Top wo Nerae! 2 Episode 6 Discussion

skudoops said:
This is good, nothing great though, especially compared to the original. I felt the theme of the buster shows was lost because of how ridiculous the action sequences were, not to mention, the character development wasn't AS good this time around. The excessive fanservice also got to me a bit.

eldest said:


not to mention that none of the mech designs were anywhere near the level of the gunbuster mech, and the only thing that made this ending good was that it was literally the ending for gunbuster from a different angle.

as i said before, everything this tried but didnt quite do right, ttgl took and perfected

skudoops said:

Yeah, I noticed they also used the voice of the Angels from EVA rebuilds here to. But you are right, this really seems like a prototype of TTGL but TTGL trumps it in every aspect.

I felt gunbuster despite being super robot as well, had a much more grounded approach to. TOPLESS and warping mechs seemed a bit much, but what also confused me was why they used earth and not another planet?

I also feel like replacing the power supplies of the mechs with children was quite a stretch, and a forced way to remove the option of creating another black hole like back then. Now why would humanity even throw away such knowledge? Who knows.

The purpose of the automated defense line also confused me. What exactly was it for? Did humanity give up on expanding outside of its solar system or was it merely a wall to fall back to anytime they needed? Either way I can't see such a large defense grid being ignored to the point where no one knows about it.

To me, I felt there's way too many questions about why things are the way they are in the future. Not to mention the sense of loss was gone from the first gunbuster. I felt that the aging of the characters and lack of for Noriko was one of the strongest points in the original. It truly made you feel for her. The ending although it was supposed to be happy, was a tragic one for me. Noriko came back to Earth but didn't have anything to actually return to. All her friends but amuno (who was 15 or so years older than her) were long gone and all those who she served with/under were also no longer there.

DawnJ said:
Warp tech was sealed and auto-defense system was introduced after Top wo nerae 1 timeline. Humanity was tired of war after endless war with space monsters and with Sirius Alliance, so they gave up pioneering extra-solar space.

But you know, you don't really need to care those settings, it's just a rite-of-passage story with SF action.

eldest said:


agreed, diebuster just got a bit too silly at times. i wnet in completely unspoiled and it looked great for the first few minutes. then we got to the part where nono is working in a bar, gets semi molested by a robot..thing and then lacl pulls a sticker off her head and out pops a mech hand. it was just stupid, not in a ttgl 'holy shot thats fucking awesome' way either.

and gunbuster felt so much more grounded, it kept a decent scifi aspect, worked time dilation into the plot (and all its effects and implications) beautifully, and the characters were all great.

and when gunbuster finally shows up (such an iconic scene) and wrecks shit, you really feel the impact. then once they use buster unit 3 you realize that its the end of the line if this doesnt work, setting up for one of the best scenes ive ever seen in a mech show (gunbuster descending into the core and using its own degeneracy reactor as a catalyst to set off the chain reaction for a black hole)

whereas diebuster on the other hand just felt like asspulls.
oh, this giddy teen girl is actually a buster unit capable of slicing a moon in 2.
dix neuf can now use planets like goku uses a spirit bomb.
oh, throwing a planet at the space monster didnt work. heres a great idea, lets abandon earth and use that as something to throw at it again
oh. nono is now a planet sized mech.
now shes become a transcendent pair of hands that can contain a splittig black hole.

i have to give it points for trying, but none of the concepts really worked for the type of show it was, and it was too short of a series to build on anything that potentially could have worked (hence why ttgl with its 27 episodes and over the top setting to boot worked so much better)

and not to mention the soundtrack, gunbusters ending soundtrack, especially as they reach earth and realize that not only is everyone they knew dead, their children's children's children x500 are all also dead, and the life and era they lived in is quite literally past ancient history, then the guitar riff as the earth lights up with the welcome back message. powerful stuff. diebuster didnt have any of that.

although, one thing i did prefer in diebusters favor was the space monster sound and design, that part was done very well.

Cabron said:
I found this on this video, if anyone is curious about the scientific lessons, it's not subbed though:

Cabron said:
This video*, Typo.

Houndthree said:

what?

Cabron said:
Read my previous post brah, I meant to say "I found this video".

Houndthree said:


Stone Cold bro, Stone Cold.

Ga_Laxy said:
Personally, I didn't like how over the top Diebuster got at times. The science-fiction and breaking physics stuff was more toned down in Gunbuster and much more believable.