get over him. So instead of moving on with her original plan, she opts to play house with Mikazuki and Atra. Kudelia isn't really my type of character but it's a shame that she was reduced to being one of Mikazuki's women. I thought she would be more proud but oh well.

So yeah, the second season is a bit underwhelming compared to the first, which isn't really a surprise since most mecha anime are this way.
Mar 26, 2017 2:10 AM

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This show has basically turned into everyone dies: the anime.
Mar 26, 2017 3:23 AM

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Not sure why you even consider this is a very good series, at most max 8/10. If you have watched all the other gundam series, you know Orphans is just above average. I mean seriously, the story is just so so and members rate it high mostly because of Mika's opness.
Mar 26, 2017 3:36 AM
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Because the plot is shit
Mar 26, 2017 4:17 AM

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I already know the characters are going to die. It just got really boring for me.
Mar 26, 2017 4:21 AM

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if Iok survives this bullshit i dont know what im gonna do!
Mar 26, 2017 5:12 AM

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Homura_ said:
It has gone downhill. Season 1 was basic, yet decent and I did enjoy it but like most Gundam series, season 2 is worse.

The females here are even less significant than 00, they just serve the purpose of harem and romance. Take Kudelia for instance, I expected to see an actual leader, she has been known as the 'Maiden of Revolution'... And what she thinks? If she should have Mikazuki's kid and take care of Atra's kid. The whole kid dialogue is cringy, unless it is metaphorical, (even Wing's lines are 10x better than that-- mind you, Heero) and the death after death is just an **pull for tears. Not to mention majority of season 2 has been boring, so they had to continue with drama by killing characters.


I'd agree with you. At least Gundam 00, SEED, and Aldnoah.Zero is better IMO.
Mar 26, 2017 5:14 AM
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lord23 said:
I get this was a very sad episode Orga was the man, but that shouldn't be enough to to drop the rating, in fact it should go up because that means no one is safe and anyone can die in battle.
that's just it, people are mad the main characters are finally starting to pay the price for their recklessness
Mar 26, 2017 5:44 AM
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Definitely my favorite gundam series personally.
Mar 26, 2017 5:59 AM

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It's because this show turned from THE premier action series to "Tekkadan's Litty Pity Party". I'm aware Gundam is famous for being a kill-all series... but the way this show is doing it, it's just emotional manipulation.

It comes off as so forced when the entirety of S1 and the first half of S2 was showing that IBO was "different" from your typical Gundam show - when it showed that the heroes were clever pragmatists and such. This was even further reinforced with S1's final battle where Mika shrugs off Ein's classic villain madman speech.

It's not that Orga's death alone caused the dip in the ratings - it's the breaking point when watchers decided this shit was enough especially since everyone who we even remotely cared about is dead and it was all so Mika could get off his ass. So why even follow the adventures of those dudes we don't give a damn about?

One of my highly rated Gundams - Zeta - was also a kill-em-all series but I didn't churn my dinner over their quality of death. So something is obviously awry here.

It's a Shaggy Dog Story of the highest order... and I regard those kinda stories in drama form the worst.
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Mar 26, 2017 7:31 AM

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>2010+7
>giving shit about mal rating

Dasuttebayo said:
Homura_ said:
It has gone downhill. Season 1 was basic, yet decent and I did enjoy it but like most Gundam series, season 2 is worse.

The females here are even less significant than 00, they just serve the purpose of harem and romance. Take Kudelia for instance, I expected to see an actual leader, she has been known as the 'Maiden of Revolution'... And what she thinks? If she should have Mikazuki's kid and take care of Atra's kid. The whole kid dialogue is cringy, unless it is metaphorical, (even Wing's lines are 10x better than that-- mind you, Heero) and the death after death is just an **pull for tears. Not to mention majority of season 2 has been boring, so they had to continue with drama by killing characters.


I'd agree with you. At least Gundam 00, SEED, and Aldnoah.Zero is better IMO.

SEED and A/zzz better? You are joking right?
Mar 26, 2017 7:33 AM

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the direction of the final arc is extremely disappointing and badly executed.
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Mar 26, 2017 8:05 AM

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bastek66 said:
>2010+7
>giving shit about mal rating

Dasuttebayo said:


I'd agree with you. At least Gundam 00, SEED, and Aldnoah.Zero is better IMO.

SEED and A/zzz better? You are joking right?


LMFAO so what? U jelly? IDGAF about your shit lol.

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the direction of the final arc is extremely disappointing and badly executed.


100% Agree
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Mar 26, 2017 10:06 AM
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I do understand that it's a different turn on a gundam. It was thrilling at the beginning. But...

1) It's hard to get the message. It's not a "futility of war" or "everybody should get to understand each other". Instead of intended "never stop" or something the mood is more of "courage and stupidity" and "resistance is futile".
2) I hardly understand motivations of most of the cast. Heck, one last episode left and we still have no idea of how Mikazuki and Orga got together.
3) It's extremely depressing. And what's more - it's realistically depressing. "Corrupt power will win anyway", "no heroism or strength will help you against media control, sheer numbers and power. What is this? Am I watching anime to be slammed with harsh reality?
4) Death flags are so obvious that it's sickening. It's not THAT hard to make deaths more suprising and touching.
5) Mikazuki does not evolve
6) Cringly love triangle
7) Needs more lazers and weapons of mass destruction
Mar 26, 2017 11:47 AM
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I don't mind that IBO is turning out to be a kill 'em all series. I love kill 'em all series, but this reminds me of a poor attempt of trying to make a Tomino kill 'em all mecha/Gundam series without the Tomino flare. A few of the death scenes from this season mirrors or made me think of death scenes from series that Tomino worked on. Especially Naze's passing scene with Amida's spirit embracing him reminded me of certain death scene in the second Ideon movie.

I do believe IBO will have an ending that either very few survive and the ones that do live are going to have physical/mental issues after it's all over (like Z Gundam's ending) or that only one member of the main cast will live (like Dunbine's ending). I really do not think it will go all out Ideon style for the last episode, unless the universe magically explodes in the last few minutes of the series.
Mar 26, 2017 12:06 PM

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Because honesly, we're at the end and this all seemes pointless. Which might be exctly what Okada wanted, but this is not what I wanted from a Gundam. I want my Gundam shows to end at least somewhat triumphantly, or at least have something meaningfull happen. IBO 2nd season has been.... meaningless.
Mar 26, 2017 12:24 PM
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This final arch has put it above and beyond so many gundam series it's not even funny

People just made because the protagonists are going to lose

episode 24 in particular was a damn 5/5

People have different tastes tho
Mar 26, 2017 12:52 PM

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Im actually surprised the score is still this high. If this seasons gets a higher rating then the first I will finally give up my hope with MAl ratings.

So far every death in season 2 was pointless. Characters appear and disappear because ..
MC has still not a single percent of character developement.

Everyone dying is just not what I want from a Gundam with abused kids. Like. Why am I even watching this? Not even the fights are good anymore.
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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
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Mar 26, 2017 2:30 PM

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iok is the only anime character i want to die more then griffth. His plot armor and that of the other villains is ruinning the show for me. if he does not die and all of tekkaden dies at the end of the series I will feel like I wasted my time. this show is on a tightrope for my rating I want to know that watching these forty episodes has some meaning to it.

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